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Fightdirecto -> When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 7:50:32 AM)

In Protest Outside Middle School, Anti-Abortion Activists Target Daughter Of Abortion Clinic’s Landlord
Anti-abortion protesters target clinic’s landlord outside child’s Maryland school

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Antiabortion activists who have sought for months to shut down a Germantown, Maryland clinic picketed outside a Montgomery County middle school where his daughter is a student, school and police officials said Monday...

The student’s father, who did not want to be named to protect the safety of his daughter, a sixth-grader at the school, said he saw the five protesters when he went to the school.

Some held a large banner that showed his photo, his full name, his phone number and the words “Please STOP the Child Killing.” Others held posters showing aborted fetuses.

The man owns the property in the Germantown office park where LeRoy Carhart has been performing abortions late in a pregnancy at the privately owned Reproductive Health Services clinic. Antiabortion protesters have repeatedly demonstrated outside the clinic since Carhart arrived in Maryland in December. Carhart is one of the few doctors in the country who openly acknowledges performing the procedure.

The clinic’s landlord said he explained the situation to his daughter and his son, a freshman at nearby Thomas S. Wootton High School, and reassured them that they were safe. Neither child was named in the posters or the banner.

But he said he is furious that the protests targeted his daughter’s school. Both children use their father’s last name.

“It’s horribly outrageous that they’re going out in front of a middle school,” he said. “It is way crossing the line. I very much respect the right of the protesters to do so in front of the clinic, or the steps of Capitol Hill, or the courthouse. But in front of a middle school is really not an appropriate place to do anything except protest for better teacher wages or the school budget.”

“The idea that a group of protesters would target a school because the child of someone they are targeting attends the school...is fairly despicable.” Montgomery County schools spokeswoman Lesli Maxwell said.

Jack Ames, director of a regional antiabortion group called Defend Life, said his group organized the protest at the school because it was a “very good public venue.”...Ames said the landlord, whose father operated a College Park abortion clinic that was firebombed in the 1980s, was a part-owner of the clinic and should not be allowed to “hide under this cloak of anonymity.”

Targeting people only tangentially related to abortion clinics has become a new favorite tactic of activists determined to shut down operations. In California, anti-abortion protesters recently forced a Planned Parenthood clinic to move by bullying Enterprise-Rent-A-Car into reneging on its contract to provide the center with the parking spots it needs to satisfy local zoning regulations.

The average age of a 6th grade student is 12 years old.

This 12 year old girl does not perform abortions, she does not work in the clinic, she does not own the building where the clinic rents space (her dad does) - is she a legitimate target for anti-abortion protestors?

Suppose she was not a 6th grader, but a 1st grader (age 6) or a kindergarten student (age 5) - should she be a legitimate target for anti-abortion protestors?




MstrDouglas -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 8:17:38 AM)

this will open the debate as to what age the constitutional rights of a person actually take effect, as well as why a child (or a school full of children in this case) should be subjected to this kind of treatment. I submit that the father and the building are fair game, but they have overstepped their right to protest when it is in front of a school, any school. The children have no more power over their parents decisions and lives than anybody else does. So why open them up to attacks by others, I would think this would fall under the anti-bullying stance and rules of most schools and communities.
I personally think that schools should be off limits for things like this.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 8:25:33 AM)

Obviously this is horribly wrong, but based on the WBC Supreme Court decision, it may not be illegal, at least as long as they stay off school grounds.
I am very good friends with a relative of George Tiller. We spend a lot of time discussing the anti choice movement and their tactics. Ironically, I think they will soon achieve their aim politically, and with far more success than their terrorist tactics have ever achieved.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 9:58:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

We spend a lot of time discussing the anti choice movement and their tactics. Ironically, I think they will soon achieve their aim politically, and with far more success than their terrorist tactics have ever achieved.


Dont worry, the anti-life movement is safe for many years.




subrob1967 -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 10:17:09 AM)

This protest is on par with some of PETA's  protests in the past... It's despicable, and heinous.




tazzygirl -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 10:29:45 AM)

A Late term abortion Doctor... definitely a controversial job. But I find it hard to believe that is the only service the man provides.

Still, he should have known that being so public about what he is doing would have consequences.

No arrests were made, the police were in attendance at the protest.

I am pro-choice. I feel schools should definitely be off limits. However, as long as the group acts within the boundaries of the law, there isnt much that can be done.

Dont like the protests? Change the laws and make them illegal.




