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MasterStoney442 -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 8:04:03 PM)
OK here is the last that I am going to post on this . 1 I do not talk about the kids dads to them in any way that is negative . 2. I never tell my slave she is fat . 3. I do work out with her .4. At my age as some one put it , I can out do her,but thats not the point . 5. I always say what I want , I am not one to lie or hold back . And yes that does not go well with most people ,but oh well get over it . 6. My opinions are mine and yours are yours , I respect that . 7. My slave knows how I am and did from the start. We are here in this life to stay . 8. you do not like me or what I say ,get over it. I do not live my life for you, Meaning all the other people in this world . I live for my slave . And yes I have kids of my own and they are my life as well . 9 . I love my slave for who she is and what she can become. Now I think this hores has been beaten enuf . If my slave wants to add more to this , it is up to her . This is her post .

maybemaybenot -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 8:26:31 PM)
Stoney: Your above post looks like an attempt to reconcile your previous " bull in the china shop" posts. I would like to think your previous posts were knee jerk and not well thought out, in regards to how you represented Rose and her children. Of course you have every right to say what you please, however you want to. On the same hand, this can be acheived without the appearance of berating, belittling and name calling your own slave. < and appearing to brush all woman with a dirty brush > No, I for one did not like what you said, but it was the tone and presentation of what you said more than the meat and potatoes of it. You do not need my approval or any one elses, but when you lay it out the way you did, you can expect the type of backlash you recieved. I am hoping your above post is a shot at temperance and trying to clarify what you previously posted. mbmbn

allyC -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 8:29:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul people that allow their children to be talked to like shit, disgust me and I have nothing further to say to you..... other than.... if you have no respect for yourself or your children, what the hell kind of image are you setting in their heads..... * I am trying to figure out where, anywhere in this post, rose or her master said anything about talking to their children like shit? I think what she said was that if this man stepped up to the plate and became a father to those children and provided for those children when their own fathers don't care, then he has every right to call them (the fathers) worthless. Nowhere did it say that he would call them worthless in front of the children. People just assumed that. I think that the whole thread has gotten way out of hand. No one here can look at a handful of posts and all of a sudden be able to give marital/relationship advice and pass absolute judgement on two people that they don't know. Go ahead and judge their words (the actual things they have said) but don't presume to know them or what motivates them. I did find his words to be offensive in places. But I don't believe that he is articulate enough (with the written word) to phrase things as he may have intended them. People write on these boards all day long but you really don't know the tone in which they are spoken or in some cases, mis-spoken unless you hear or see them in many cases. There are certainly enough people waiting in line though to step up and point out how stupid people are if they don't spell or write well. I don't know rose or her owner. I do admit that I wondered why he chose to own someone who fit into a category of people he hates but since I've not walked a mile in either of their shoes, I probably won't know. I don't, however, think that equates to him hating her. I don't believe he called her a fat, lazy whore either. She admitted that when it came to exercise, she was lazy. She said flat out that she wanted to lose the weight but didn't want to do what was necessary to get there. He reiterated her point. He gets to do that. He has a relationship with her that entitles him to do that. Perhaps her children are unruly. Perhaps she was having a difficult time providing the stability and structure that they needed and he stepped up and provided it. Perhaps their fathers are assholes. If that is the case then what is wrong with saying so? It doesn't mean he treats her kids like crap does it? Just because he recognizes their fathers (well one of them anyway) as being dead-beat dads? I think that there were intitial comments in the first post (i.e. the part about hating fat people) that already had people's dander up and when her owner came forward and spoke his mind (admittely poorly) that he didn't have a chance in hell of coming through unscathed even if he had read out of the book of all the right things to say. The bottom line is this - she brought their business to the board and it was responded to. He brought their business to the board and it was responded to. But in my opinion, that doesn't make it open season for vitriolic supposition and venomed barbs. I think people can be critical and still be constructive. One can even present brutal, harsh truth without injecting personal slams and hateful words. Well wishes, Cav's ally

