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popeye1250 -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 9:04:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: As for that Mexican border any president can simply declare an emergency along the border and then initiate martial law and deploy troops along the entire border. Then they can arrest Mexicans sneaking in over the border as they're foreign nationals not U.S.Citizens. Would'nt it make more sense to arrest the u.s. nationals who employ them? A fine of a quarter of a milllion and five large in the federal pen. Thompson, it would! Lots of things would make sense for our govt to do or not do so why do they not employ common sense?

FirmhandKY -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 9:16:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I have not read all the posts so this is my opinion even if repeated. Maybe I am just jaded but I think there is at least a small chance that given the even divide between the parties that the Republican party is tolerating Cain because they can see him taking a small but significant percentage of the black vote from Obama. I believe this is exactly what will happen if he gets the nod and this vote split of African Americans will give the election to the Republicans. Well, first, your belief that Republicans will "tolerate" him makes me believe that you think that Republicans are bigots by default. Second, if they were, it would be pretty damn stupid of them to nominate and then get elected the very thing that they are so bigoted against. Plus, it would take a pretty good and well controlled conspiracy, by a well-controlled cabal. Which ... yanno ... kinda argues against the whole point that Republicans are bigots by default, and hate blacks, but then proceed to nominate one. Third, the Republicans are currently lined up to sweep the elections, and Obama out of office, as long as they run anyone else other than Obama. Check out any of the recent polls on that issue. So, again ... why worry about "splitting" the black vote with a black man when they hate black people anyway? No, if Cain gets the nomination and wins, it won't be because of the black vote, anyway. It will however, expose liberal racism and "keep em down on the plantation" mentality that they have practiced on American blacks for generations. So ... having a black Republican candidate nominated and elected will be nothing more than icing on the cake, and has jack-all to do with playing race politics and "master plans" of the evil Republican overlords. I thought better of you Butch. [:(] Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 9:21:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: VioletGray quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 Violet, "Obama takes a tough stance on immigration?" That should be "takes a tough stance on illegal aliens." Right, Illegal aliens who are immigrating to this country. I propose that we henceforth refer to burglars caught in commercial establishments as "illegal customers." [sm=biggrin.gif] Firm

popeye1250 -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 9:34:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I have not read all the posts so this is my opinion even if repeated. Maybe I am just jaded but I think there is at least a small chance that given the even divide between the parties that the Republican party is tolerating Cain because they can see him taking a small but significant percentage of the black vote from Obama. I believe this is exactly what will happen if he gets the nod and this vote split of African Americans will give the election to the Republicans. Well, first, your belief that Republicans will "tolerate" him makes me believe that you think that Republicans are bigots by default. Second, if they were, it would be pretty damn stupid of them to nominate and then get elected the very thing that they are so bigoted against. Plus, it would take a pretty good and well controlled conspiracy, by a well-controlled cabal. Which ... yanno ... kinda argues against the whole point that Republicans are bigots by default, and hate blacks, but then proceed to nominate one. Third, the Republicans are currently lined up to sweep the elections, and Obama out of office, as long as they run anyone else other than Obama. Check out any of the recent polls on that issue. So, again ... why worry about "splitting" the black vote with a black man when they hate black people anyway? No, if Cain gets the nomination and wins, it won't be because of the black vote, anyway. It will however, expose liberal racism and "keep em down on the plantation" mentality that they have practiced on American blacks for generations. So ... having a black Republican candidate nominated and elected will be nothing more than icing on the cake, and has jack-all to do with playing race politics and "master plans" of the evil Republican overlords. I thought better of you Butch. [:(] Firm Firm, that's correct. The Democrats have promised black people the moon for the last 50 years and never delivered on it! The very day after the election it's business as usual! They treat them like shit and then call everyone else "prejudiced."

Real0ne -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 9:45:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VioletGray Holding political office is both an "experience" AND an "honor." sorry but I never thought of being a crime boss as being an honor. living is an experience after all.

Real0ne -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 9:47:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: As for that Mexican border any president can simply declare an emergency along the border and then initiate martial law and deploy troops along the entire border. Then they can arrest Mexicans sneaking in over the border as they're foreign nationals not U.S.Citizens. Would'nt it make more sense to arrest the u.s. nationals who employ them? A fine of a quarter of a milllion and five large in the federal pen. HAHAHA under WHAT jurisdiction? The I dont like you club? LMAO

popeye1250 -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 9:51:03 PM)
This is fresh off Yahoo about two Somali pirates who were arrested and sentenced to life yesterday in Norfolk, Va. http://news.yahoo.com/somalis-life-prison-over-pirating-u-vessel-215916717.html

kdsub -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 9:56:54 PM)
quote: I thought better of you Butch. Keep thinking Firm I am not calling anyone bigots...I am saying political reality says if Cain runs he will split the black vote...By tolerate I mean he does not represent mainstream Republican politics and platform...but they will overlook or tolerate these differences if he can show he can garner mainstream support. Lets be realistic... it will take more time and exposure to see if he can gain support among the tea party and religious right let alone Reagan Republicans...don't you agree? I see him running as a VP and if he does it will be because he is black not because of his toeing the party line. What I am saying may not be politically correct but I am a realists and call things as I see them. Butch ps..... quote: Third, the Republicans are currently lined up to sweep the elections, and Obama out of office Firm Firm Firm....you really are not caught up in the silly polls I hope...You as a student of politics must know that as soon as the race starts in earnest the polls will tighten as they always do...perhaps even reverse... there is no ground swell in America of Republican thought... No it is still a 50 50 game and splitting the black vote would make a huge difference in the end result.

