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LondonLenny -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (9/24/2011 3:19:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Dreamscaper27

But Roch, you are a guy, and not as perty as I am. Just a thought, but I get followed no matter what stores I go into (both by customer service _and_ by customers), unless I am dressed like a freakin hobo, and in that case, mexicans follow me around and compliment me on my damned PJs.



I dont half go for snoby birds like you Dreamscraper, specally ones whove got a bit of meat an muscel on them. Look me up if you come to London and you could be lucky enogh to be staring at me mum's kitchen cieling one night if you know what I mean! [;)][;)][;)]



ElanSubdued -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (9/24/2011 3:58:05 PM)

Lucylastic,

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ElanSubdued:
A small correction.  Actually, you want to by a lock...


Oops.  I meant BUY a lock.

quote:

ElanSubdued:
There's nothing quite as frustrating as a tight hole you can't get into.

Lucylastic:
squeals, it is interesting watching someone try tho :)
And I don't necessarily mean the lock diam


*feigns innocence, but with authenticity!*

Multifaceted interpretation is entirely up to the reader. :-)



Lucylastic -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (9/24/2011 4:02:38 PM)

hehehheheh:)



ChicagoAmy -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/2/2011 12:12:27 PM)

We use zip ties that I mark with nail polish in a way that I can tell if he took it off and tried to reproduce the mark. Occasionally we use a metal lock and he takes the key with him and I mark it with a marker and tape on a piece of paper.



xxblushesxx -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/2/2011 1:12:09 PM)

FR: Aside from the hotness factor, isn't the best lock the Mistress'es orders not to touch it or take it off? I probably should have read the whole thread, but I've been thinking this since it started. Are men incapable of controlling their urges to touch themselves, even when they put themselves under the control of another?
If this is about the hotness of being locked up I can see that. But if it's about having control over a man, I'd expect my word to be obeyed, even when it came to his cock.



LookieNoNookie -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/2/2011 2:03:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dreamscaper27

My slave is concerned he'll be able to remove the lock that is advertised on the device. Are there any good locks that are non-compromising as far as integrity?

I've picked out a decent belt, just want to know of a good lock for the belt--one that will fit that can't be cut off.

Thanks in advance!


Arc welding is very effective, but can occasionally cause permanent damage to the device.



hardbodysub -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/3/2011 1:41:42 PM)

I have three comments in regard to this discussion:

1. I believe that any padlock that fits a trapped ball chastity device (TBD) is vulnerable to being cut off. Some full belt devices are designed so that the shackle of the padlock is covered when it is locked on the device, so that you would have to damage the device itself to take it off. I don't know of any TBDs that have this feature.

2. Since either the lock or the device itself could be cut off, the primary concern is that the device can't be removed without the keyholder knowing about it. If the sub isn't skilled at lock picking, there shouldn't be a problem. If he cuts it off, the keyholder will know, because the lock is destroyed. If you're concerned that he can open the lock without destroying it, that's a different situation.

In that case, you need some way to know that the lock was removed. I don't see how dripping wax on the lock would help with that. Wax could be broken accidentally. Also, unless the keyholder uses a seal to imprint the wax, what's to stop the sub from dripping new wax on the lock to cover up his transgression? There are two good solutions: (a) Apply security tape over the lock hole. This tape can't be removed without being broken, and it is available with numbers printed on it, so that it can't be replaced without the keyholder knowing about it. (b) The numbered plastic single-use padlocks/security seals also serve this purpose. Removing them essentially destroys them, so they can't be replaced surreptitiously. Ironically, the plastic locks seem much less secure, because they're obviously easy to cut off. However, they can't be opened and then replaced, so they may actually be more "secure" for the intended purpose.

