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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:06:13 PM   
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My slave left me for his transgendered best friend. (The friend didn't realize it at the time...) yeah, I have the breakup story with the most points. It hasn't soured me on bisexual men.



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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:07:54 PM   
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How man of us have known bi guys who tried marriage to a woman they were in love with...and ended up leaving the wife for another man


I've known several...they were all gay and trying to deny it by marrying a woman.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:11:08 PM   
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I still consider that a specious argument--how many HET men leave for another woman? If someone is going to leave, their sexual orientation is irrelevant.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:16:56 PM   
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Hey I'm agreeing with you Miss Hibbie. Further, how many women leave their husbands for another woman? Stating it as something only bi men do is a sign of bigotry PERIOD.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:19:32 PM   
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Yepper! Lots of our "preferences" are based in bigotry/prejudice. I know mine are!

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:28:03 PM   
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I loathe all that stuff. If a woman were to be disloyal to me, it'd snap me in half. So I couldn't be otherwise with her. I live in absolute bloody dread of a woman breaking me like that. I don't think I'd survive it, tbh. Seriously.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:33:32 PM   
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I was absolutely gutted at the time Hugh left me. Understatement, actually, I was betrayed on so many levels. Loyalty is such a vital quality for me, I really had a hard time comprehending what had happened.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:53:49 PM   
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I live in absolute bloody dread of a woman breaking me like that. I don't think I'd survive it, tbh. Seriousl


Just please don't let the fear of getting hurt close you off from the possibilities of love.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 6:57:13 PM   
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Oh sure, say that now, Zephy! Where were you 12 years ago?

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 7:04:27 PM   
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~grins~ crafty bitch.

Seriously I feel for you Miss Hibbie. I've been there and it fucking hurts doesn't it. Still I can't imagine what that did to you. I remember you mentioning Hugh before and how hurt you were...at least I think I do. With my head so stuffed up my memory isn't all that reliable.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 7:06:49 PM   
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OK.

Thank you.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 7:10:09 PM   
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Yeah, it was a Large Trauma. Didn't help with my abandonment issues much! I became closer to my friends as a result, though, and look at my great story!

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 7:39:23 PM   
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I would reject a man as a partner if he were bisexual.  If I were into poly and wanted to be the middle part of an oreo cookie, or if I got off on watching two men have sex with each other, that would be different. 


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I do happen to agree with Des on one thing.  There really are some of us who are either a zero or a six on the Kinsey scale.  I don't think I'd go so far as to say we're bigoted against partners of the same or opposite sex depending on which side of the scale we're on.  I think viewing our own sexuality is a bit different than basing  whether we would want someone as a partner due to theirs.

Oh, and peon, since you'll be strictly gay for a bit, don't forget to take some pics. 


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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 8:02:45 PM   
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I likely would not get involved with or be interested in a man who had been raped. 

I wouldn't see him as less of a person; I'd see him as a victim, which would make it hard for me to submit.  Why?  I don't know.  

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 8:10:08 PM   
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This is one of those threads that I just knew I'd regret reading, but I've been pleasantly surprised... mostly, anyway.  

Please keep in mind that my thoughts in this area are strictly hypothetical in nature because I am in a committed lifetime relationship and have no related history upon which to draw.  Nevertheless, I know myself fairly well and have a decent understanding of human nature.

That being said...

First, with regard to the title question, "Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd been raped?"

No.  Someone being the victim of a violent crime has nothing to do with their qualifications as a dominant in my mind. 

Concerning the scenario laid out in the op, there are several factors that have been brought up by others that come to mind. 

1)  Would I submit to someone who had been in prison?  Probably not.  I only submit to someone with whom I am in an intimate and personal relationship, and it is unlikely that I would be willing to allow that relationship to form with someone with that kind of background.  That is, of course, unless there was a significant amount of time and sufficient history since that time to make up for it.  Never say "never", however.

2)  Would I be more attracted or feel instinctive revulsion?  Depends upon the man and how it has affected him.  I am not attracted to anyone with a victim mentality.  I am not attracted to anyone with a chip on their shoulder.  I am not attracted to anyone who lacks confidence in themselves.  Should this man's behavior display any of the above, I would likely feel some revulsion. 

3)  Would a man be right to conceal the information?  I don't feel it is my place to demand what someone reveals or does not reveal to me concerning their life.  If it negatively affects who they are and how they behave, however, we won't end up in a relationship.

Concerning some of the issues that have been raised in the ensuing discussion...

