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Aneirin -> Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 10:49:06 AM)
Now I know according to some I might look too deep into some stuff, but that is me, and I can't change it, but the 1984 David Lynch movie based upon Frank Herbert's novel Dune for those that have seen it and love it can you see the relgiousity in it, and a religiousity that appears to amalgamate the Middle East with Christianity ? Now I know the movie was pants at the box office, and Lynch blamed various things and the fact that the movie does not follow the novel very closely, but do you think that what was portrayed was just a piece of unusual entertainment, or there was something else hidden within ?

SternSkipper -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 10:54:38 AM)
quote: Now I know the movie was pants at the box office, and Lynch blamed various things and the fact that the movie does not follow the novel very closely, but do you think that what was portrayed was just a piece of unusual entertainment, or there was something else hidden within ? After reading Dune and it's sister novels. I was disappointed. And maybe it was the fact that David Lynch was the purveyor is why it is so fucking hard for me to put my finger on what stunk. But it did, and with a few exceptions, to high heaven. May Lynch stay the fuck out of science fiction forever.

Aneirin -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 11:03:43 AM)
One thing I do know about the original Dune despite the fact that it was highly inaccurate, was it was more artisticly extravagant in comparison to the TV series, but even the movie as was seen back in 1984 several times appeared to be missing something, a something which was later revealed when I viewed the director's cut, but even then it could have been better and more in tune with the actual novel which I believe the tv series nearly was. But a pity Giger was too expensive. Even though, even with the 1984 movie, can you see what is hidden in the prose ?

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 11:03:56 AM)
All I could see was Kyle McLachlan. My ex husband went to school with him, and kept commenting that when they were kids, Kyle threw like a girl.

Aylee -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 11:08:05 AM)
Wow. Religion in Dune? With all those Bene Gesserit running around how could you even think that.

Aylee -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 11:11:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin Even though, even with the 1984 movie, can you see what is hidden in the prose ? A lot of sexuality? The men rode giant penises that had mouths like giant vaginas WITH TEETH! Paul and the Reverend Mother appear to have orgasms during the Gom Jabber test. Need I go on? "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration."

SternSkipper -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 11:13:37 AM)
quote: All I could see was Kyle McLachlan. My ex husband went to school with him, and kept commenting that when they were kids, Kyle threw like a girl. Yep ... he blew forever any shot he had at doing a baseball movie

SternSkipper -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 11:18:06 AM)
quote: The men rode giant penises that had mouths like giant vaginas WITH TEETH! Fuck ... does that ever give a guy a creepy sensation in the boxers

Aylee -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 11:35:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: The men rode giant penises that had mouths like giant vaginas WITH TEETH! Fuck ... does that ever give a guy a creepy sensation in the boxers SternSkipper: What's in the box? Reverend Mother Aylee: Pain.

Marc2b -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 12:33:20 PM)
The Dune novels were amongst the first adult novels that I started reading as a young teenager. They opened me up to a whole new way of thinking and looking at the world. I was really excited about the movie going in to the theater. When I came back out... I would have been quite capable of murdering David Lynch had he been standing in front of me. The Sci-Fi channel mini-series was an improvement but still fell far short of the books. Movies rarely equal the books they are based upon (the two media are just too different from each other) but in the case of Dune, I think it is impossible to translate onto the screen. The Dune books are just to rich, to detailed, for them to ever work on screen.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 1:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b The Dune novels were amongst the first adult novels that I started reading as a young teenager. They opened me up to a whole new way of thinking and looking at the world. I was really excited about the movie going in to the theater. When I came back out... I would have been quite capable of murdering David Lynch had he been standing in front of me. The Sci-Fi channel mini-series was an improvement but still fell far short of the books. Movies rarely equal the books they are based upon (the two media are just too different from each other) but in the case of Dune, I think it is impossible to translate onto the screen. The Dune books are just to rich, to detailed, for them to ever work on screen. You'll get to see whether thats right in a couple of years...2014 filming. Lynch's turned into a vehicle to capitalize on Sting's popularity at the time, nothing more. He had a pretty minor role but was all over the trailers.

