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2 things here..

Rule #1 for conservatives: Never give Obama credit for anything, EVER. When Obama takes a tough stance on immigration like the Republicans wanted, or he concedes to the Bush tax cuts, conservatives aren't allowed to say "He made a good decision on this one." It's always "This was a victory for the Republican party."

Also, I think it is highly unlikely that Herman Cain will be the nominee. It's easy to say one will support a black man for office, but in the voting booth you are by yourself, and the machine won't judge you on your predjudices. Speaking of which Herman Cain is by far the most Islamophobic candidate running, which I see as an exploitable weakness.

By the way, remember all the "Obama is inexperienced holding a political office" stuff when he was running? I just looked up Cain on Wikipedia, and I can't find him holding a political office at all. Am I mistaken?

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popeye

We only have 4,400 Ice Agents for the entire country! Why isn't Obama calling for 40,000?
Ah,.....as "president" he's supposed to be enforcing our laws anyway! He shouldn't need (any) prodding from Republicans.

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popeye
That Mexican border is like a war zone now, why hasn't Obama put Troops down there and closed that Mexican border?

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Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live. If this standard was followed would any religion be covered by the First Amendment? Certainly Christianity and Judaism would not.

FYI, I saw nothing of this in my research.  Perhaps it is there, but I'm more dispose to believe that this claim is the worst possible interpretation by liberals and leftists looking for the scent of "damaged goods" that they always try to fling onto any conservative.

This sounds amazing like the first leg of such an attack: that he is "racist".  I expect canards to be thrown at any serious conservative. 

Actually, if I don't see the expected liberal attacks that he is racist, stupid and corrupt, then I'd start to worry about his qualifications.  [:D]

Firm

Will the words directly out of his mouth satisfy your skepticism?
http://nation.foxnews.com/herman-cain/2011/07/17/herman-cain-islam-combines-church-and-state

Cain declared Muslims have no right to freedom of religion because their holy writings include rules about how they should live.

Of course, this isn't what he said.  He is saying that we need to be aware that - for many Muslims - sharia law is an integral part of the practice of their faith, and that sharia law conflicts with the US Constitution, and we should be aware of this, and take it into account.

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Witness the increasing acceptance of sharia law in other nations and venues.  We should be very careful about uncritically accepting such laws - which conflict with American law - on the basis of religious beliefs.

This is a valid issue.  Think LDS and polygamy.  Think Christian Science and medical care for their children.

He doesn't say it very well, granted, and he needs to "expand and qualify his remarks".  Unfortunately, just as you and some others take anything said negatively about Islam as "racist", there is likely little that he can say on the subject that won't generate negative headlines in liberal media fellow travelers.  I'd recommend to him to simply not say much about it at all, at this point.

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and don't quit your day indolence to become a lawyer. YOU HAVEN'T THE CAPACITY TO READ IT. YOU JUST KINDA THINK STUFF.

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

(I assume you can look up the definition of posse comitatus by a cut and paste)

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Obama deserves credit on many things, but ... he wont get any. There will always be a "but.." from the right.
My money is on cain or romney... cain is second purely because of his islam problem. But then.. romney has his own issues. Cains personality is a big breath of relief after the others(what a mess) but then I think that could go against him too.

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and don't quit your day indolence to become a lawyer. YOU HAVEN'T THE CAPACITY TO READ IT. YOU JUST KINDA THINK STUFF.

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

(I assume you can look up the definition of posse comitatus by a cut and paste)

Ron,

Posse Comitatus has been pretty much eviscerated over the years.  There are so many exceptions that it is almost worthless.

I think we had a detailed thread about it a while back.

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America is completely fucking lawless. If that is nice well... I beg to differ.

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and don't quit your day indolence to become a lawyer. YOU HAVEN'T THE CAPACITY TO READ IT. YOU JUST KINDA THINK STUFF.

Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

(I assume you can look up the definition of posse comitatus by a cut and paste)

Ron,

Posse Comitatus has been pretty much eviscerated over the years.  There are so many exceptions that it is almost worthless.

I think we had a detailed thread about it a while back.

Ron,

I think you were missing from the thread:

Bush Mulled Sending Troops Into Buffalo by rml on 7/25/2009

Firm

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Violet, "Obama takes a tough stance on immigration?" That should be "takes a tough stance on illegal aliens."

Right, Illegal aliens who are immigrating to this country.

Ah,.....as "president" he's supposed to be enforcing our laws anyway! He shouldn't need (any) prodding from Republicans.
When has he *ever* taken a tough stance on illegal aliens? Certainly not when he was speaking to an audience of mostly illegal aliens a few months ago and said to them; "we wish you well."

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/09/21/obama-tougher-on-immigration-than-bush/

We only have 4,400 Ice Agents for the entire country! Why isn't Obama calling for 40,000?
That Mexican border is like a war zone now, why hasn't Obama put Troops down there and closed that Mexican border?
On a scale of 1 to 10 in enforcing our immigration laws he's a "2". He's got a LONG way to go!
If you worked for an employer and you were only a "2" you wouldn't be there for very long.

And as for Herman Cain I like him. He's got degrees in Math and Physics, was a Naval Officer and all the experience he needs running two businesses
Obama can't even come close to that unless you consider stapling signs to telephones, "experience."

This is EXACTLY the hipocrisy I'm talking about. He has degrees in math and science, that's admirable. But what does that have to do with being president of the united states? What does that have to do with diplomacy, debate, dealing with voters, diplomats, law, the military, and the people-related skills needed to be a leader? The business experience is a little more relevant overall, but the bottom line of business is raking in a profit. All a community organizer does is staple things to other things, right? No being a leader or trying to unite people?

Though I will admit, his community organizer experience is working against him these days, he's trying to unite people when a lot of them are viscerally opposed to being united with him under any circumstances, no matter what he does.

That's exactly the problem in Washington now, too many people with too much "experience!"
Holding a political office is not "experience". It's an honor and should be done for a limited time only.

This is why I find it so hard to take you seriously. NOW having experience in your job is a liability.
Holding political office is both an "experience" AND an "honor."

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As for that Mexican border any president can simply declare an emergency along the border and then initiate martial law and deploy troops along the entire border. Then they can arrest Mexicans sneaking in over the border as they're foreign nationals not U.S.Citizens.

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he should attend reality first