juliaoceania -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 8:41:27 PM)
I know Rose and Stoney from a group I belonged to for a period of time on MSN. I know Rose better than Stoney and I like Rose very much! Stoney often has said things that rub people the wrong way, but there were times that I have spoken with Stoney when he was very encouraging to me and kind to me... And while I have not always agreed with him about how he handled Rose (mostly keeping these opinions to myself and I am sure they both remember the smoking incident...lol). I will say this, Stoney has never communicated anything but love for Rose in to my knowledge. I have never known her to tell me that he has ever said he did not love her. He has forgiven her things that other Masters may not have forgiven her... and he has been there for her when she has made some mistakes. He never turned his back on her and always tried to be strong for her. He moved his life for her.... He helped her with her kids, which was something I know that she desired help with because she was overwhelmed... as a single mom I know I am overwhelmed with ONE .. I cannot imagine how overwhelming 4 would be. Many men of Stoney's generation speak of women laying down and getting what they deserve... I dont agree with that talk, it is not pc, but I have heard this man's voice when he speaks of rose and to rose... His voice always reflected love and pride when I have heard him speak.... It is really hard to judge someone based on a few posts in a forum... and I will probably regret saying what I have, but I am anyways, because I think rose is a wonderful lady and I have enjoyed our many talks in the past. I do not agree with hating fat people, it is narrow in my mind.. I do not agree with many things he has said, but at the same time, I have not seen Stoney as abusive to rose.... In fact I know he has done so much to empower her to be economically independent, to be a firm role model for her children, and to be healthier not just in her weight, but with other bad habits. So I am just speaking up about that.. and about the kid's fathers... if they do not pay for their kids.. see their kids.. I call it just telling it like it is... why pussyfoot around it? As long as he isnt saying it to the kids why is it bad for him to relate it here? I have a deadbeat loser exhubby and it doesnt reflect on me as a human being.. it reflects on him Oh well, go ahead and dogpile on me.. outta friendship I have felt for rose in the past I can take it...lol

Arpig -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 8:52:16 PM)
quote: Well and because Master hates fat ppl. If you ask me (and you did [:)]), your master is a shallow little dickhead.

bignipples2share -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 9:09:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: babyblues a survey in which most high school students would rather lose an arm than be overweight....what does that tell you? If they lose their arm, then they'd probably tip the scale back down to the right number, for their height, on the scales. Then again, they might want a boob job, which will probably put them over their weight limit again, but hey, they can lop off the other arm, or a leg and be right back on track. LOL Sorry, couldn't resist ~Big __________________ ahhhh I see sounds

ZenDragoness -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 9:10:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig quote: I noticed the others but was too "lazy" to type them all out [:D] Is too lazy the problem or not knowing better? I liked this best: quote: She does work 40 hours a week on third shit [sm=biggrin.gif] M I, as a second languager, was not sure if this a spelling error or a slang use of shift?

zumala -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 9:17:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ZenDragoness quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig quote: I noticed the others but was too "lazy" to type them all out [:D] Is too lazy the problem or not knowing better? I liked this best: quote: She does work 40 hours a week on third shit [sm=biggrin.gif] M I, as a second languager, was not sure if this a spelling error or a slang use of shift? Off hand, I'd say that was a typo. zuma

FelinePersuasion -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 9:24:05 PM)
The thing that always annoys me is when fat men make disparaging remarks about fat women, people who live in glass houses or in this case are overweight themself shouldn't throw stones at others.

slo18 -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 9:37:26 PM)
hmmm I have been asked to lose weight, and I have been asked to gain weight, I wont do either for anyone. I am proud of who I am, and what i am. I know that somewhere there is someone that wants me, someone that finds my body as atractive as they find my mind. why wouldent I be proud of my aperince? i take a great deal of pride in looking good when i go out. just because I am a pluse sized fat woman doesnt mean I cant look good. I would be lieing if I said i loved the way I lookedin the mirror nude, but thats because I have issues of my own to work out its no fault of my body. I eat healthfully, and I work hard, I walk every day and my docter isnt concerned about my health, so why should I be. and I sure didnt see any vicicusness directed at rose, only at the rubish comeing out of her masters mouth. what I did see is him showing up and pitching a fit. also nyxalinth2, and anyone else on this site can say any damn thing they feel like. she isnt your slave, she isnt your sub she isnt your anything. u came on here acting all big and bad and if the worst u get is being adressed as bucko concider yourself lucky.