DomKen -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 1:10:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b The Dune novels were amongst the first adult novels that I started reading as a young teenager. They opened me up to a whole new way of thinking and looking at the world. I was really excited about the movie going in to the theater. When I came back out... I would have been quite capable of murdering David Lynch had he been standing in front of me. This. The movie was like it had been written and directed by people who had only vaguely heard about the setting and plot of the novel.

paulmcuk -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 1:14:32 PM)
It's been a while but I seem to recall the Fremen having very middle-eastern overtones - fairly predictable with all that sand I guess. I don't remember any mention of an actual deity in either books or film though. There were religious-type sects and prophecies but any mystical powers seemed to be acknowledged to come from the spice, training or genetics. The Bene Gesserit's quest for the Quisatch Hadderach (sp?) was a breeding programme, so closer to Darwinian principles than to divine intervention. The film is one of those that I have a soft spot for despite being all too aware of its shortcomings. The Space Guild navigator, at least, was realised far better than how it's described in the book. Anyway, I would like to see someone take a run at it with modern CGI, a big budget and twice the runtime.

SternSkipper -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 1:17:05 PM)
quote: SternSkipper: What's in the box? I'll show you next time you come to Gloucester

Aylee -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 1:42:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: paulmcuk It's been a while but I seem to recall the Fremen having very middle-eastern overtones - Bedouin and South African actually. quote: fairly predictable with all that sand I guess. I don't remember any mention of an actual deity in either books or film though. Look up the Missionaria Protectiva. Check out Leto II as well. Alia is interesting as well. quote: There were religious-type sects and prophecies but any mystical powers seemed to be acknowledged to come from the spice, training or genetics. The Bene Gesserit were formed between the Butlerian Jihad and the production of the Orange Catholic Bible. quote: The Bene Gesserit's quest for the Quisatch Hadderach (sp?) Kwisatz Haderach. Not a quest as such. They are actively creating him. However, he arrives a generation early. quote: was a breeding programme, so closer to Darwinian principles than to divine intervention. Oh HELL no. Not even close to Darwin. Keep in mind that the Bene have precise physiological control of their bodies. NOT random at all. Remember what happened to Baron Harkonnen? It is not nice to rape Mohiam. quote: The film is one of those that I have a soft spot for despite being all too aware of its shortcomings. The Space Guild navigator, at least, was realised far better than how it's described in the book. Anyway, I would like to see someone take a run at it with modern CGI, a big budget and twice the runtime. 6 hours? You are MAD! MAD I tell you!

Rule -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 2:23:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Marc2b The Dune novels were amongst the first adult novels that I started reading as a young teenager. They opened me up to a whole new way of thinking and looking at the world. I was really excited about the movie going in to the theater. When I came back out... I would have been quite capable of murdering David Lynch had he been standing in front of me. I took a bunch of neighbors to that movie. When it was done I was ashamed because of the wreck it was. They had tried to push the entire book into the movie. They would have done better to limit themselves to one chapter. And the worms... They were abysmal failures.

Marc2b -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 2:33:35 PM)
I never realized how many Dune fans we have around here. I'd love to get into a good long discussion about Dune but, unfortunately, I have to go down to the cabin in the woods and spend the weekend dominating my gal pal. Oh well... [:)] I hope everybody has a nice weekend.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 2:42:42 PM)
I read all of the original Dune novels in my youth as well. "Dune" was by far the most interesting and complex book I had ever read up til that point, and sill ranks right up there. And it is a book that makes you think. It incorporates so much in all the realms of human endeavor and beliefs that it literally can overload the mind with possibilities if you dwell on it. However, all of the later books just simply sucked. Herbert's son (with some help for Kenneth J. Anderson) has written a series of prequels that are better than any of the other books (except for Dune itself, of course). Religion and belief is a strong component of all of the Frank Herbet books. Less so in the prequels. Firm

Hillwilliam -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 2:42:53 PM)
Maybe a Dune thread should be started in "off topic"?

Rule -> RE: Dune by David Lynch (9/23/2011 3:01:15 PM)
Maybe, but this thread is about religiosity in the movie 'Dune'. Well ... of course there is Muad Dib, the desert mouse, who in our world does represent one of the pagan gods, according to my interpretation. I do not think that either the author nor the director knew about that, though.

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