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Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/21/2011 12:54:19 PM   
NiceGuyNihilist


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My job requires all employees, regardless of fitness level, to check in with a health coach at least every three months in order to get a reduced insurance rate. I like to think of myself as physical self-discipline personified, so I naturally resented this from the beginning. The first time I called my assigned coach, who happened to be a woman, I arrogantly took immediate control of the conversation, declaring that I was going to describe my exercise and nutrition regimen down to the last rep and gram, and she would then be free to suggest any improvements that came to mind. As if you could possibly have any, my tone implied. I was like that every time, and sometimes even sarcastic. God, was I a prick. I could always tell she just wanted to be done with me.

Yesterday, I tried a Crossfit class for the first time. For anyone who doesn't know, Crossfit is a group exercise regimen that involves powerlifting, explosive bodyweight exercises, sprinting, kettlebells, rowing, and more--pretty much something from every category of exercise. The goal is to produce the most well-rounded human machine possible. The workout I did involved 50 kettlebell swings, 50 box jumps, 50 medicine ball tosses--then 40 of each, 30 of each, 20 of each, and finally 10 of each, ideally with no rest at all. It kicked my ass. I sucked more than almost anybody. My pride made me push through a great deal of the pain, but eventually I felt I had to stop and rest or have a heart attack. Once, while I was sucking wind while the kettlebell rested on the floor at my feet, the coach came by and asked how many reps I had left in this cycle. Five, I said.

"Okay, five more--now," she said briskly, pointing at the infernal weight.

A part of me wanted to leap up and say, "How dare you insinuate that I'm not fully applying myself?" But then I realized I hadn't been; if I'd really wanted to, I could have pushed through the last five reps, and I wouldn't have come close to dying from it. I did as she told me--I submitted--and knew, however much I wanted to hate myself for it, that I was better off because of her discipline. And then, it was as if a switch flipped. Having been forced to see myself honestly, I now wanted to give full reign to the part of me that craves a woman's control. Please walk be me again, I thought, almost against my will, every time I'd given all I thought I had and stood with my pulse pounding in my head. It felt good to yield, to be made to face myself honestly, even if the woman had no idea what was going on.

I'm like this a lot with submission--very ambivalent. Anyone else?


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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/21/2011 6:40:21 PM   
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No, not even slightly ambivalent. I love submitting, and it seems that the less I like whatever I am submitting to the more I love submitting to it. I'm majorly messed up, I know it, but that's just the way I am.

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/21/2011 6:44:17 PM   
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In a way, that's lucky.
If I had it in my mind I hate doing something, then no dom can make me feel like doing it.
And if I was force to do it constantly, that relationship will probably not last.

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/21/2011 7:15:03 PM   
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I don't like being forced to do anything. I get no enjoyment from doing things I absolutely hate. I do those things anyway because I like knowing he's happy and satisfied and because it's what I agreed to.



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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/21/2011 8:34:22 PM   
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And if I was force to do it constantly, that relationship will probably not last.
I never mentioned being forced. I am not forced to do anything, I submit to it.  She doesn't threaten me or punish me for disobedience because I don't disobey. If I have a major enough issue with something she wants that I seriously don't want to do it I say so and we discuss it and she decides what to do about it. If she says do it anyway, I do. And so far she has always been right, while I may have disliked the actual thing, I have loved doing it/having it done. It's a messed up form of masochism I guess.

If ever she requires something that I simply cannot do, then I use my veto and the power dynamic ends, and we are just kinky lovers.

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/21/2011 8:38:02 PM   
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because it's what I agreed to.
I feel exactly the same way. I made a deal. I just happen to get my ya yas doing it as well. 

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/21/2011 9:39:36 PM   
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I'm not forced to do anything.
I've found that I take great joy in doing anything that he wants.
Sometimes the most depraved thing he does turns me on the most.
Must be that love thing affecting me again.

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/22/2011 4:55:47 AM   
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. If she says do it anyway, I do. And so far she has always been right, while I may have disliked the actual thing, I have loved doing it/having it done. It's a messed up form of masochism I guess.