bignipples2share -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 9:39:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ZenDragoness quote: ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig quote: I noticed the others but was too "lazy" to type them all out [:D] Is too lazy the problem or not knowing better? I liked this best: quote: She does work 40 hours a week on third shit [sm=biggrin.gif] M I, as a second languager, was not sure if this a spelling error or a slang use of shift? There's alot he doesn't like besides people who have meat on their bones. It looked to me, as well, that he thinks women are whores. I just figured he didn't think much of her job on top of all his other dislikes. If their relationship is based on love and beratement of her and beratement is what rocks her world, fine. I just found it tacky that he would actually believe it and then, no matter how poorly he's wording it, call all women whores. Well, to that I say, if he's actually participating, is he not then at least a ho himself? So, to follow his own train of thought, even if he's not paying for or receiving money for it, he's obviously gaining something from it! So, ho he must be. He obviously must hate himself since he's over weight. Issues, issues....talk about baggage Whew

Strangelove -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 9:50:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: perverseangelic Basically, I think that I'd rather be around someone who's overweight that loves and accepts his/her body, and strives to keep his/her body healthy than a skinny person who is fixated on her weight as the determining factor in his/her self esteem. Indeed. I do, at risk of causing offence where none is designed, make a distinction between overweight and obese. Obesity is not healthy, no matter how happy, loving or accepting one might feel about it. I am overweight. I have diabetes mellitus, brought on by my weight, which is treated with changes in diet. Not to say that I could stand to shed a few kilos, that would be to the betterment of my health. Withstanding, it is in no way safe, nor sane, to engage in emotionally and physically demanding activities, where the danger is exacerbated by a participant's health. quote: ORIGINAL: sleazybutterfly ... it wasn't the weight that put ppl off from talking to me.. it was my attitude about it. i started going out.. meeting ppl.. opening up.. dressing sexy.. approaching.. or making myself more approachable by my attitude.. that i was a wonderful.. beautiful woman.. and it did attract them.. not everyone.... but that is okay.. it kept me busy enough, trust me. We all have our own tastes in ppl... quote: ORIGINAL: CrappyDom One of the things she did possess that made her so erotic, was she truly loved her body. Not to the point of arrogance, but just nice healthy love. She also always took the time to dress well and took pride in her appearance but I believe that was part of the healthy love of herself. Attitude plays a large part for me. Whatever our body type, we may feel uncomfortable or ill at ease. To a large part, I have no particular preference regarding body type/size. Though, I find a little insecurity, not necessarily over body weight, an alluring spice to a woman's appeal; also identifing with CrappyDom, have a special affection for rubenesque women. I do love the tag line sleazybuttefly. "Go ahead, fuck me like ya mean it.. I dare ya." Outstanding.

Reflectivesoul -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 10:07:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allyC quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoul people that allow their children to be talked to like shit, disgust me and I have nothing further to say to you..... other than.... if you have no respect for yourself or your children, what the hell kind of image are you setting in their heads..... * I am trying to figure out where, anywhere in this post, rose or her master said anything about talking to their children like shit? I think what she said was that if this man stepped up to the plate and became a father to those children and provided for those children when their own fathers don't care, then he has every right to call them (the fathers) worthless. Nowhere did it say that he would call them worthless in front of the children. People just assumed that. I think that the whole thread has gotten way out of hand. No one here can look at a handful of posts and all of a sudden be able to give marital/relationship advice and pass absolute judgement on two people that they don't know. Go ahead and judge their words (the actual things they have said) but don't presume to know them or what motivates them. I did find his words to be offensive in places. But I don't believe that he is articulate enough (with the written word) to phrase things as he may have intended them. People write on these boards all day long but you really don't know the tone in which they are spoken or in some cases, mis-spoken unless you hear or see them in many cases. There are certainly enough people waiting in line though to step up and point out how stupid people are if they don't spell or write well. I don't know rose or her owner. I do admit that I wondered why he chose to own someone who fit into a category of people he hates but since I've not walked a mile in either of their shoes, I probably won't know. I don't, however, think that equates to him hating her. I don't believe he called her a fat, lazy whore either. She admitted that when it came to exercise, she was lazy. She said flat out that she wanted to lose the weight but didn't want to do what was necessary to get there. He reiterated her point. He gets to do that. He has a relationship with her that entitles him to do that. Perhaps her children are unruly. Perhaps she was having a difficult time providing the stability and structure that they needed and he stepped up and provided it. Perhaps their fathers are assholes. If that is the case then what is wrong with saying so? It doesn't mean he treats her kids like crap does it? Just because he recognizes their fathers (well one of them anyway) as being dead-beat dads? I think that there were intitial comments in the first post (i.e. the part about hating fat people) that already had people's dander up and when her owner came forward and spoke his mind (admittely poorly) that he didn't have a chance in hell of coming through unscathed even if he had read out of the book of all the right things to say. The bottom line is this - she brought their business to the board and it was responded to. He brought their business to the board and it was responded to. But in my opinion, that doesn't make it open season for vitriolic supposition and venomed barbs. I think people can be critical and still be constructive. One can even present brutal, harsh truth without injecting personal slams and hateful words. Well wishes, Cav's ally ok... if you honestly want to sit there and believe that he wouldnt say something nasty to her and those kids thats fine... but if he's willing to talk nasty in a public forum about her and this behavior... quote: Yes Master does call me a whore. But not in public. But that is none of your business. He calls me a bitch 24/7. A slut when He wants, cunt, whatever He wants when He wants. But that is our house He can do this if He wants.. At home... who hears it at home? who hears the "fat" comments? who sees their mom treated this way? who hears it when he bashes the fathers? but kids are deaf... they cant hear things even when its behind closed doors....

