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Transgendered

I empathise with those who identify as transgendered

63% (26)

I don't understand transgendered individuals and think it's messed up

2% (1)

I don't understand transgendered individuals, but to each their own

24% (10)

Other (please elaborate)

9% (4)

Total Votes : 41

(last vote on : 9/30/2011 4:45:46 PM)
(Poll ended: 9/30/2011 11:59:00 PM)

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RE: Transgendered - 9/26/2011 11:03:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

How do you view those individuals who see themselves as being biologically the wrong gender?

It depends. If they are cool, that's how I view them.. if they are assholes, then that's how I view them.

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Do you have empathy for their struggles?

Not so much. Everyone has struggles of some sort or another. If I know them personally, I will offer my friendship and support but other than that, there are many things much more important in this world to me than the problems of complete strangers.

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Or do you find you just can't comprehend it?

I find that I don't much care unless I know them. I don't know what there is to comprehend either. I don't view gender as what lies between the legs but what lies in the head and heart. I respect self-description in that regard and if someone refers to themselves as a particular gender I will use the pronouns which they deem suitable as it just doesn't matter to me.

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Does anyone find it's going against nature?

Nature is without morals, focus or motive so I find very little 'goes against nature'.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/27/2011 3:09:41 AM

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RE: Transgendered - 9/27/2011 10:06:29 AM

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I am sympathetic that they are in this difficult position. But since it's so alien to my viewpoint I would not classify my emotions as empathetic.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/27/2011 12:05:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: AneNoz

I thank you for that.

I have spoken with my Grandmother, and she says that I am correct that a person being transgendered is indeed a result of the will of the Gods, but that I have misplaced the desire. It is the fact that the gender within the mind that is the intended gender, and what is to be accepted is that gender, despite the physical gender. That is but a result of an error in the chances of the mechanisms of reproduction. Thus, I was wrong to consider the surgery to reassign the sex as an altering. It is but the appearance of the body that is altered and not it's essential nature, thus the transgendered one remains a female with a male body (or of course the inverse of such), it is only that the appearance of the body has been made to more closely resemble the body that is within the mind, and that the body within the mind is the true body as it was intended to be.

It would be to make the transgendered one reject the gender of their soul in favour of that of their body as born that would be the altering of the Gods' will, and that would be the wrong.

As well, she reminded me also that life is to be a joy, that is it's intent, and nothing any God may wish alters this. Thus to deny a transgendered person the best chance that might be to find this joy in living would in and of itself be an evil.

I thank all for this discussion, and especially so the originator of the topic, as it has relieved me of a sadness in this regard, it is a great pleasure to learn that I might follow my heart in this matter and aid those so afflicted to find what they can of the joy that is their due, and still be pleasing to my Goddess and in accord, as well, with the intent of the world as it was first conceived. This is as it should be.

I will pray that my Goddess reward you each for this good you have done me.

Be at peace
Aneka

Thank you, Aneka, for your contribution to a very interesting discussion & for this clarification. I'm very happy that this is what the Gods intended because it seemed to me that the other was was just not right. This is the way that I view the world, that we should all find our joy, and not be consigned to live in pain & misery. I have lived many years of my life in pain & misery & found a way up & out of that. And so it seems to me that the pain & misery that I suffered was only to help me find a way to find joy & to recognize it when I found it. And of course, to value the joy.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/27/2011 7:54:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: AneNoz

I thank you for that.

I have spoken with my Grandmother, and she says that I am correct that a person being transgendered is indeed a result of the will of the Gods, but that I have misplaced the desire. It is the fact that the gender within the mind that is the intended gender, and what is to be accepted is that gender, despite the physical gender. That is but a result of an error in the chances of the mechanisms of reproduction. Thus, I was wrong to consider the surgery to reassign the sex as an altering. It is but the appearance of the body that is altered and not it's essential nature, thus the transgendered one remains a female with a male body (or of course the inverse of such), it is only that the appearance of the body has been made to more closely resemble the body that is within the mind, and that the body within the mind is the true body as it was intended to be.

It would be to make the transgendered one reject the gender of their soul in favour of that of their body as born that would be the altering of the Gods' will, and that would be the wrong.

As well, she reminded me also that life is to be a joy, that is it's intent, and nothing any God may wish alters this. Thus to deny a transgendered person the best chance that might be to find this joy in living would in and of itself be an evil.

I thank all for this discussion, and especially so the originator of the topic, as it has relieved me of a sadness in this regard, it is a great pleasure to learn that I might follow my heart in this matter and aid those so afflicted to find what they can of the joy that is their due, and still be pleasing to my Goddess and in accord, as well, with the intent of the world as it was first conceived. This is as it should be.

I will pray that my Goddess reward you each for this good you have done me.

Be at peace
Aneka

I thank you for this post, and please accept my apologies for being such a douchecanoe towards you earlier.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/27/2011 7:56:16 PM

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I just did...thank you. color me surprised, in a good way.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/27/2011 9:00:20 PM

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don't you love those kinds of surprises??

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RE: Transgendered - 9/27/2011 9:35:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

How do you view those individuals who see themselves as being biologically the wrong gender?

As people.

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Do you have empathy for their struggles? Or do you find you just can't comprehend it?

I have empathy and offer acceptance.

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Does anyone find it's going against nature?

Who's nature? No, I see it as that individual's reality.

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RE: Transgendered - 9/28/2011 1:52:14 PM

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I voted "I empathize."

I think the whole Chaz Bono "controversy" on dancing with the Stars is PATHETIC. Here's Lewis Black's take (2:12 minutes in): http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-22-2011/back-in-black---threats-to-america-s-children

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