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Is it time for sock puppets to go?


Yes
  25% (15)
No
  15% (9)
It should be kept within reason
  34% (20)
No opinion/don't care
  24% (14)
Other - please explain
  0% (0)


Total Votes : 58
(last vote on : 9/15/2011 7:15:29 PM)
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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 2:24:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

I find the concept of wisdom as a measurable trait strange. How do we even define that to begin quantifying?


Every mental ability, very much including 'intelligence' (despite what Eysenck's halfwit followers love to believe), I think is difficult to quantify. The best things about human qualities usually are.

I heard it put this way, once: Wisdom is knowledge blended with love.

Ok, a bit retch-inducing, but I think it's on the way to a decent definition.

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 2:25:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Probably true, but I think wisdom is especially difficult. 

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 2:52:06 PM   
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Total votes - 31

Yes - 10

No - 3

Kept within reason - 12

No opinion/don't care - 6


It was asked how does a person know that one person isn't another person's sock puppet.  Granted, person X might only be the other person on this site and *everybody* else is My personal sock puppet.  That's pretty outrageous.  I can promise you that I'm not that great of a Master Mind.  (Wouldn't it be cool though?)  The reality is that a number of folks from the forums have met other people from the forums.  Even if they haven't met each other directly, the circle of folks who have met the same person in common.  Hib is a good example.  I've never met her face to face.  However, we do know people who have met us both.  Yes, you could potentially go on forever about "how do you know that person is real" but eventually, it gets kind of ridiculous.  (Especially when some of us have pics with those "other" posters who say that they have met us.)


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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 2:53:26 PM   
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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 3:12:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't mind the sock puppets, but sometimes I wish we could get rid of the owner of the hands that are up their asses......

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 3:18:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

quote:


I can tell you that Ronne, Winnie, Greeds, and LadyP are ALL different people!


But how do we know that you aren't just a sockpuppet of one of them? See, that's why I don't care at all.

I know who 3 of the people on these boards are, one of them shares this account with me, and we sleep with the other two every night. Other than that you are all just random people on the net posting under assumed names. What makes one fake name more fake than another?



That's pretty much the way I tackle CM. I've been here for years and years and still have only interacted on the otherside with less than a handful, once or twice. I've come to know how people post and their *CM persona's*  but that's basically all it is.

I've never struck up any friendship, I've never chatted or got to know anyone here beyond the forum.

I enjoy this forum for a few reason and sock puppets have never diminished that.

I really don't have enough invested in who's saying what.

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 3:28:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess I don't REALLY care all that much, especially with the obvious joke ones like ILustAfterPeon and Arswine (I didn't know RaptorJesus was somebody's sockpuppet, I've only seen a few posts by him). I realize that there's no real way for me to know if the people on here really are who and what they say they are, but I still don't like somebody pretending to be a 2nd person.

I know that almost all the nicknames on here are pseudonyms, but there are specific people attached to those names in my mind, and I'd be kind of annoyed to learn that two or more of them were actually the same person and I'd been mislead all along. It wouldn't be a huge thing, but it would be an annoyance.

As far as the previously unknown brand new first time posters who suddenly appear to confirm that GoddessBadAttitude is indeed very real and so on, well those are actually pretty darn funny.

P.S. I didn't vote because I can't. Cheri already did, so I'm stuck with her vote, but I would have voted "within reason".

P.P.S. RE: Wisdom. A wise person is one who gives you advice you will take.


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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 3:58:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather
Pam could be Artie's sock...


Damn, i thought i was being so slick about it.

pam

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 7:28:18 PM   
LinnaeaBorealis


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Status: offline 		I often have great difficulty in social situations, especially when I don't know the people. Sometimes even when I do know the people. So when I realized that I was going to Florida to meet probably 100 total strangers a couple of years ago, I went into panic mode. The way that I convinced myself to go was to think of all of these people as just pixels on a screen. I was sort of surprised that real people met me at the airport. LOL

My point is that I really don't care about sock puppets. Like Heather, I just see the ideas. And pixels.

FYI, anybody can see the results of any poll without voting by clicking those words at the bottom of the list & the submit button.

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 7:36:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I think some of the sock puppets have been hilarious.  Odious Toad comes to mind.  There was one about Greedy's Cat when Sci Fi was visiting Greedy (probably one of the funniest threads EVER.)  Arpig has an amusing sock puppet, that's he's upfront about.  Sometimes, socks are fun.  Besides, I'd been wondering for years where my socks go - I wish whoever took my striped knee high sock with the toes would return it though. 

On the other hand, it is pretty ridiculous when someone makes a sock puppet just to support themselves, or hide behind their assinocity.  Who the hell really needs to do that?  It is pretty pathetic really.  For those who are compelled to do weird stuff like that, I don't think there's much hope in curtailing it.  They just get more creative in their assinocity.