juliaoceania -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 10:18:56 PM)
reflectivesoul, I think she is talking about sex talk there... perhaps you have never had someone call you their bitch, slut, cunt... yadda yadda yadda... but I have in the past... and it got me excited and was not an insult.. I think she was talking about that... not in general conversation in front of her kids... that is a very large assumption on your part.

Vancouver_cinful -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 10:27:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania I have not seen Stoney as abusive to rose.... In fact I know he has done so much to empower her to be economically independent, to be a firm role model for her children, and to be healthier not just in her weight, but with other bad habits. This is nice to hear, Julia. Most of us who posted here did so out of concern for what we perceived to be a less than healthy situation for a young woman. I know I'm not the only one who would prefer to be wrong in that assessement. [:)] Cin

allyC -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 10:33:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoulok... if you honestly want to sit there and believe that he wouldnt say something nasty to her and those kids thats fine... but if he's willing to talk nasty in a public forum about her and this behavior... I talk on this public forum about all kinds of things I don't talk about in front of my children. What does speaking in a forum have to do with what we do/say around our kids? I never said that he wouldn't say something nasty. I have no idea whether he would or wouldn't. I am not a part of that household so I can't say with any authority whatsoever either way. What I said was that nowhere on this board did either rose or her owner say they talked to their kids like shit and that I don't believe that it is right to imply that they do when you don't know them, you've never been in their home and you don't know anything about their kids. quote: At home... who hears it at home? who hears the "fat" comments? who sees their mom treated this way? who hears it when he bashes the fathers? but kids are deaf... they cant hear things even when its behind closed doors.... So if you have kids, you can't ever say anything you don't want them to hear ever because they just might hear you? Well you might as well not ever have sex in your house or watch a rated R movie while they're sleeping either for that matter, right? My owner calls me all kinds of things. He calls me cunt, whore, slut, bitch, etc. That doesn't mean he does it around children. Your implying that this man or his slave treats their children in this way is appalling to me - especially when you base your conclusions on chat forum posts. I do know this - rose has handled this with far more grace than I would have if people would have ever implied that I or my owner treated my children poorly. I guess I just don't get it. If it is so easy to sit back and decipher all of the details about someone's life from a few posts on a forum then why don't you call Guiness because you've got some serious magic powers there. You (and many others) have drawn conclusions that in my opinion are baseless. I don't necessarily agree with the guy's take on fat people or some of the other things he's said but I certainly don't believe that either he or rose deserve such hateful replies. If people were so genuinely concerned about her situation, I would think they would have handled it compassionately. Well wishes, Cav's ally

