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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

He always says that everyone should pay their fair share. That never includes the 50% of the population that pays NO federal income tax. Wouldn't it be fair for everyone to contribute something ?

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I find it funny that libs think the Federal government should be involved in things like Pell Grants.

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No, its a matter of fact, and the facts don't support your claim. Take a look at where campaign contributions went in 2008...more than half to Democrat candidates. Over the last 12 years campaign contributions and lobbyng expenditures were right about 50/50.

Here's what Wall Street Does ... I mean so you know... they hedge all their bets with campaign contributions to both candidates and when they have projected a winner in their own minds.
   Still doesn't offer a shred of support for your claims about your bankster confederates

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And I didnt lose anything.

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Pell Grants are actually a good investment.


You are hitting 2 for 2 today.

Government gives a Pell Grant to a good student who would not have been able to afford college.

Student graduates.

Due to having more education, student makes more money than he would have with a HS education.

This is not necessarily true. Consider the case of two equally bright and talented people entering high school. One aspires to be a m.d. and the other an auto mechanic.
The aspiring m.d. goes to 4 years of college and 4 years of med school before they start their internship which pays about $40k per year. Another two years and they apply for residency which comes with about 100% pay raise. After 12 years they are in the $100k+ range.
Certified auto mech in an agency garage gets between 40% and 50% of the agency charges of about $150 per hour. Any good mechanic can clock 80-100 hours per week of book time in a 40 hour week. That is between 2 and 3 hundred k per year.
It will take the m.d. maybe ten years after residency to hit those numbers. There is no way he will ever catch up to the mechanic.
If you want to make money learn a trade. If you wish to be educated go to college.

Student pays extra taxes on that income far in excess of the amount of the Pell grant recieved earlier.

Good investment.

whodathunkit two for two in one day...whadrusmokn'...care to share

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And I didnt lose anything.

(to wit - a majority of those polled, btw) feel the rich need to be fairly taxed.
 

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I find it funny that the class warfare label is given to rasing taxes on people who can afford it, but not to the GOP cutting Pell Grant funding...

I find it funny that libs think the Federal government should be involved in things like Pell Grants.

I find it funny that you think the average person doesnt have a right to an education

Every State Constitution provides for universal public schooling up to 12th grade. Most places have kindergarten as well.

No. Higher education is NOT a right.

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America has fallen behind the rest of the world because of bad parenting. Period. You can throw as much money as you want into "infrastucture", grants, curricula etc, and it wont do a fucking thing until parents instill and support educational values in their kids. Kids from families with cultures that have supported education do just fine.

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Does the term "Higher Education Bubble" mean ANYTHING to you?

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ROFL. If you poll a majority of people about taking away OPM money and giving it to them of course they'll say yes. Too bad they don't understand how self-defeating that is.

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ROFL. If you poll a majority of people about taking away OPM money and giving it to them of course they'll say yes. Too bad they don't understand how self-defeating that is.

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

From the national taxpayers union. Who is paying income taxes..Top 1%, 38.8 , Top 5%, 58.7. Top 10 %, 69.94. Top 25% 86.36. Top 50% 97.3 . Bottom 50 % of wage earners pay 2.7 %.. It seems to me that the rich are already paying thier fair share..

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America has fallen behind the rest of the world because of bad parenting. Period. You can throw as much money as you want into "infrastucture", grants, curricula etc, and it wont do a fucking thing until parents instill and support educational values in their kids. Kids from families with cultures that have supported education do just fine.

I agree that parents should instill educational values in their kids. I think a lot of the problem is lack of time. Service job salaries often force parents to work more than one job. In the days of strong unions, jobs paid more and one paycheck easily provided enough income to support a family. The other parent could stay home and had plenty of time to oversee their children's education. Another hinderence to a child developing good educational values is bullying. Homeschooling is usually the best solution, but how can parents homeschool if they're working 2-3 jobs? I also believe the reason American kids have fallen behind in math is new teaching methods. The old way of teaching math made sense and was much less confusing.

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Class Warfare is only Warfare if the other class fights back.

Puerile nonsense.

Instead we have rich president going against his own people to defend the poor.

It would appear that you feel that anyone with more money than you is rich. Jenny craig is about 15 times richer than obama, and she is not even on the top 1000 richest in the u.s.


In other words, the president hates his own kind.

False premis = false conclusion

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And I also agree that teaching methods have hurt. There is a lot to be said for rote/memorization to get the fundamentals down, and then enhance it with theory and "understanding" for those who need it for higher education.

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And I didnt lose anything.

Actually, that's true, since the prize is derailment of a discussion about taxation and how some people (to wit - a majority of those polled, btw) feel the rich need to be fairly taxed.

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FR -

Obama Says You Don't Raise Taxes In A Recession

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It has little to do with strong unions and a lot to do (and I guarantee this comment will be mischaracterized by some here) with women's "liberation". That social dynamic where women were told they could "have it all" led to a marked increase in women in the workforce, lowering wages for all due to the increased supply of labor. As you are pointing out (indirectly, not trying to put words in your mouth) you really can't "have it all" at the same level of quality.

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It has little to do with strong unions and a lot to do (and I guarantee this comment will be mischaracterized by some here) with women's "liberation". That social dynamic where women were told they could "have it all" led to a marked increase in women in the workforce, lowering wages for all due to the increased supply of labor. As you are pointing out (indirectly, not trying to put words in your mouth) you really can't "have it all" at the same level of quality.

Women's labor was and still is valued less than men's. So. . . because they could pay women less, they did. Hence the creation of 'pink collar' versus 'blue and white collar' jobs. And policies. And several other things.

The women's liberation movement was a fine thing. Women SHOULD have equality of opportunity. However, much like other 'equal opportunity movements' equality of opportunity has been tossed out for equality of outcome.

Something that is ofter overlooked is that many families today could have a higher standard of living (less debt and more disposable income) if one parent would quit working and stay home.