As for multiple profiles.  I think limiting the number of profiles a person can create would cause more problems than it corrected.  What would be a reasonable number?  I have more than one profile, but I only post on the forums under this one.  I've thought about bringing out my other profile just to let my more caustic side some freedom, but really couldn't be bothered.  The people I know personally in life- friends, munch and party acquaintances, ex Dominants, etc., know me under this profile, I have a certain accountability under it.  I think a little accountability keeps a person honest.

WinD



Can you find the Greedy's cat one? I'd love to read it again. (purrr)

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 8:03:33 PM   
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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 8:08:31 PM   
xxblushesxx


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Oooh, Chrissy's Court! Good times.


*lol* I didn't re-open that thread or the this is elsewhere thread because so many people are saying after three months of no activity they should be closed.

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 8:19:53 PM   
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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 9:46:38 PM   
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I voted for "within reason", there are some funny ones that are evident and bring some levity to the boards at times.  But to create one to back up your point or to bother other people, be rude and nasty, ehhhh, not so much.  The originals are bad enough without creating other user names to annoy and fill a thread with crap.


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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 10:04:06 PM   
NuevaVida


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ORIGINAL: SuzeCheri

I know that almost all the nicknames on here are pseudonyms, but there are specific people attached to those names in my mind, and I'd be kind of annoyed to learn that two or more of them were actually the same person and I'd been mislead all along. It wouldn't be a huge thing, but it would be an annoyance.



I think along the same lines.  Those I haven't met in person, I still attach a person to their names here, and if two people with whom I've conversed regularly were later discovered to be the same person, I would feel misled.

While I've never done it, I do understand someone wanting to post a vulnerable/personal question and being afraid to, or not wanting others to know that much about them, so creating a sock puppet to use for that particular question.  Creating multiple sock puppets to come in and create an illusion of support for someone, or to berate someone, etc., is not cool.

And I agree with peon, about unkindness and wisdom.  It's not something I can wrap my brain around.  Then again, wisdom is subjective, and we're all limited in ours - it's just to what degree and in what areas that make a difference, I suppose, and that all depends on a person's perspective about what is wise and what is foolish.


ETA: I voted "within reason"


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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 10:18:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I voted no. I'm not seeing what it will solve and why it is a bad thing. Too many reasons to list for doing it. And why it matters.

And as far as people's "mental capacity", I feel about the same. It's also subjective. What if they do say stupid things and flame a few people?

If these forums on here had people and postings only from the ones that believe themselves intellectually superior, well, it would be a real yawner. Even stupid people and flamers make some sound and legit postings at times. And to ignore those posting based soley on who posted the thread or who posted in it just seems small minded to me.

Seems more like a contribution to the "problem" than a solution.

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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/13/2011 11:33:33 PM   
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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/14/2011 1:01:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		  I voted yes for a number of reasons.

"Within reason" is impossible to administer as the definition itself is entirely subjective.  Secondly, it suggests that a modicum of deception is okay.  Which implies that there's nothing wrong with deception - it's just a matter of quantity being the problem.  A position I find completely lacking in any consistency whatsoever.

As for why - fundamentally, it's about accountability.  Online identities require time to build credibility - witness the lynching newbies get whenever they wander into these boards and start threads.  Sock puppets allow people to construct identities which allow them to evade accountability for their actions in this place.

It's no coincidence, that the people with the most sock-puppets are those with the least accountability and internal strength.  I am unsurprised.




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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/14/2011 1:44:29 AM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		To Lin, I appreciate the tip.  Thank you.

Awareness, I owe you your due.  I think that might have been the most civil answer that you have ever given in response to a question that I have posed and it is certainly appreciated.  (Please take that as the compliment in which it was intended.)  I appreciate you input.

As I said earlier, this really was just a curiosity that occurred to Me.  I agree with all of those who have said there is no way to implement it.  (At least to My knowledge.)  I just wanted to know how folks felt about it.

What did just occur to Me was that none of the folks who said no were basing that answer on the business aspect of CM.  On the surface, more profiles implies higher traffic, which yields greater potential in advertising revenue.  I found that interesting.


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RE: Is it time for sock puppets to go? - 9/14/2011 1:52:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Im hardly one to talk about "sock puppet" nics. I have only this account here, but when yahoo was in its hayday, I had around 150 nics.... lol... most were known... a rare few were not. They were all for fun and none used to harass anyone.

Having said that, the puppets that bug me the most are those used to get around moderation. Its happening more and more. Is there a solution? Doubtful. The mods here have their hands full with keeping the boards in line. Adding the task of determining which nic belongs too whom is a bit much to ask of someone who volunteers their time.

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