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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/14/2006 7:26:56 PM   
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Leather, I have a $99 Huffy "1" speed bike but it gets me around.
And you're right about that start/quit/ start stuff, it's like you have to start all over again.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/14/2006 9:16:19 PM   
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Stick with it and slowly increase your activity levels too, *you can do it!* Let us know about your progress too!


:)  Thanks, Popeye.  I'll take all the encouragement and support I can get! 
 
When I started, I had 177 lb to lose.  I WILL get back to the 120's and those size 8 jeans!  (actually, I'd be happy with a size 12, but I'm still shooting for the stars right now)  I've got a Bowflex and an Ab-lounger at home, along with a number of aerobics videos, so I think I'm pretty much set.  That, and I need to walk my dogs more frequently, I think.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/14/2006 11:23:23 PM   
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I've read through almost every single line in this thread (shush, I know), and I'm finding it hard to get my head back to the original point.  Sure, I have a TON of opinions having to do with a lot of different points that were brought up along the way.  But....like some have said, it's not the place and completely digresses from what was originally asked.

I guess what I want to say to rose is this:

I think I get the gist of what you were trying to ask in the original post.  And as the masses have amply pointed out, thatyour inquisitions could have been better stated.  But I also understand that sometimes we all have a hard time putting into words what we are thinking....especially when we don't have a good grasp on what it is that we are thinking about.  If I'm very confused about something or an idea, I sure as hell sometimes spout a question that comes out way off in left field of where I want to be.

But we eventually get there, as long as there are people there to help us along that are calm, understanding and willing to help us get to a point of better understanding.

As to what I think is your question:

I will agree that the percentage of Americans that are overweight play a large part in that many of the people involved in BDSM are "bigger", but I have also seem my fair share of thin, fit or downright skinny people involved in BDSM.  Personally I have never noticed one to outweigh (no pun intended) the other.

As well pointed out by others of the non-skinny stature, most are well adjusted and accepting of themselves and not worried about the kind of stigma that pretty much everything that we've known in this lifetime of ours that has shoved it down our throats that we should be such weight, such build, hence a cookie cutter vision of humanity.

We were not built that way, so why should we try to be something we were not meant or made to be?  So here comes the mini-lecture about finding happiness in making yourself into a healthy human being, inside and out.  Not try to stuff yourself like shoving a square peg into a round hole.  Learn to find things in yourself that make you happy, accentuate those things, build on them while working on things that are maybe a bit less-desireable to you.

For me, Yeah, there are things that I don't particularly like.  I've also been lucky enough to only have had maybe a small handful of people in the span of my meager 23 years to make any truly disparaging comments to me about the way I looked, be it weight or otherwise.  But I've learned that in order to be a happy person, I have to work on me for me, not others.  Yes, another very over-used statement.  But it is entirely true.  But be realistic in your goals and ambitions, do a bit at a time and don't get discouraged.

You said that you didn't want people missing the sexy side of yourself because of your weight.  Again, many have said that weight has nothing to do with how sexy a person is.  Which is also true, but only if you believe it.  What IS sexy is how someone carries themselves, the obviousness of their pride in themselves, not just in how they look, but WHO they are as a person, their talents, their drive. 

What I think you might need to focus on is less to do with your weight but more to do with you as a whole.  Take a step back and look at yourself.  The whole picture.  All the traits, likes and dislikes, strengths and weaknesses etc etc.  I think once you start doing that, you'll be more on your way to becoming more happy with yourself, more accepting of yourself and certainly more understanding of yourself.  And the rest should fall into place.  You'll start to be more relaxed, focused, energized and driven to take on whatever the world might throw at you or what you might want to challenge yourself to.

I hope that my little exerpt in this vast sea of responses is read and even more hopefully understood.

Be well, and good luck.



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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 3:08:52 AM   
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Leatherwork,

Where Did you saw that I (the one who says she is a smart ass) was unhealthy? You can be a bit overweight and be healthy anyway, I walk; I swim, I'm doing my cleaning myself (wich is a good kinda sport).