I didn't get the impression from the OP that his question was about whether you'd think less of a man because he'd been raped.  It also didn't appear to me that the issue was a question of homophobic reaction... whether a woman would be less sexually attracted to a man who'd been forced into a homosexual relationship.  Rather, I read it more as a question of whether a submissive would feel the man's dominant nature was somehow compromised.

With this in mind, I would say that I believe it would matter to me only if the dominant allowed it to affect his confidence.  A dominant without confidence, to me, is handicapped. 

While I, as many submissive types do, like to think of my dominant as a "force to be reckoned with" in my world... impregnable, resolute, and infallible... I recognize that idea is just a fantasy.   He is my hero, but he's also human.  It would be unfair of me to expect him to be undefeatable.

As to the assertion that any woman who lacks sexual attraction toward males who are bi-sexual or have willingly had homosexual encounters, is prejudiced or a bigot, I'm afraid I will have to disagree.  Primarily because I understand that those words have specific meanings, and I do not consider the definitions applicable on the sole basis of sexual attraction.

Consider, if you will, my sexual disinterest in bi-sexual men.  I have no prejudice (negative judgement or opinion) toward bi-sexual men.  I do not think less of them, I am not revolted by them, nor do I wish to avoid them.  Personally, aside from not caring one whit what people get up to in the privacy of their own sexual lives and with whom, I have no problem with having a bi-sexual doctor, next-door neighbor, minister, grocer, co-worker, or best friend.  I am simply not interested in having an intimate relationship with a bi-sexual man.

Why?  Because deep down, I want to be everything for my partner.  I want to be for him everything that he desires sexually... everything that attracts him and makes him horny. 

Is that realistic?  No, but the closer I can get, the more comfortable I am. 

If I were with a bi-sexual man, it would be with the knowledge that there are physical and emotional aspects of men that sexually appeal to him.  I cannot, in any stretch of my imagination, even begin to pretend that I have a penis, or large biceps, or rugged features, or any other physical or masculine characteristic that may entrance my would-be, bi-sexual partner.

In my mind, I would always and forever be sexually deficient.

That is not to say that I am incapable of understanding that my would-be, bi-sexual partner would not be perfectly content with me and only me.  But a fundamental part of me is unwilling to risk such a hard-wired piece of incompatibility.  I think I'd feel the same if I knew that my partner wasn't generally sexually attracted to brunettes, but instead, blondes.  I'd feel like a consolation prize... second choice.

Of course, I'm not naive enough to think that I am truly my partners sun and moon when it comes to sexual attraction.  Fortunately, I am close enough for my own comfort and there is much more to our relationship.  It is that part where I am close enough for my own comfort that I seek... that is just not possible for me with a man who I know harbors sexual attraction for masculine characteristics.  It is that part that would dampen my sexual attraction toward a man (keeping in mind that I am monogamous in nature and my sexual interest extends only so far as the realistic possibility of a committed relationship.)

Interestingly enough, looking back over my lifetime, once any potential partner was eliminated from consideration, any sexual attraction for them was gone.  Maybe I'm strange in that respect and most other people still lust after their ex's. 

Speaking of ex's... like most things in life, nothing is black and white, and there are exceptions.  Shortly after my ex and I were married, he revealed to me that he had had a sexual encounter with another man.  I would be lying if I said that I was perfectly comfortable with that knowledge, however, we were already in a committed relationship and there were plenty of other reasons for my discomfort to be submerged.  Our relationship went on to last for twenty-two years and our break-up had nothing whatsoever to do with that issue, so, I do know that it is possible to overcome this type of situation.

I just would never have willingly entered into it.

I do think it is very unfair to label someone unwilling to risk their own sexual comfort as bigoted.  As has been pointed out, bigotry is intolerance or hatred based on a prejudice.  I harbor no hatred nor am I intolerant of bi-sexual or gay men.  I'm just not comfortable entering into an intimate relationship with them.  Because they aren't potential partners for me, I have no sexual attraction to them.

I will point out what I feel to be the difference between appreciation for attractiveness and sexual attraction.  There are loads of people in this world I find attractive... for both physical and personality reasons.  But that doesn't mean that I find them sexually attractive. 

To me, "sexually attracted" means when I see someone I think, "I'd like to have sexual relations with them!"  Whether that leads to an ongoing relationship depends upon other factors.

There are many, many women who I see and think, "My!  They are beautiful!"  But I don't ever wonder how we'd be together sexually.   I never have a desire to kiss their lush lips or run my hands over their curves.  I don't have any desire to know them carnally.  Same for lots of men I see.