Well this is what i'm talking about. Like if I said I dislike it, and if my dom say, do it anyway, I'd be hella unhappy and if the whole relationship consist of mostly doing everything I dislike, it wouldn't last for me, because I guess I'd just be super super unhappy. But for you, you are able to get happiness out of it, so that's what I mean by lucky.


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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/22/2011 5:48:21 AM   
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The gym I'm going to join next week has CrossFit - thanks for the tip.

I'm a yoga teacher and we constantly warn people not to be competitive. Men tend to have a real problem with this. It's a good springboard for a discussion of the yogic principle of Ahimsa - non-violence, in this case, do no harm to yourself.

That being said, when I give a private yoga class to a guy who thinks yoga is for wimps, I just love making him sweat.

Now as to craving what I thought I hated - this exactly describes how I feel about clover clamps!

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/22/2011 6:52:49 AM   
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I still do not love exercise for the sake of exercise but my body loves it and I love the outcome.

I thought I hated all cooked greens, then I had some really amazingly cooked bok choy and now I crave it.

Life isn't stagnant and neither are we. I find I am constantly evolving and growing (unfortunately in more ways than one) and I actually embrace that.

There was a time when I was too insecure to be the woman I am today. I was miserable but hated the very idea of being the one responsible. I grew into the maturity that is enabling me to be the woman I was terrified of being, but miserable not being.


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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/22/2011 9:34:41 AM   
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Master does not force me to do anything.Whatever he wants even if i dislike it i do because i want to keep him happy and pleased with me.  So even it is something i don't like if he wants it it gets doen it is as easy as that.  The only thing Master forces me to do is calm down when i get upset over little stupid things (nothing in our relationship just life in general).  I tend to get that way.  It is not even really force but he does calm me down.

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/22/2011 10:42:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

That being said, when I give a private yoga class to a guy who thinks yoga is for wimps, I just love making him sweat.



Well, when I tried yoga, I fucking fell asleep! All that slow-deep-breathing shit made me feel like my body was getting flabbier just for spite. Afterward, I had to go watch the first three Rambo movies back-to-back to feel I'd regained some paltry sliver of my former manhood.
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Okay, so may I take a class from you now? *blink* *blink*


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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/23/2011 3:40:21 AM   
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The less I want something, the more appealing it is for it to happen to me.

Of course there are limits, but for the most part it's just an aid to the feeling of helplessness with a dom.

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/23/2011 3:50:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NiceGuyNihilist

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

That being said, when I give a private yoga class to a guy who thinks yoga is for wimps, I just love making him sweat.



Well, when I tried yoga, I fucking fell asleep! All that slow-deep-breathing shit made me feel like my body was getting flabbier just for spite. Afterward, I had to go watch the first three Rambo movies back-to-back to feel I'd regained some paltry sliver of my former manhood.
...

Okay, so may I take a class from you now? *blink* *blink*



I vote you take a class with my yoga instructor. The bitch is a sadist. One of the sweetest, most apologetic sadists I've ever met, but a sadist none the less. At work I do not call it my yoga class, I call it my pretzel class. Plus she encorporates some pilates into it which I have a real love hate relationship with.

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/23/2011 5:45:15 AM   
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Lol!

I normally recommend yoga noobs start with Gentle, Beginner, or Restorative classes, but in your case suggest you start with Vinyasa and work up to Power or Ashtanga Yoga. Health Club yoga classes tend to be more cardiovascular, unless specifically designated as the first categories. The quality of yoga instruction at gyms can be hit or miss - you might get a step instructor with a weekend of yoga teacher training.

You could also borrow a friend's P90X yoga DVD - I guarantee it will kick your ass and you will be a better man for it. (Note - they don't expect you to get through the whole 90 minutes the first time.)

http://www.amandakjones.com/p90x-yoga-stop-whining-and-just-do-it.php

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/23/2011 7:55:33 AM   
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Or this: http://livefitnessnow.com/hate-p90x-yoga-x-replace-it-with-fountain-of-youth/ $19.95. Check out the move at 0:22!