Comparing to most of the "american overweight" i saw when i visit my father in Texas; who seem to be too lazy to walk to the grocery  store at the corner of their street, who park their car  almost In the supermarket to not make 2 yards by feet,  I walk in a month more then them in  1 year!!!!

I did'nt said that i was happy with my "plus size" but what s more important is the brain , not the weight. Some people are fat because they got health problems, I'm fat because i like to cook and then to eat, but also because i 'm Epileptic and my  medecine made me gain  paddles, that my family is having tyrhoidys problems, high blood pressure and so on!

As someone else said, I will loose weight when i will feel ready (probably like you did) and not to please people behind a keyboard and that they think I should!!!No one tell me what I should Do , think or whatever!

Guess and hope i made myself clear! Chloé



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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 9:35:52 AM   
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I only agree in part to what Aine said.  Too many fat people by into the fact BBW is beautiful.. what a load of crap.  BBW big beautiful whales.  BBW embracers are those that are too lazy to get healthy that is a simple fact.

The human body is no longer used as it evolved over the eons.  It is a machine.  We take in oxygen into the lungs.  That goes to the blood to supply it to the muscles.. those also burn the fat as energy.  You dont burn the fat and you build upto a fatty.. over stored energy.  Simply get active.. use the body at it was designed.  You will then be what your body is supposed to be. 

And yes.. I know exactly the difference.  I ballooned up during a 2 year battle with cancer. I HAD to loose the weight to get normal function back for medical reasons.  What I learned along the way, was no miracle. no easy cure.  Work and being active period.

This applies to everyone.. not just the ladies but you fellas also.  Burn off that stored excess energy .  Some people I had not seen in a few years the other night were surprised at my appearance when I went to a kinky meeting.  WHY.. because I lost those excess pounds. 

And that success, appreciation from others was palpable. 

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 9:47:09 AM   
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all I can say is fat chicks need love too . I amsomeone who doesn't hold a persons appearence against them to begin with .... hell a supple rump means more to spank now don't it. I am by far not the hardest of bodies . I do try and get myself there as I like the sexxy look ... beauty is in the eyes of the beholder after all and I think I look ok
 
years ago I used to think their are 2 reasons why BBW's come into this lifestyle
 
1) they know they will get attention here . and even tho it may be bad attention they know they will get it and some kind of attention is better then none
2) the other was health reasons .. thyroid issues will cause a woman to swell up as well as getting pregnant ... those women I think came to  the lifestyle simply because it appealed to their sense of what the world should be ....
 
wether a woman is skinny or large should make absolutely no value on her as a person . she is human thru and thru and has a mind and soul for the seeking.
 


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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 10:55:05 AM   
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For me , the reason they are so many fat /overweight people in the BDSM world is that they thought that being an alternative "culture", meant  being able to handle "alternative people". apprently i guess i 'm wrong cause most of the time what i read or understand is: What the hell are this fat ugly whales do in this kind of site, we all want "paris hilton clone" as an appropriate submissive!!!! You see the straw in the eye of the neighbour but not the beam in yours

Just being realistic now, i  think; in  agreement with my Dom and husband that  overweight people are here cause they enjoy life to the fullest !!! And what else  then Food and Sex are the biggests pleasures on earth?

As a kind of conclusion, some questions will never have answers: like who were the first, the egg or the chicken?

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 3:21:16 PM   
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  BBW embracers are those that are too lazy to get healthy that is a simple fact.

Fact huh?
wow  I guess we should all be happy that you showed up here on the message boards to inform us of the Facts. 
You amuse me


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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 4:16:04 PM   
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It is a simple fact.  there are very few medical conditions that are only attributed to being fat..

The body is a fat burning machine ... if you aint burning it your getting fat.. if your taking in more than you burn.. your gonna be fat.

And yes.. you are now enlightened.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 4:20:47 PM   
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Well, as usual, after more than a few comments, the original post has been diffused, eventually becoming a question never asked...however, I'll respond;

You asked "why are there so many...".

Because the group that is your peer group (you're 27, but the people you'll associate with in munches and such, will tend towards middle age) is growing older.

