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Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 3:05:48 AM   
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http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12005493820989/feds-mass-man-planned-to-blow-up-us-buildings/

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 3:17:47 AM   
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Was going t use model planes on the Pentagon
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12005493820989/feds-mass-man-planned-to-blow-up-us-buildings/


All that time spent bent over physics and math exams, and the best he could come up with was model airplanes? Where's the kaleidoscopic laser light show, or the particle beam blazing down out of the heavens, or the nuke built in the garage?

Maybe the first charge on his rap sheet should be dumb ass. 


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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 3:44:54 AM   
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Was going t use model planes on the Pentagon
http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/12005493820989/feds-mass-man-planned-to-blow-up-us-buildings/


All that time spent bent over physics and math exams, and the best he could come up with was model airplanes? Where's the kaleidoscopic laser light show, or the particle beam blazing down out of the heavens, or the nuke built in the garage?

Maybe the first charge on his rap sheet should be dumb ass. 



I used to live near a place that had a model airplane park, complete with its own little runway.

They are not that small, 80 inches is almost seven feet.

Packed with explosives I'm sure they could some damage.

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 7:04:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've built and flown model airplanes for some 40 years. This is one of those areas where there's lots of fantasy, and not much math.

1) There is a weight limit of 55 lbs for model aircraft in the US- waivers have to be granted if you're going to fly anything larger.
2) While some models can readily exceed 100 mph, and other models can carry a payload of 5 lbs or so, its not so easy to combine the two. Furthermore, there are going to be range issues- model airplanes that can exceed 100 mph can only do so for a few minutes- they either burn through a lot of fuel or batteries in a hurry.
3) Making a bomb that can actually do damage to a building requires both an explosive and a casing. Often, bombs have more mass in casings than in explosives. The casing becomes shrapnel which does damage- often blast does very little.
4) Using conventional explosives in WWII, a general purpose bomb weighed 500 lbs. A bomb this size would readily take out a house or even several houses close together, but a building the size of the Capitol or the Pentagon- which was barely mussed when an airliner whacked in?
How much damage can a lousy 5 lb bomb do- especially one carried in a framework of very light materials which will help absorb the blast?

This whole idea is fantasy....


Sam

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 8:12:33 AM   
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I've built and flown model airplanes for some 40 years. This is one of those areas where there's lots of fantasy, and not much math.

1) There is a weight limit of 55 lbs for model aircraft in the US- waivers have to be granted if you're going to fly anything larger.
2) While some models can readily exceed 100 mph, and other models can carry a payload of 5 lbs or so, its not so easy to combine the two. Furthermore, there are going to be range issues- model airplanes that can exceed 100 mph can only do so for a few minutes- they either burn through a lot of fuel or batteries in a hurry.
3) Making a bomb that can actually do damage to a building requires both an explosive and a casing. Often, bombs have more mass in casings than in explosives. The casing becomes shrapnel which does damage- often blast does very little.
4) Using conventional explosives in WWII, a general purpose bomb weighed 500 lbs. A bomb this size would readily take out a house or even several houses close together, but a building the size of the Capitol or the Pentagon- which was barely mussed when an airliner whacked in?
How much damage can a lousy 5 lb bomb do- especially one carried in a framework of very light materials which will help absorb the blast?

This whole idea is fantasy....


Sam


The plan was to have snipers shoot people evacuating the buildings in panic.

Of course the plan was as big a fail as that other Mass. group...the 2011 Boston Red Sox.

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 8:28:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: samboct

I've built and flown model airplanes for some 40 years. This is one of those areas where there's lots of fantasy, and not much math.

