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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 3:21:00 PM   
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short fuses and louder voices indicate a lack of control -- when someone starts to yell, they've lost control; I walk away.

I don't raise my voice.

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 4:23:13 PM   
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i am a sub/slave (always depending on individual definitions) and have served One for the past many years who has always used a louder voice than the first i served and seems much quicker to reach the end of His fuse.  Being one who has always tended to consider all problems my fault (in all aspects of life), i find it difficult to figure out how to communicate everything to Him as i was taught by my late Master and as Master says He expects when things on my mind might upset Him. 


Unlike some, I don't see anything you said above as being indicative of your master being an "ass" or out of control. You say you have served him for "many years" and that he has "always used a louder voice." If this bothered you in the beginning, that would have been the best time to speak up and discuss it. You obviously chose not to and to enter the relationship and remain in it "many years." Is this just now bothering you? Have you ever politely broached the subject WITH him?

You say yourself that you "always" tend to consider "all problems" your fault. Perhaps this is you making a mountain out of a molehill? I'm not assigning blame on either of you. It just seems to me that if you admit you are the type to blame yourself for everything, perhaps you're just taking a natural inclination of his (being louder than you like) and making more out of it than there is. If you respect him at all, I would suggest you sit down with him and be honest.

Frankly, it's not fair to him to compare him to a former master like it seems you're doing. I mean, we can't help but notice differences but, as I said above, if it bothered you initially it's really not fair to let it go on for years and not mention it. How can the man work on an issue he doesn't even know exists? If he's a good man, maybe a loud voice is just part and parcel of having him.

Be fair to him and talk with him.........luci

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 4:24:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Madame4a

short fuses and louder voices indicate a lack of control -- when someone starts to yell, they've lost control; I walk away.

I don't raise my voice.

Yelling does indeed indicate a loss of control. Having a "louder voice" in no way does.............luci

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 4:40:42 PM   
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You make a good point, luci.  She didn't actually say he yells.  I jumped to that conclusion based on my own history, which isn't fair. My family has loud voices, but there was a lot of yelling, too.  I think her reference to him having a short fuse and connecting that to his loud voice brought me to conclude it was yelling.  

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 5:12:56 PM   
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The op is in her late 50s. Her dom could be a couple of years older. Hearing loss at this (my age) is extremely common. Especially if he went to loud concerts when young.

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 6:07:32 PM   
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When i was owned i wasn't worried when he raised his voice or his temper flaring.  I knew when his temper flared it was because he wanted it to show.  What terrified me was when he was quiet and still because it meant he felt as if he was going to lose his control because of his anger.  Otherwise, he was in perfect control of his temper, because HE chose to allow the emotion out, means he was in control of his temper.

I think people associate allowing his temper to show with losing his temper and -- they are two very different things. The former the man controls, the later the temper controls the man.

I liked having a Master who had a temper that he showed it, it meant i didn't have to guess at his emotions.  I knew when he was angry, when he was upset, when he was happy, when he was not.  All in all, if i want the man to show some emotions i take them all without judgment.  grins, however, he also allowed me my reactions TO his emotions.  I didn't have to restrain my reactions to his emotions, if he allowed his emotions to show - i.e., if releasing his temper came in the form of his raising his voice, my reaction to that was allowed -- sometimes it was snapping at him, sometimes it was feeling remorse, sometimes it was calling him a butthead, and sometimes it was me climbing into his lap for some distracting him from his emotion. lol

angel

Also, many people are simply not quiet people or not emotionally restrained people, it doesn't mean they are out of control of something just because they chose not to restrain their emotions.

< Message edited by barelynangel -- 9/29/2011 6:09:31 PM >


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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 6:39:01 PM   
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someone can still fully understand your emotions without the need to yell or even be loud. I have never had any problems telling when Master is angry, upset, excited, etc....I have been with him long enough to know his different body language signals plus he simply tells me..."I'm angry. Don't bother me right now" or "I'm upset that you didn't do this so I expect it to be done now". Pretty easy. No guessing, no wondering.


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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 6:50:00 PM   
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But the difference is SOME people do raise their voices and express their emotions differently from your Master.  My point was simple, not everyone HAS to be quiet and contained in order to be in control of themselves. 

And as others pointed out raising your voice doesn't always constitute YELLING.  Some people simply are louder than others, it doesn't mean they are in less control, it simply means that's how they are. 