It's a big group.  Statistically the largest group, en masse, in US history.

Even at 27, you're quickly growing into those whom, once 30, will see a vital change in their metabolism.

Many men start seeing their balding patterns at 25+.  I started gaining weight regardless of what I did at 30.  Frankly, I was happy about it as, up until then I had tried everything to GAIN weight (go figure) and honestly, I was THRILLED with gaining 40 pounds.  Hell, prior to, I wore a 28 waist jean.

When I got married, barely 12 months later I was wearing a 32 (God forbid) and I gave all my worn jeans to this chic that was a friend of my (then) wifes (who I should point out, looked far better in them than I ever would).

Of course, women have their own issues as to age, and since I'm not one, I won't claim any knowledge therein (but I will say, ya'll sure can hide all that shit better than we can).

(Which I'd like to point out by the way, is not at all fair).

We (those of us with a few lbs added) may or may not be pleased with the way we look (I'd suspect few are), but those of us who have long gotten over the issue of "I may never be young again...OMFG!!!! What happened to me???" have since progressed to "Ya know what?  I'm all good with who I am/have become, and I spent waaaaaaay too much of my youth concerned about who thought what about whom...."
 
Or why.
 
Enough such that today, those of us who may have been caught up in those mosh pits of stupidity, now understand with relish...the heart is what matters.

It's all good.

Every one of us needs to focus on our health.  My generation (I'm 48 shortly) has the highest diabetes numbers in history.  (That's often caused by weight, among other things, such as heritage).  It's a huge issue.

Guess what skinny/younger types?  You're next.  You're eating the same crap I did.  You're tommorrow's headlines. (My group will find the cure by the way).

I'm 30 lbs overweight, I wish it were otherwise, but them's the facts.  At 48, I know I better give some consideration to that specific issue because in about 3 weeks (maybe 4)...I'm going to be 75. 

(But I'll tell you right now, I won't look a day over 73, 8 months, 19 days).

Time is not our friend. (I actually emailed "Time" and told him that, but the fucker never wrote back).

(Prick).

I have good coverage, I don't use that as an excuse to decide to do less than what I should, but at least I'm considering the fact that society is not going to have to carry the purse for my lack of effort.

(And I am making effort).

On the other hand...since I am unlikely ever again to achieve my ideal weight of 1987, please allow me to infer....those of you that don't care for overweight folks; "I'm okay if you don't call me".

(Really I am).

And for those of you under 35 who think you won't be cursed....be aware...I've already cursed you :)

(But I did it in love).

Enjoy.

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 4:28:54 PM   
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Laughing &

still amused

Thanks

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 4:52:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW



Every one of us needs to focus on our health.  My generation (I'm 48 shortly) has the highest diabetes numbers in history.  (That's often caused by weight, among other things such as heritage).  It's a huge issue.

Charles wants to add here:.. Getting what extra weight I had carried proved to be the best thing I ever could have done to get my diabetes under control.  I thought I was ok weighing around 210 at 6 ft... for 10 years could not get to the numbers my Dr wanted.  When I ballooned up fighting cancer those diabetic numbers were really bad even with the best medicines.

I dropped down to a low of 182.. my numbers were finally way below targets asked for.  All my bloodwork now leans toward the diabetes not being an issue anymore.

HOW did that happen simply no carrying that extra weight.  AND I never have changed my diet. 

Time is not our friend. (I actually emailed "Time" and told him that, but the fucker never wrote back).

(Prick).

That is very funny... I wrote the fella who said .. things happen for a reason... never got a reply to that either.

So if you get active.. many health issues wont be health issues.  Regardless of the other bullshit you buy into.,

Charles

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/15/2006 10:58:35 PM   
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After trying to read  all the pages in this post, although I will admit to not reading all posts throroughly as the numbers increase as I am reading.  I need to add my few cents.

I believe for a group of individuals who profess acceptance of others and their kinks there are a large number who are not accepting of others. 

I also feel this is not a forum where one can fully communicate their own relationships, nor is it a fair forum where all are able to post and convey their message as well as others.