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/23/2011 8:37:08 AM   
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Funny this came up, it had nothing to do with submitting(or maybe it does without me realizing it) but with pain, in a similar sort of turn around. Some time ago I started going to an electrolysis technician, for cosmetic hair removal. I really wanted the unsightly hair removed, but loathed needles and the experience of being burned by dozens of little needle pricks isn't a pleasent thing. I really had to nerve myself up for each visit, and it was getting to the point I would almost rather live with a little unsightly hair then go back. Then my entire perception changed, I thought "Why can't I treat this like a needle play session under a dom instead of a cosmetic proceedure?"

That's all it took, a skew of perception, and it became an entirely different experience, one I actually enjoy and find relaxing now, oddly. The technician has also noticed my change too, I use to turn white knuckled halfway through, and she would always stop to ask if I was okay or needed to pause. Now she never has to ask because half the time I'm almost asleep while she does it. I doubt she has any idea what changed.

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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/23/2011 10:13:22 AM   
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Funny this came up, it had nothing to do with submitting(or maybe it does without me realizing it) but with pain, in a similar sort of turn around. Some time ago I started going to an electrolysis technician, for cosmetic hair removal. I really wanted the unsightly hair removed, but loathed needles and the experience of being burned by dozens of little needle pricks isn't a pleasent thing. I really had to nerve myself up for each visit, and it was getting to the point I would almost rather live with a little unsightly hair then go back. Then my entire perception changed, I thought "Why can't I treat this like a needle play session under a dom instead of a cosmetic proceedure?"

That's all it took, a skew of perception, and it became an entirely different experience, one I actually enjoy and find relaxing now, oddly. The technician has also noticed my change too, I use to turn white knuckled halfway through, and she would always stop to ask if I was okay or needed to pause. Now she never has to ask because half the time I'm almost asleep while she does it. I doubt she has any idea what changed.


It sounds like you're at least a little like me in that the knowledge--or even the fantasy--that your pain pleases its deliverer increases your capacity for it. It almost frightens me to think of how much suffering I might be able to withstand if a woman I admired only said, "Do you have any idea how much I enjoy this?"


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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/23/2011 11:07:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ShadedSilhouette

The less I want something, the more appealing it is for it to happen to me.

Of course there are limits, but for the most part it's just an aid to the feeling of helplessness with a dom.


I notice you're the only other guy who's responded so far, and you pretty much seem to be on my wavelength. Maybe there's a common difference between male submission and female submission here?

I see a difference between being forced to do something which both you and the dominant woman know is good for you (intense exercise, in my case) and, say, being made to drink her piss. (Well, who knows? It's possible there is some nutritional or psychological value in consuming a woman's urine. I am not well versed in such matters.) What makes the personal training thing such a turn-on for me is the knowledge--which I know my trainer shares--that there's no way I'd push my body so near its limit if left to my own devices. That's a blow to my male pride, but it's an ironic one, because the same relentless dominance that humbles me now will strengthen me later, when my body recovers and I come back harder, leaner, more aggressive than before. She debases me now to exalt me in the long run.

Is that what's going through her mind? Almost certainly not. She gets paid to do a job and does it well. But just the thought that such a relationship is possible makes my heart race, makes me wish, makes me fantasize. It's almost enough to make me want to make this dynamic the basis for a whole relationship. I don't think that'd be completely crazy, for a man and a woman who both consider physical fitness to be the most important thing in life.


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RE: Realizing you really crave what you thought you hated - 9/23/2011 4:57:06 PM   
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It sounds like you're at least a little like me in that the knowledge--or even the fantasy--that your pain pleases its deliverer increases your capacity for it. It almost frightens me to think of how much suffering I might be able to withstand if a woman I admired only said, "Do you have any idea how much I enjoy this?"


Mmm, I'm going through this now. We're in a very positive feedback loop :)

I've also noticed how much more I am willing to endure for him.

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