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Awareness -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/16/2011 7:56:54 PM)

  Christ, now the sluts are getting picky?  When did this happen?






MagiksSlave -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/16/2011 8:48:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

A friend and I were chatting about the many men who will believe the porn fantasies over their own RL experiences.  There's this fantasy door through which we pass and suddenly all the women are horny bitches who will do anything for a man.  Suspension of reality.  I wonder what happens to the men who get disillusioned.  Do they get a vanilla wife and wank off in secret?  Do they stay single?

Anyone know?



Padded rooms [:)]




submitting4U -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/17/2011 10:00:23 AM)

There is a harsh reality to D/s relationships, they are inherently unhealthy. Couples or partners are part of greater communities, D/s dyads are discouraged and there is social pressure on those couples. You can hide BDSM behind bedroom doors but D/s relationships raise eyebrows. Who would want their children in these archaic power exchanges. So, men and women seek out their kink on the sly ... and to realize an actual D/s relationship, the couple must isolate from extended family or local community. Many desire go underground and result in autoerotic fantasy ... one man's opinion




myotherself -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/17/2011 10:08:06 AM)

Bless yer heart [8|]




Syrox -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/17/2011 10:41:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

  Christ, now the sluts are getting picky?  When did this happen?






Oh god!!! Picky Sluts!! Now we're ALL DOOMED!! Might as well start a home for wayward cats right now then eh?




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/17/2011 10:54:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Awareness

  Christ, now the sluts are getting picky?  When did this happen?





It happened last week when we unionized. Now we know we have options.




sexyred1 -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/18/2011 11:17:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: roscho

I am in the middle chapters of a person in this sort of place.  I knew I was sexually submissive from as soon as I discovered sexuality.  As I've matured, I realize even some of my play as a young child - say 7 or 8 years old - was based in D/s undertones.

So, as I got older and tried to find dominant partners, I had zero success.  So I waited until I was in my late 20's to really settle down.  I married a woman who had to be dominant.  She had professional and recreational traits that to me seemed to mean she might be dominant or at least inclined towards growing that way.

I was sadly mistaken.  I tried for 10 years - she wouldn't have it - not even in the slightest.  She wouldn't even study it from educational view to see if she could get a better understanding of what I was going through.  It was simply a taboo that she wasn't willing to even consider.

I had a taboo of divorce - the inner shame - so I stayed married another 6 years until I felt I wouldn't be doing harm to our daughter's view of the world.  Time will tell on that one I guess.

With my taboo of divorce, I also couldn't rationalize being unfaithful. 

So that leaves me as a 45 year old guy who has had a fantasy world for 30 years.  I realize I am a total newb at something that I've thought about almost daily for 3 decades.  Maybe I will be that disillusioned guy.  I worry I'll find a person I feel comfortable with, and wammo - this isn't anything like what I had created in my head.

I guess it probably comes down to finding a partner that you mesh with on several levels - There is a wide spectrum in the culture, and entering into an intimate relationship with a partner who you don't mesh well with will lead to failure.  Then again, that is true in vanilla too.  Like any successful endeavor, communication is key - there will often be disillusionment when there is a lack of open and honest communication.  I think I rambled as I typed this out and thought into things a little more deeply. My apologies.



Here is a perfect example. Someone entered into a relationship projecting and hoping that the vanilla attributes she displayed meant she was sexually dominant. And she was not, so you stayed in an unfulfilling relationship for whatever reasons.

This happens to a lot of people. They fail at communication, fail at being honest about who and what they are, desire, are passionate about. They are so scared that they will turn off their prospective partner, that they simply neglect to be honest about this vital part of themselves and instead of asking point blank if someone would be interested in something, they project based on social behaviors.

All this is based in fear instead of honesty and openess.

What happens to the disillusioned out there is that you change the way you go about presenting yourself and the way you interpret others.

People rarely are as you have imagined them in your head. If you truly care about someone and yourself, you make create your own fantasies with someone, instead of trying to have them star in the ones you have held for so long on your own.

You can remain disillusioned or learn from your mistakes.




MissToYouRedux -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/18/2011 11:36:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: roscho

I worry I'll find a person I feel comfortable with, and wammo - this isn't anything like what I had created in my head.