Rose has chosen her Master and He has chosen Rose.  We should respect this.

Rose asked for feedback on the topic of fat, this is where things when wild.  Fat is the last bastion of accepted discrimination.  Of late there are a number of topics on the subject of fat.  They all seem to hit a nerve with many.

For those who are fat, if you are ok with it great.  For those who are not fat, if you are ok with that great.  For those who are with a partner who is fat, if you are ok with that great.

For those who enjoy the partner you have yet would prefer them to be a different size, that is up to you.

Ther is much talk about training, how do I become a better slave/sub however when it comes to the Top/Dom/me/Master wanting to change ones size this is taboo???  I see something wrong with that.

My kink is not yours is the mantra we profess to live by, yet we have decided Stoney is bad and Rose is in a bad situation,  how did we come to that conclusion from reading words in cyber space??

In regard to the question posed.  I feel once you know yourself, and like yourself, and are in the skin you like -whatever size that skin is- that is when you become comfortable and happy in who you are.

For some this means being morbidly obese, for others it is grossly underweight.  For most of us I believe it is somewhere in between the two.

I personally have one Master, he loves me for me, he plays/uses/directs me because that is what He wants to do.  This is up to Him not anyone else.  It is my responsiblity to keep His property in its best condition, if that means working out, losing/gaining weight then that is what I would do.

A suggestion to you Rose perhaps if you are looking for open discussion you could try to post your questions without using examples from your private life, that may save you the huge number of posters who chose to decide what is right for you and yours.

Just my rambling thoughts for tonight

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/16/2006 7:55:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leatherwork

I only agree in part to what Aine said.  Too many fat people by into the fact BBW is beautiful.. what a load of crap.  BBW big beautiful whales.  BBW embracers are those that are too lazy to get healthy that is a simple fact.


quote:

It is simple .. if your a fatass Dom or a fatass sub/slave get active, get healthy, and the rewards are well worth it. 


quote:

Added.. I should have looked at the profile of the people who have commented.  All unhealthy overweight women and a few way overweight Doms... get healthy.. fat is not your friend.. it is a cloak you hide under..


Being overwieght for 2 years hardly makes you a spokesperson for the overwieght of the world.  It would seem like with what you've been through (cancer and 2 yrs of overweight) would have taught you some compassion - which I don't see coming through in your posts.

This is a repost from one of the other overweight threads, with a few changes to answer this thread.

I've watched this thread quietly from the beginning, as it exploded, regrouped, exploded again and so on.  I've remained quiet because I did not wish to answer with defensiveness and emotion, however, even now, it may be that way.

I've been overweight to greater and lesser degrees from about age 7.  I do not know what prompted the weight gain from the beginning, other than heredity, as I've always been active.  I can however tell you what doesn't help...and perhaps within that explanation, we can find what does help.

1. It does not help an overweight person lose, or find the motivation to lose weight by others imposing their own form of humiliation and degradation on them.  We know we are bigger than you, we don't need you to grind it into our heads.  We do not need for you to sneer at us, and laugh as though we are some sort of freak show, and not a human being. 

Comments such as those above do nothing to help support or encourage someone who is overwieght to lost the unhealthy portion.  It does little but push us further into the hole we've dug for ourselves, knowing that we are not accepted as viable human beings because we dare to be weak to food, (or any other way of stating the obvious).  Do people who make these kinds of comments actually feel this is helpful?  If not, then what would be the motivation for making such cutting comments?

2. Many of those who've taken the acronyms of BBW or BBM, have done so, to help regain a sense of dignity.  Not what was lost when we became overweight, but what is taken from us each time someone who is uncomfortable with our size, feels a need to cut us down, so they can feel more comfortable.  This happens whereever we are, be it in church, the supermarket, walking down the street, exercizing in the gym.

But my question is: Why do they look at overwieght people as freaks?  Because we have extra weight doesn't make us a freak. We are still human beings with thoughts, feelings, and desires. 