To me, i don't like quiet people, i like people who show all of their emotions.  Some people do and some people don't. 

It always makes me wonder why people are so desperate to make non-quiet people somehow a negative concept.   Hell, if what many people say in this thread about what they like is quiet, none of you would last an hour at a gathering of family dinner lol.  Talk about loud and emotions flying, one end of the table is flaring of temper, one is laughing loud and such.

quiet doesn't always constitute good and in control folks.  Try not to imply it does.

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 7:11:45 PM   
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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 9:11:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

To me, i don't like quiet people, i like people who show all of their emotions.  Some people do and some people don't. 



I totally get your point that loud does not equal yelling (my family dinners are super loud lol).  But that first sentence up there seems to be saying that quiet people aren't showing all of their emotions - I'm not sure if that's what you intended. 

I think what it boils down to is we tend to be compatible with certain types of communication, and incompatible with other types.  Some prefer loud and dislike quiet, some prefer quiet and dislike loud, and so on.  I don't mind loud in general, personally, but loud in anger or frustration (yet not yelling) makes me anxious.  And yelling in anger just paralyzes me now.  But others might be affected much differently, and even want for themselves the thing that scares me.  It's communication style.

So yeah, the OP needs to talk to him and let him know his decibel level makes her nervous. Not that he'll necessarily adjust it, but just so he knows.  Maybe he can help her deal with it.


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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/29/2011 9:50:25 PM   
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Speak for yourself, nobody has spunked in, on, or around me.


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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 9/30/2011 10:30:55 AM   
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Minus hearing issues I had a similar problem, I was raised with no significant male figure, and even in school I was rather petrified of my male teachers if they ever spoke loudly (which some of them did quite frequently). I find present day I just can't handle being with men who are loud and short tempered, it makes me too anxious.

For the Op however I'd say, maybe ask him to not speak up until you've been able to speak your mind entirely, so you can get out what you need to say without getting tense. Or maybe write down your problems or thoughts first while relaxed, then you won't feel like you're freezing up when he does tend to speak up with his louder tones. If it's been this way for years, realistically he isn't changing his mannerisms, so the best option is to find a way to work things so you can still communicate clearly despite your anxiousness with his loud voice.

I wish you all the best.

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 10/3/2011 3:06:10 AM   
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In my opinion someone whom screams and has as short fuse, will
be a hitter, now this is my opinion but loud means angry, not listening,
someone whom drinks!  Those whom do this types of things do not make good
dominants, a calm voice is needed a whisper can make a person come
nearer too you, then they listen, a shouter shuts downs a person
responses and they just will not be a good submissve!  It is trust that makes submissive
come to us be with us!  shouting is a no-no 1

mons :0)

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 10/9/2011 9:42:49 PM   
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if the trend is that he gets louder and angers fqaster and faster - I suggest you tell him to get a grip of you're gone - maybe tha's what he wants and cannot bring himself to say it... just commenting...

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 10/10/2011 1:50:19 PM   
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I see by the reply's some of you just don't get it. Voice intonation is "everything" I employ it all the time depending on my mood. It can be a whisper or you can drop you voice a full active it's what known at a power voice. It is very effective when getting a point across. I've been known to raise my voice and not be pissed off at all but it sure does get someones attention.

Let's say you see a little kid about to run in the street are you going to use your normal tone? I think not.

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 10/17/2011 3:01:32 PM   
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Everyone--and I mean everyone--has a point at which he or she will lose it. The important question is, "How easily and how quickly does he or she get to that point?" A person with a lot of self-control will take a lot to push to his or her breaking point. If the OP is with someone who gets there very quickly with little provocation, she needs to protect herself and her dom needs to seek counseling. He has issues that need to be addressed before he can hope to adequately meet his responsibilities as a partner and dom.

As for "tone of command," to which SailingBum alluded, I don't think that's what cinderella221972 was asking about. In any event, my tone of command has never involved raising my voice so much as adding more of an "edge" to it. Even without more volume, when done correctly, it drops doggy butts and elicits immediate silence. If I raise my voice, it's because I don't believe I was heard or because the general noise level around me has increased.