A fair concern. I can't imagine anything that involves another human being ever goes *exactly* the way one envisions in one's head. That's why all those deliciously detailed fantasies need to be categorized as such - fantasies, and unexplored "interests" remain as interests and not put into the "lives for" category until experienced.

Realistic lowered expectations increases the odds of exceeding expectations, and should lessen the legions of "disillusioned". [;)]

** edited to add: Omg, I didn't intend to copy sexyred1. lol Great minds and all that.




MagiksSlave -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/18/2011 12:01:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

  Christ, now the sluts are getting picky?  When did this happen?





It happened last week when we unionized. Now we know we have options.

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This made me laugh so hard I woke the dog, who gave me a very dirty look.




MagiksSlave -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/18/2011 12:25:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I wonder what happens to the men who get disillusioned.  Do they get a vanilla wife and wank off in secret?  Do they stay single?

Anyone know?



They post on CollarMe under the name "Awareness".  [:D]



Oh no you didn't! [sm=LMAO.gif]




lizi -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/18/2011 12:52:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sexyred1


Here is a perfect example. Someone entered into a relationship projecting and hoping that the vanilla attributes she displayed meant she was sexually dominant. And she was not, so you stayed in an unfulfilling relationship for whatever reasons.

This happens to a lot of people. They fail at communication, fail at being honest about who and what they are, desire, are passionate about. They are so scared that they will turn off their prospective partner, that they simply neglect to be honest about this vital part of themselves and instead of asking point blank if someone would be interested in something, they project based on social behaviors.

All this is based in fear instead of honesty and openess.

What happens to the disillusioned out there is that you change the way you go about presenting yourself and the way you interpret others.

People rarely are as you have imagined them in your head. If you truly care about someone and yourself, you make create your own fantasies with someone, instead of trying to have them star in the ones you have held for so long on your own.

You can remain disillusioned or learn from your mistakes.



I thought this was a great post and that it really covered much of why this type of thing might happen.




DarkSteven -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/18/2011 1:25:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Christ, now the sluts are getting picky?  When did this happen?



It happened last week when we unionized. Now we know we have options.


I'm here from Doms' Local 4582 and we have some great strikebreaking implements.  Whips, paddles....




zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/18/2011 1:28:59 PM)

Who said we're on strike? We just know we have options. Besides this is harassment and intimidation; you will be hearing from our lawyer shortly.




Awareness -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (9/18/2011 4:54:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth
It happened last week when we unionized. Now we know we have options.
  Women always have options - and yet so many of them are still looking.  What's up with that.




Need4Squeeze -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (10/3/2011 4:39:41 PM)

They get married and remain miserable, like the rest of us... 




JanahX -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (10/3/2011 5:34:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Need4Squeeze

They get married and remain miserable, like the rest of us... 


Speak for yourself ... No ... really... [8|]




Need4Squeeze -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (10/3/2011 6:00:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JanahX


quote:

ORIGINAL: Need4Squeeze

They get married and remain miserable, like the rest of us... 


Speak for yourself ... No ... really... [8|]

Life must be a barrel of laughs with your sense of humor.
I was just making a joke. I'm not married, nor am I disillusioned (although I can feel that way at times).

What serious answer can you give to a question like this?
They commit suicide?
They masturbate, find some hobbies, buy a cat and spend the rest of their days alone and unloved?

Happy now?




heartcream -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (10/3/2011 9:19:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness
  Women always have options - and yet so many of them are still looking.  What's up with that.



Have you looked around what is on offer? That is why. There are some good men here but things need to click on all sorts of levels for it to be a go.

Who are you really? I dont hang around the threads enough to know whose sock you are.




BeautyDebased -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (10/3/2011 11:21:07 PM)

If their smart, they leave the vanilla marriage they were in like I did and actually make it happen though really, who says they are all depressed?

Maybe they are just making do with what they have, it's a tad presumptuous to think otherwise though I'm certain some live rather sad existences, not all would.



(edit, that was in reply to the entire thread)




Kana -> RE: Anyone know what happens to the disillusioned men? (10/4/2011 5:32:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

quote:

ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Christ, now the sluts are getting picky?  When did this happen?



It happened last week when we unionized. Now we know we have options.


I'm here from Doms' Local 4582 and we have some great strikebreaking implements.  Whips, paddles....



Well, they do exist to be struck, not to strike [:)]




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