1) There is a weight limit of 55 lbs for model aircraft in the US- waivers have to be granted if you're going to fly anything larger.
2) While some models can readily exceed 100 mph, and other models can carry a payload of 5 lbs or so, its not so easy to combine the two. Furthermore, there are going to be range issues- model airplanes that can exceed 100 mph can only do so for a few minutes- they either burn through a lot of fuel or batteries in a hurry.
3) Making a bomb that can actually do damage to a building requires both an explosive and a casing. Often, bombs have more mass in casings than in explosives. The casing becomes shrapnel which does damage- often blast does very little.
4) Using conventional explosives in WWII, a general purpose bomb weighed 500 lbs. A bomb this size would readily take out a house or even several houses close together, but a building the size of the Capitol or the Pentagon- which was barely mussed when an airliner whacked in?
How much damage can a lousy 5 lb bomb do- especially one carried in a framework of very light materials which will help absorb the blast?

This whole idea is fantasy....


Sam

Well that`s probably true.But the criminal intent was there.It would have been more symbolic than anything.

I disagree that the jet didn`t do much damage.Over-all no,but to the impact point,quite a lot.The fire ball penetrated 3 or 4 concrete walls into the center.

The model wouldn`t have scraped paint off but might have been a PR coup for the radials.



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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 8:40:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Dunno about a PR coup- some broken windows maybe? Possibly a few injuries or fatalities, but it would involve chance. Don't see that as much of a PR scoop.

Also- the idea of using GPS to control a model airplane? Not so easy- the GPS doesn't update fast enough so that you'd have to have some pretty sophisticated software to get the airplane where you wanted. First person view technology, i.e. a video cam would be much more effective.

Sam

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 8:42:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		This "plot" has a strange, sort of "Wile E. Coyote" feel to it....

Can't you just see the guy....as some or another problem causes his Acme Radio Control Bomber to start circling back on him....and he is there frantically manipulating the controls to no avail ...and out comes the little sign..... "OH NO"...just before the plane and bomb...return home....BOOM!.....

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 8:44:58 AM   
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Red Sox sux....
On the idiot and the model airplane...what can I say,being smart does not preclude being an asshole

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 9:39:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		He wasn't smart- he's probably nuts.

I've done a little digging into the types of airplanes he was trying to use. One has been identified as an F-86 foamie from E-flite. I doubt it could lift an extra pound and it's not easy to fly. Put an extra 5 lbs in it and it won't get off the ground. He needed to fly the airplane two miles which means that he'd have to use first person view or a GPS autopilot- except that they don't work that well yet. Generally the autopilots can sorta get the airplane to fly in a straight line- hopefully long enough so that the signal can be reaquired, but they're not good enough to get the airplane from point A to point B with any kind of precision.

The second one is an F-4 might actually be a turbine powered airplane. It's a bit more capable, but again, requires some pretty hot piloting skills. Nor could it carry a 5 lb payload and get off the ground.- or if it did, it'd be really tough to fly....

In short- there's no credible threat here. I'm aggravated because if this is what DHS trumpets as a success, they're a complete waste of money. This feels like a combination of Wile E. Coyote (agree with MC) and the Red Menace of the 50s- where most of the supposed Commies were FBI undercover agents. Not to mention that the news agencies have been lapping this tripe up uncritically....

Sam

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 10:10:10 AM   
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All that time spent bent over physics and math exams, and the best he could come up with was model airplanes? Where's the kaleidoscopic laser light show, or the particle beam blazing down out of the heavens, or the nuke built in the garage?

Maybe the first charge on his rap sheet should be dumb ass.


A full 2 years before I ever set foot in a Umass science lecture hall, I had already semi-perfected an over the shoulder launcher made of pvc pipe and speargun parts it fired as Estees model rocket modified to use aluminum tent tubes as a body and a brass surveyor's point for a nose cone. j-class engines made it fly pretty well and sawing up a magnesium ladder and replacing the parachute with that made for a colorful display. Could burn a chris craft to the waterline at 100 feet.
  Yeah, clearly this kid was some kind of slacker. Maybe the jihadists who raised him spent too much time teaching him to shake with the left


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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 10:15:50 AM   
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I've built and flown model airplanes for some 40 years. This is one of those areas where there's lots of fantasy, and not much math.