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 10/17/2011 7:02:33 PM   
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I tend to be loud when I'm passionate about something, which is a lot, but actually getting angry is rather rare for me, and losing my temper with a sub has happened perhaps twice ever. That sort of loss of control, to me, is an unacceptable pattern in a dominant. It's bound to happen once in a great while, and as long as you walk away and don't take it out on your sub that's one thing, but if it happens to you a lot I have to wonder how well-suited you are to having total control over another human being.

Of course, if you're angry about something unrelated and opt to take it out on a subs tender areas that's just good fun . Why have a slave if you can't use them for catharsis?

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 10/17/2011 7:46:45 PM   
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Why have a slave if you can't use them for catharsis?


This is easily the best thing I've read today. LOL

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 10/17/2011 8:58:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Epytropos

*Quick Reply*

I tend to be loud when I'm passionate about something, which is a lot, but actually getting angry is rather rare for me, and losing my temper with a sub has happened perhaps twice ever. That sort of loss of control, to me, is an unacceptable pattern in a dominant. It's bound to happen once in a great while, and as long as you walk away and don't take it out on your sub that's one thing, but if it happens to you a lot I have to wonder how well-suited you are to having total control over another human being.

Of course, if you're angry about something unrelated and opt to take it out on a subs tender areas that's just good fun . Why have a slave if you can't use them for catharsis?


I just had to bold that word, because I love that word.

Especially when it involves Master pacing back and forth waving his arms and giving a rather loud, boisterous speech about the difference between a Ghostbusters I proton pack versus a Ghostbusters II proton pack. Or how the camera angle needs to be a specific way in his films. Or all the pros and cons of being a Blues Brother. Or even telling the world how much it hates him when his car was totaled while parked, or when I've done a stupid and he's forcing the solution into my far too thick skull. I like wild, passionate things. I am a wild, passionate thing (though I'll admit I DO have a lack of emotional control sometimes, but it's not my job to control ;D -- I HAVE been working on it though, my friends blame the fact that I'm a Scorpio).

Sometimes yelling at a wall (or a consenting individual willing to be the beating block, as I have willfully done during some very stressful moments in Master's life) IS the therapy someone needs. I've always worried at a lot of quiet, emotionally contained people because the way they look is often the way I look when I bottle things up, and when I bottle things up I go *POP* eventually. I'm always an advocate of being in control so that you don't do anything stupid while angry, but to control your emotions to the point where they are literally dimmed down so as not to *seem* out of control... two very different things.

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RE: Louder voice, short fuse - 10/17/2011 10:27:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lupineEleven


quote:

ORIGINAL: Epytropos

*Quick Reply*

I tend to be loud when I'm passionate about something, which is a lot, but actually getting angry is rather rare for me, and losing my temper with a sub has happened perhaps twice ever. That sort of loss of control, to me, is an unacceptable pattern in a dominant. It's bound to happen once in a great while, and as long as you walk away and don't take it out on your sub that's one thing, but if it happens to you a lot I have to wonder how well-suited you are to having total control over another human being.

Of course, if you're angry about something unrelated and opt to take it out on a subs tender areas that's just good fun . Why have a slave if you can't use them for catharsis?


I just had to bold that word, because I love that word.

Especially when it involves Master pacing back and forth waving his arms and giving a rather loud, boisterous speech about the difference between a Ghostbusters I proton pack versus a Ghostbusters II proton pack. Or how the camera angle needs to be a specific way in his films. Or all the pros and cons of being a Blues Brother. Or even telling the world how much it hates him when his car was totaled while parked, or when I've done a stupid and he's forcing the solution into my far too thick skull. I like wild, passionate things. I am a wild, passionate thing (though I'll admit I DO have a lack of emotional control sometimes, but it's not my job to control ;D -- I HAVE been working on it though, my friends blame the fact that I'm a Scorpio).

Sometimes yelling at a wall (or a consenting individual willing to be the beating block, as I have willfully done during some very stressful moments in Master's life) IS the therapy someone needs. I've always worried at a lot of quiet, emotionally contained people because the way they look is often the way I look when I bottle things up, and when I bottle things up I go *POP* eventually. I'm always an advocate of being in control so that you don't do anything stupid while angry, but to control your emotions to the point where they are literally dimmed down so as not to *seem* out of control... two very different things.


Couldn't agree with this more. Your master sounds a lot like me, lol. I couldn't help smiling reading it. And yeah, tightly-controlled people like that make me nervous. No good comes of it in the long run.

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