Reflectivesoul -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 10:42:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania reflectivesoul, I think she is talking about sex talk there... perhaps you have never had someone call you their bitch, slut, cunt... yadda yadda yadda... but I have in the past... and it got me excited and was not an insult.. I think she was talking about that... not in general conversation in front of her kids... that is a very large assumption on your part. in her own post she said he does that 24/7 ... unless they are having sex 24/7..... shrugs

yourMissTress -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 10:42:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania reflectivesoul, I think she is talking about sex talk there... perhaps you have never had someone call you their bitch, slut, cunt... yadda yadda yadda... but I have in the past... and it got me excited and was not an insult.. I think she was talking about that... not in general conversation in front of her kids... that is a very large assumption on your part. When I said that he called her a whore I wasn't referring to anything in her post, but this line in his post... quote: As she told me her Master , she never had a problem getting what she wanted . Well I will say this , She is right as are most women , If they are willing to lay down they get what they want . I know this sounds harsh but it is true Now, he didn't use the word whore, but that's what I took from it. Saying that "Many men of Stoney's generation speak of women laying down and getting what they deserve..." is bullshit. A time warp doesn't excuse ignorance and bigotry. There are a few other men on this site that are from that same generation, I don't see any of them speaking of or about women in this manner. Again I want to state that these are all her choices. She can be with anyone she wants that treats her in anyway she allows herself to be treated. BUT she has 4 children whose fathers he speaks ill of by both her admission and his words. Deadbeat dads or not, no one should ever denigrate a child's parent. Regardless of the inherent worth of the parent the child comes from that parent, is the flesh and blood of that parent and will believe that they themselves possess the same qualities. This is mental and emotional abuse of these children. Shameful.

Reflectivesoul -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 10:53:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allyC quote: ORIGINAL: Reflectivesoulok... if you honestly want to sit there and believe that he wouldnt say something nasty to her and those kids thats fine... but if he's willing to talk nasty in a public forum about her and this behavior... I talk on this public forum about all kinds of things I don't talk about in front of my children. What does speaking in a forum have to do with what we do/say around our kids? I never said that he wouldn't say something nasty. I have no idea whether he would or wouldn't. I am not a part of that household so I can't say with any authority whatsoever either way. What I said was that nowhere on this board did either rose or her owner say they talked to their kids like shit and that I don't believe that it is right to imply that they do when you don't know them, you've never been in their home and you don't know anything about their kids. quote: At home... who hears it at home? who hears the "fat" comments? who sees their mom treated this way? who hears it when he bashes the fathers? but kids are deaf... they cant hear things even when its behind closed doors.... So if you have kids, you can't ever say anything you don't want them to hear ever because they just might hear you? Well you might as well not ever have sex in your house or watch a rated R movie while they're sleeping either for that matter, right? My owner calls me all kinds of things. He calls me cunt, whore, slut, bitch, etc. That doesn't mean he does it around children. Your implying that this man or his slave treats their children in this way is appalling to me - especially when you base your conclusions on chat forum posts. I do know this - rose has handled this with far more grace than I would have if people would have ever implied that I or my owner treated my children poorly. I guess I just don't get it. If it is so easy to sit back and decipher all of the details about someone's life from a few posts on a forum then why don't you call Guiness because you've got some serious magic powers there. You (and many others) have drawn conclusions that in my opinion are baseless. I don't necessarily agree with the guy's take on fat people or some of the other things he's said but I certainly don't believe that either he or rose deserve such hateful replies. If people were so genuinely concerned about her situation, I would think they would have handled it compassionately. Well wishes, Cav's ally and you have your oppinion and I have mine...... Lemme ask you something.... do you have kids? With someone other than your current SO? Have you ever had someone throw that shit in your face? Have you seen the look on a kids face when they hear about how their natural parent is a bum or a dead beat? Just because something might not be said directly to them doesnt mean they dont hear it. And for her to have children with other people means she had to have atleast cared about that person... do you think it feels good to have it put into your face how your ex's are bums, that they dont want their kids... that someone else has to do for them? Thats My point and I am entitled to it... no one else has to agree or even see my point... that doesnt mean I am going to change it... just like nothing I say is going to change your mind because You have Your point.... bygons...

Reflectivesoul -> RE: subs and slaves weight? (5/23/2006 10:56:34 PM)
quote: Again I want to state that these are all her choices. She can be with anyone she wants that treats her in anyway she allows herself to be treated. BUT she has 4 children whose fathers he speaks ill of by both her admission and his words. Deadbeat dads or not, no one should ever denigrate a child's parent. Regardless of the inherent worth of the parent the child comes from that parent, is the flesh and blood of that parent and will believe that they themselves possess the same qualities. This is mental and emotional abuse of these children. Shameful. Tress, I couldnt agree with you more... maybe you just have magical powers like me huh?

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