Arpig -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 10:51:26 AM)

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When does protesting vs. abortion go too far?
When it begins.




ricken -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:03:38 AM)

I get people have a right to protest and try to push their ideas on other people, this is way over the line. There are school children that are being subjected to this that have NOTHING to do with these issues at all. I would think it might also upset the smaller children and disrupt classes, just way too wrong on the protesters part.
If they want to protest in front of the clinic, fine.
I'm mixed about the issue itself....I'm against abortion, but believe it needs to be kept legal and safe.




LaTigresse -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:13:46 AM)

I do not like abortion but I really REALLY wish those that oppose it would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.




SternSkipper -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:23:32 AM)

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Antiabortion activists who have sought for months to shut down a Germantown, Maryland clinic picketed outside a Montgomery County middle school where his daughter is a student, school and police officials said Monday...

The student’s father, who did not want to be named to protect the safety of his daughter, a sixth-grader at the school, said he saw the five protesters when he went to the school.

Some held a large banner that showed his photo, his full name, his phone number and the words “Please STOP the Child Killing.” Others held posters showing aborted fetuses.


I hope to god this 'landlord' fellow has the good sense and decency to make sure these motherfuckers are completely bankrupted in a civil case, even if it means going after them as individuals





DanaYielding -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:23:53 AM)

I'm with you LaTigresse. While I do consider myself to be a pro-lifer. I condemn the tactics of this group as heinous, and outrageous.
What if this girl decides to harm herself because of this unwarranted pressure tactic? IT IS BULLYING and I say ARREST THEM FOR TARGETING A JUVENILE, especially one who has no control over the situation.




tazzygirl -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:44:15 AM)

This wasnt during school hours, but at night during an event.




SternSkipper -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:46:26 AM)

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This protest is on par with some of PETA's protests in the past... It's despicable, and heinous


Other than that, did you have a good time there?





Hillwilliam -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:46:34 AM)

I put these protestors right up there with the Westboro assholes.




Aylee -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:47:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I do not like abortion but I really REALLY wish those that oppose it would put their money and efforts into programmes that make it unnecessary, instead of making themselves as offensive as humanly possible.


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This wasnt during school hours, but at night during an event.


I am not sure that makes me feel any better.




Lucylastic -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:50:54 AM)

On Monday, the first day of school, protesters stood at the entrance of Robert Frost Middle School with graphic posters of aborted fetuses.
Some also held banners with the landlord’s picture, his full name, his phone number and the words “Please STOP the Child Killing.” The landlord was understandably furious, as his daughter shares his last name and could be connected with him through the posters:
Antiabortion activists who have sought for months to shut down a Germantown clinic picketed its landlord outside a Montgomery County middle school where his daughter is a student, school and police officials said Monday.
A small group of protesters stood outside Robert Frost Middle School in Rockville on Thursday, holding signs and a banner, during back-to-school night, officials said.

seems it was at a morning and at an evening event...what wonderful people they are, the epitomy of ignorant arrogance.




SternSkipper -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 11:58:53 AM)

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I put these protestors right up there with the Westboro assholes.


It IS pretty typically westboro/branch davidian shit .... What cracks me up is that it's only about the kids for some people. The landowner who rented a commercial property probably had no choice when it came to renting to the agency. You can't really discriminate against legitimate non-profits and social welfare agencies due to the clientele that flows through.
  I would hit these guys with all the civil fury I could afford to dish out INCLUDING going after a summary judgement to lock up their funds, if they have any.




SternSkipper -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 12:02:12 PM)

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A small group of protesters stood outside Robert Frost Middle School in Rockville on Thursday, holding signs and a banner, during back-to-school night, officials said.


Another thing that kills me is these assholes get a lot of media attention, which is why they do it. And you have a very legitimate fairly important protest going on around the bull on Wall Street, and they're nearly blacked out. The media doesn't have a liberal bias, it has a FREAKSHOW BIAS.





LadyPact -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 12:05:04 PM)

Personally, I find the tactic a little disgusting.  Of course, that's pretty much the way that I see it anytime grown people feel the need to try to use a child for their own political purposes.  If you're not big enough to take on the grown up you've got a problem with, and choose to go after a kid because they are "weaker" it just shows Me exactly what kind of human beings are in favor of your cause.




SternSkipper -> RE: When does protesting vs. abortion go too far? (9/20/2011 12:05:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

This wasnt during school hours, but at night during an event.

I am not sure that makes me feel any better.


Yeah cause they'll argue it is non-specific in their targeting (BECAUSE THEY MAY BE PRO-LIFE BUT THEY ARE ALSO FUCKING INVERTEBRATES!). Yet ODDLY, the whole world knows who is the target of the protests still. I'm not impressed with their 'sobriety'.





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