For me, it basically all boils down to "what floats your boat".  Everyone has their preferences, and everyone has their reasons for having preferences.  I don't think it is right to judge anothers preferences without knowing them well enough to know their reasons.  In my personal opinion, however, it isn't often that a person in question even knows him or herself well enough to understand their own preferences.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 9:37:13 PM   
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I would reject a man as a partner if he were bisexual. If I were into poly and wanted to be the middle part of an oreo cookie, or if I got off on watching two men have sex with each other, that would be different.
And you clearly have no idea what bisexual actually means.

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How many of us have known bi guys who tried marriage to a woman they were in love with...and ended up leaving the wife for another man...I have known several.

Of the approximately 25 married bi guys I have known personally, exactly 1 has left his wife for another man. Three have taken up with men long after they split from their wives and one had his supposedly straight wife leave him for another woman.

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Most bi men I have known as friends have ended up preferring only male partners as the years go by. 
And none, absolutely none, of my bi male friends have done so, most are still happily bi or have ended up preferring women as they get older. Men really honestly are a pain in the ass...in more ways then one.
I honestly don't know how you women put up with us.

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I freely admit to being unfair about certain things, and this is one of them.
Thank you for your honesty.


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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 9:52:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

As to why I am totally turned off bi guys? Which nobody asked about, btw. Years of experience of them coming on to me, and then a day later being all over somebody else. I have never known a bi male who is monogamous.


I am. I have the occasional wank at the thought of male bodies, and that's it. I don't do playing about with partnership loyalty. That's unchanged in my profile since I wrote it a few years ago.

I was wondering, actually, how do you define 'bisexual'? Is it any man who has even the fantasy of another man? Or is it a man who'll willingly have a real, all-out-partnership with a man? Two opposite extremes - where are you, re your definition of 'bisexual' - on that spectrum?





Peon, if you are taking some kind of poll I'll put my two cents in.
I define bisexual as...someone who has the ability to fall in love with both sexes.  People have the ability to f*ck almost anyone and everything when they are horny, but falling in love is different. 

This is just my own opinion that has been influenced and shaped over time by what I have seen and friends I have had.  If anyone wants to blow it off, I don't care.

IMO, fantasies don't count.  People have fantasies about things they would never actually do...and this is part of the reason why they can be so very hawt. 

As for the next part, I don't see how
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a man who'll willingly have a real, all-out-partnership with a man?" could be in this type of relationship without romantic attachment, therefore falling under my definition of gay or bisexual.  As for middle ground, I am having trouble with that as it is a gray area for me.  Guys can have sex with other guys without being gay or bisexual, IMO.  I just have a dividing line when it comes to lust and love, and as a previous post of mine said, I do not date guys who fall in love with other guys. 

Darn it, Peon.  Bi or not, you are lustworthy.  Forget the abs...that elfin face is hawt and those ears (kinda look a bit pointy to me) are hawt and very much grabable.  I hope you find a Domme with a lustworthy nose, no beehive hairdo, who likes to watch you doing other guys. 

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I am still glad my sub is not bisexual and will not be hungering for something he cannot have...a poly relationship.  For any bisexuals here that I offend with my ignorance of bisexuality, sorry but it has nothing to do with my dynamic.  I don't need to stretch myself into some know-it-all, I only have to treat others with good manners and try to be understanding, even when they into something different than what I do.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 9:54:20 PM   
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I define bisexual as...someone who has the ability to fall in love with both sexes.
Like I said, you have no idea what bisexual means.

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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 10:02:41 PM   
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I am still glad my sub is not bisexual and will not be hungering for something he cannot have...a poly relationship.
And why would a bisexual man hunger for a poly relationship? What on earth makes you think that?

A bisexual man is just as capable of being in a faithful monogamous relationship as a straight man. I was in two that lasted over 20 years combined. I never once cheated on my women with a man or a woman. I never hungered for a poly relationship, though I did fantasize about threesomes with two women a lot.

It must be a full moon or something in the water tonight, there are so many people with completely whacked ideas posting tonight. It's like I'm in the twilight zone, do you people really honestly believe this bullshit?


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RE: Would you be less inclined to submit to a man who'd... - 9/17/2011 11:09:28 PM   
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And you clearly have no idea what bisexual actually means.


Arpig, you've made this statement more than once in this thread.  Rather than simply denigrate, why don't you educate?

My understanding of what bi-sexual means is that an individual is sexually attracted to members of both genders, and is willing to act on that attraction.

If I am wrong or missing some important nuance, I would appreciate clarification.

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