3. The obtuseness of people unable to understand the attraction the rest of us feel toward physical enforcement, including inescapable bondage in various forms, is rather astounding. It's not that hard to understand. Physical control/enforcement/coercion creates feelings of true helplessness, of being controlled, which to many people is very exciting, and leads to more submissive emotion than without. People who prefer absolute obedience, rather than any force, consistently display an attitude of superiority, despite the occasional inclusion of a disclaimer that "your kink isn't mine, but it's still OK". What they really seem to be saying most of the time is "I have to pay lip service to your right to enjoy your own kink, but mine is clearly better and more twue." When the OP is clearly focused on physical enforcement, and asks for help with that, there's no valid reason to hijack the thread by posting about how you prefer obedience instead. Such posts appear clueless at best, and arrogant at worst.




xxblushesxx -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/3/2011 2:11:38 PM)

HBS, in case you did not notice, or you chose not to notice, I added at the beginning of my question "aside from the hotness factor"... I would have welcomed an intelligent discussion along those lines because I was honestly curious. The name calling was both unnecessary and rude. I, in fact, do enjoy bondage, but if I were instructed not to do something, it wouldn't take locks to enforce it. (unless there is chocolate involved)  



hardbodysub -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/5/2011 11:26:23 AM)

xxblushesxx, I started writing my post before your first one was up, so mine had nothing to do with yours. And there wasn't name calling in my post any more than there was in yours.

What's unnecessary and rude, IMO, is the inevitable thread-hijacking that occurs virtually every time someone tries to start a discussion about making a chastity device more secure. Almost without exception, someone will barge in and say that a sub shouldn't try to escape, etc., etc., etc. It's like a broken record - if anyone here is old enough to remember what that really means ;-). It's all well and good if somebody prefers unenforced obedience to secure bondage or enforced chastity. However, if they want to get into that discussion, they should start their own thread instead of muddying up the water in someone else's conversation that is aimed precisely in the opposite direction.



Rochsub2009 -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/5/2011 2:13:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

What's unnecessary and rude, IMO, is the inevitable thread-hijacking that occurs virtually every time someone tries to start a discussion about making a chastity device more secure. Almost without exception, someone will barge in and say that a sub shouldn't try to escape, etc., etc., etc. ......they should start their own thread instead of muddying up the water in someone else's conversation that is aimed precisely in the opposite direction.


HBS,
I understand what you're saying, but I think it's an unrealistic expectation in a public forum.  People come from different backgrounds, and have very different experiences.  So their comments are going to reflect their own perspective.

I was one of the people who commented that her orders should be sufficient.  But I don't think I took a "holier than thou" approach.  Nor was I trying to derail the thread.  I just have a very different experience in my relationships.

When Peon pointed out that they were probably looking for the appearance of inescapability, I completely understood.  But it wasn't my first thought, because I would never try to escape if my Domme told me not to.

But the same thing happens on just about every thread on this board.  Every time someone says that they don't allow their subs to have a safe word, people will chime in and say that you have to allow safewords.  Anytime someone says they enjoy BDSM in public, others will chime in and say that you shouldn't expose the vanillas to your kink.  And God forbid that someone should say that they're a Gorean.  The folks on here are going to rip them a new asshole.

Frankly, neither group is right, and neither is wrong.  It's just a matter of perspective.

My point is that I can completely understand your perspective.  Moreover, I respect it.  But being one of the offenders that you described, I can honestly say that our (or at least my) motives are not necessarily as malevolent as you seem to imply.

Frankly, this thread is no different than any other thread on this board.  I think the topic just hit closer to home for you.  [;)]



hardbodysub -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/6/2011 8:11:00 AM)

No, Rochsub, that's not quite it. The truth is that there is a double standard at work. I'm not saying that malevolent intent is involved, but that the willing, compliant, obedient sub-loving crowd take more liberty in diverting discussions than their counterparts.

Those who are into complete willing submission and total obedience are free to hijack any discussion at all, even when the OP is clearly about force, inescapable bondage, or physical helplessness, and specifically looking for advice along those lines. And there is often an attitude of superiority that goes along with the hijacking. Sometimes it's blatant, sometimes subtle, but often present.

If someone who's into force and physical control did the same thing in a discussion about willing obedience, they'd be tarred and feathered.




Rochsub2009 -> RE: ideas on locks for male chastity belts (10/6/2011 8:21:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hardbodysub

If someone who's into force and physical control did the same thing in a discussion about willing obedience, they'd be tarred and feathered.



Perhaps you're right.  I don't know.  But I think that if people like yourself, who are into force and physical control, chime in to share their experience, then that's probably the best you can hope for.  You really can't stop others from posting.  That's just the reality of the internet.

Keep fighting the good fight.
-Roch



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