1) There is a weight limit of 55 lbs for model aircraft in the US- waivers have to be granted if you're going to fly anything larger.
2) While some models can readily exceed 100 mph, and other models can carry a payload of 5 lbs or so, its not so easy to combine the two. Furthermore, there are going to be range issues- model airplanes that can exceed 100 mph can only do so for a few minutes- they either burn through a lot of fuel or batteries in a hurry.
3) Making a bomb that can actually do damage to a building requires both an explosive and a casing. Often, bombs have more mass in casings than in explosives. The casing becomes shrapnel which does damage- often blast does very little.
4) Using conventional explosives in WWII, a general purpose bomb weighed 500 lbs. A bomb this size would readily take out a house or even several houses close together, but a building the size of the Capitol or the Pentagon- which was barely mussed when an airliner whacked in?
How much damage can a lousy 5 lb bomb do- especially one carried in a framework of very light materials which will help absorb the blast?

This whole idea is fantasy....


Sam



The plan was to have snipers shoot people evacuating the buildings in panic.

Of course the plan was as big a fail as that other Mass. group...the 2011 Boston Red Sox.


Sam
   When HSA kicks in the door... tell em about how willbee here is a fucking right-wing lunatic who is desperate to get revenge on Terry Francona because he's too fucking stupid to root for the california team. Adding that he 'had a gun' will help immensely



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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 10:18:36 AM   
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Of course the plan was as big a fail as that other Mass. group...the 2011 Boston Red Sox.


Shouldn't talk about your deserter daddy Francona like that... he may come to live with you after we get a coach who isn't calling fox affiliates trying to get an Obama dis in NH on the news


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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 10:24:45 AM   
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Red Sox sux....


Let's get something straight, when it comes to sucking, the red sox pitch, not catch.



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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 1:38:45 PM   
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Red Sox sux....


Let's get something straight, when it comes to sucking, the red sox pitch, not catch.




Actually all of baseball sux, I havent watched more than 10 minutes total in the last 25 years. Its just fun to see any team from NE choke.

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 2:46:36 PM   
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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 3:00:49 PM   
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Red Sox sux....

Let's get something straight, when it comes to sucking, the red sox pitch, not catch.

Actually all of baseball sux, I havent watched more than 10 minutes total in the last 25 years. Its just fun to see any team from NE choke.


Yes, Your Reaction when the Patriots win Super Bowls! Wouldn't put it past you to to dress the part for those moments. I'm sure you have a D.V. fetish there....admit it!

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 3:46:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: samboct

I've built and flown model airplanes for some 40 years. This is one of those areas where there's lots of fantasy, and not much math.

1) There is a weight limit of 55 lbs for model aircraft in the US- waivers have to be granted if you're going to fly anything larger.
2) While some models can readily exceed 100 mph, and other models can carry a payload of 5 lbs or so, its not so easy to combine the two. Furthermore, there are going to be range issues- model airplanes that can exceed 100 mph can only do so for a few minutes- they either burn through a lot of fuel or batteries in a hurry.
3) Making a bomb that can actually do damage to a building requires both an explosive and a casing. Often, bombs have more mass in casings than in explosives. The casing becomes shrapnel which does damage- often blast does very little.
4) Using conventional explosives in WWII, a general purpose bomb weighed 500 lbs. A bomb this size would readily take out a house or even several houses close together, but a building the size of the Capitol or the Pentagon- which was barely mussed when an airliner whacked in?
How much damage can a lousy 5 lb bomb do- especially one carried in a framework of very light materials which will help absorb the blast?

This whole idea is fantasy....


Sam



Sam, as usual you hit the nail on the head.
What is it with these guys, many of them seem to have some type of connection to Massachusetts.

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 4:03:17 PM   
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Lol,I generally do not appreciate willbeurs posts...mostly disagreeing with the content...in it's entirety....but kudos for the Boston Red Sox shout out......lol
Red Sox sux....




Hello and greetings my colonial cousin......How has the thread got onto Rounders, to give it its proper name.

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RE: Mass Physics Grad scooped in terror sting - 9/29/2011 6:00:36 PM   
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