It has been proven time and again, by talk shows and news programs - overweight people are treated differently!  They are treated with less respect, less compassion, and at times as less intelligent individuals, all because they carry around extra pounds.  Does society in general, and some persons imparticular, not see how treating overwieght people in this manner is not only NOT helping the situation, but it is most likely adding to the problem?  (Do not take this as shifting blame, as I take responsibility for my own actions - I'd simply like those who can't encourage, and in fact discourage with their disrespect, lack of compassion, and degradation to take responsibility for their actions as well)

4. The gym - Those of you who have advocated the gym, I'm sure you realize, there are those people at the gym, as there are in all of society, who have decided fat people are somehow lesser than they are.  So to go to a gym, while the concept is a good one, may in fact put those who are already overweight and suffering from the snips, quips, and degradation of society's thinner crowd in a postion for more of the same.  I'm not saying going to the gym is a bad thing, but just as many think church is for saints rather than sinners - there are a great number who think the gym is for those who are already thin.

Now lest you think I'm picking on the males of society, let me share with you a little scenario -

While out shopping, I needed to use the restroom. (the ladies room of course with the long line).  There were three stalls.  One stall was filthy - excrement in the toilet, the seat dribbled on, toiletpaper every where. One stall was occupied.  I (the obese woman) opened the door to the stall as I was exiting.  The thin woman waiting in line, took a couple of steps toward the stall I was exiting - turned, looked in the filthy stall, looked at me, and silently slipped into the filthy stall to take care of her business.

To me, it says something very sad about that woman, the woman who would prefer to risk the filthy stall, rather than to use a very clean stall with an obese woman exiting.   And you wonder why - obese women have self esteem issues?   Though in all honesty, I laughed and shook my head as I washed my hands and left the restroom.  I felt sorry for the woman. 

And to my last point -

Many have commented on the cost of a gym and how to pay for it.  There are many in this world, who have to put their priorities on making sure they have housing, enough food to be nourished(btw, I don't think fat people eat more and spend more on food - I think they may in fact spend less - box macaroni and cheese, while it adds on the pounds because of fat and carbs, etc - is so much cheaper than lean chicken, fish, and fruits and veggies. But I've digressed again -

I put this challenge out to those of you who feel we should all be able to lose weight if we simply make our priorities right -
I challenge you to put your money where your mouth is  -

1. Find someone who is overwight and wants to lose, but can't financially afford to pay for a gym membership - and pay for one years membership for them.
2. Call them weekly - not to put them down, or to degrade them - but to encourage them, to cheer them on, whether they lost weight that week or not. 

If you actually want the world to be a better place - then stop making it worse by your sputtering, and take action to help MAKE it a better place.


indigo

PS: Popeye - thank you for encouraging, rather than humiliating! 

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/17/2006 1:04:26 AM   
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Indigo

I've read your post very carefully and all I have to say is: bravo, bravo, bravissimo. Finally someone constructive.

Chloé


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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/17/2006 6:55:56 AM   
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LTR-wonderful post.  I'm still snickering.  :)

indigo-as well, a wonderfully thought-out post, kudos.


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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/19/2006 2:38:41 PM   
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Damn, I just now found out from a neighbor that one of the other condo owners here had a massive coronary at 42 years of age and underwent quadruple bypass surgery!
This lady was probably 100 pounds overweight.
You really do need to get rid of that excess weight if you want to LIVE!
Please, do it for yourself!!!

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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/19/2006 3:37:59 PM   
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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/19/2006 6:11:36 PM   
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I have a tattoo, across my forehead, done in light reactive ink which can only be seen under a certain spectrum of blacklight.

It reads, "Maximum weight: Do not exceed 165 lbs."



Actually, it has more to do with how much weight my bike can handle with my ass and another on it... lol.


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RE: subs and slaves weight? - 8/22/2006 3:38:00 AM   
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There are so many subs/slavs overweight for two reasons: first, some are drawn to the lifestyle because they were originally overweight and the only way they could get attention is by doing things the other girls wouldn't. Second, most people in this line of play have personality issues that lead to compulsive behavior (exhibited in eating) or a lcak of self-discipline.  Looking forward to the angry responses.

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