tweakabelle -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 10:13:12 PM)
How amusing to see the Right trying to present an anti-racist posture. This, from the same quarter that has opposed just about every measure to redress the official and institutional racism of the past in every Western country. I could be wrong but off the top of my head, I'm unable to think of a single anti-racist measure initiated by the Right anywhere - or a single Western country where the forces of racism are not aligned with the Right. Or a single Western country where this has not been the case for many generations. Add to that opposition to just about every measure designed to improve the lot of women, sexual minorities etc. There are I'm sure many sincere Right-wingers who loathe racism - but equally there's no denying the alignment of the Right with opposition to addressing racism historically and trans-nationally. Could it be that, like the thugs of the English Defence League (EDL), they've found someone new that they hate even more? The EDL, an avowedly racist group, has embraced the cause of Israel after decades of anti-Semitism because they hate Muslims more than they hate Jews. Lest we think it's a sincere or principled position, let's remember that Islamophobia has lot more impact in the West today than anti-Semitism. Thus the Israeli flag is now prominent at all EDL marches, and support for Israel as the 'defender of the West against the Muslim hordes' is high on the EDL agenda. Pure expediency from some very nasty people. So who's convinced by this self-proclaimed sudden switch of allegiance on the Right? Do they really think every one has forgotten the past 50+ years of opposition to just about every anti-racist measures everywhere that quickly? There's a lot more work to be done by the Right to educate and eliminate racism among its own supporters before it can start pointing fingers, or even more hypocritically, lecturing any one else on this issue.

Kirata -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 10:23:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub he does not represent mainstream Republican politics and platform No? Well I dunno. I'm not sure what the Republican platform even is at the point. But the guy won the straw vote in Florida - of all places - and by no insignificant margin. So if you're right, then here's a flash for ya: Something's gonna have to give, and it ain't gonna be Cain. K.

kdsub -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 10:30:28 PM)
quote: he does not represent mainstream Republican politics and platform I should amend that statement...you are not alone wondering what their platform is and this fact will be a problem down the line when trying to find a candidate that all factions of the Republican party can support. The Democrats have this same problem but to a lesser extent. Butch

kdsub -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 10:40:33 PM)
quote: Something's gonna have to give, and it ain't gonna be Cain Just my opinion but I think the Democratic disenfranchised by Obama want him to be more liberal…so they will still vote for Obama even if he is too conservative for them. BUT On the Republican side the disenfranchised want a more liberal Republican party and they are turned off by the tea party...religious right uncompromising positions. This means to me that more Republicans or independents are likely to cross party lines then Democrats. I guess what I am trying to say is that despite all the recent polls all is not as hunky dory as Firm believes. Butch

Kirata -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 10:46:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This, from the same quarter that has opposed just about every measure to redress... What manner of justice is it that visits the sins of the father unto the son, and the son's son unto the nth generation? K.

tazzygirl -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 10:49:47 PM)
Political justice, apparently. Its been happening for a long time now... on both sides of the isle.

VioletGray -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 11:27:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata I propose that we henceforth refer to burglars caught in commercial establishments as "illegal customers." Most of them come here because they want jobs, just like people born here. Your analogy would make more sense if the burglar broke into say, a Burger King, ate some food and then left some money. Then they would be "illegal customers." I certainly hope you're not implying that those immigrants intentions are similar to burglars?

tweakabelle -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/3/2011 11:31:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle This, from the same quarter that has opposed just about every measure to redress... What manner of justice is it that visits the sins of the father unto the son, and the son's son unto the nth generation? K. A lot of the time there is no inter-generational change - it's the same individuals. Or, as in the case of the le Pens in France, the new generation echoes the views of previous generations. When there is change, there is scant criticism of past policies. I'm a lot more inclined to accept UK PM Cameron's credentials in this matter as he shows a change of heart consistently across the board (eg on gays and womens' issues) than other right-wingers who remain silent on the past. I'll be a lot less sceptical when I see evidence of the right wing leaders trying to bring their supporters into the present day with unequivocal denunciations of past policies, race baiting and dog whistle politics. I would like to think that day isn't too far away but, as I say, when I see it I'll believe it. You surely wouldn't recommend that I just take the politicians' words for it would you?

Kirata -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/4/2011 12:34:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle You surely wouldn't recommend that I just take the politicians' words for it would you? Oh, no, absolutely no, and hell no. Not when they're telling us that it's "only fair" to visit the sins of the fathers unto their sons and their son's sons unto the nth generation because justice demands that institutionalized racial favoritism in one direction be "repaid" by institutionalizing a program of racial favoritism in the opposite direction. No ma'am, I don't take their word for that at all. I think it's fucking nuts. K.

lobodomslavery -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/4/2011 12:37:02 AM)
Obama is just like the others, how would i characterise him. He is simply an overpaid politician who is defending the indefensible ie a monstrous capitalist system that has utterly and completely failed everyone but the political and financial aristocracy kevin

SpanishMatMaster -> RE: Something Obama deserves credit for... (10/4/2011 1:02:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata Oh, no, absolutely no, and hell no. Not when they're telling us that it's "only fair" to visit the sins of the fathers unto their sons and their son's sons unto the nth generation because justice demands that institutionalized racial favoritism in one direction be "repaid" by institutionalizing a program of racial favoritism in the opposite direction. No ma'am, I don't take their word for that at all. I think it's fucking nuts. K. Just a curiosity, do you have the same position on gender inequality?

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