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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 2:03:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		imo I look at his creations that revolutionized the world to be his contribution. He didn't need to give money. He changed the world.



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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 2:08:09 PM   
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imo I look at his creations that revolutionized the world to be his contribution. He didn't need to give money. He changed the world.



I have no doubt that he was busy in his last hours making sure his wealth was put to good,helpful causes.



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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 2:17:28 PM   
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I have no doubt that he was busy in his last hours making sure his wealth was put to good,helpful causes.

.. are wills made public in the US?

imo, he made his wishes known and will on all that long ago, at the very least when he first became sick, it would not have been prudent to do otherwise..

I read forbes had him listed as 110th richest, if he hadnt sold his apple stock when he left the first time he would have been the 5th richest... sorta interesting in a weird sorta way, how fast money can multiply like that (or not)..

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 2:27:52 PM   
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He`ll be just as classy in death.


I think we`ll hear about the details so we can also give.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 2:34:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		i was talking with someone today and what is interesting is that he died of pancreatic cancer which if you translate it comes out to be pc

another thing i wonder did he have his name on the national organ donor list where if any of his organs did not have cancer in them could be harvested and used for transplantaion

so i ask everyone who reads this please put your name on the national organ donor list because you never know hyou might give someone a second chance which they might not have

and you need to let your family know and even if there is a sticker on your drivers license you need to call the state just to make sure that you are on the list, because there might be a chance that your name fell through the cracks and you are not on the list.

dont assume that it is just contact them to make sure and when they harvest your organs let them decide if they can use them or not

i recieved a right lung transplant nov 9 2009 and they only gave me 1-2 weeks to live and i have fooled them so far

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 2:42:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		His greatest achievement was to make otherwise inaccessible, complicated and intractable computer systems for all but the most sophisticated techies, easy to use for everyone from the computer nerd to the computer phobe. What a man. His contribution to the necessary simplification of computer systems which has made them more efficient and user friendly for all remains unsurpassed with the possible exception of Bill Gates. He was an also excellent public speaker. A technological genius and humble to boot. An incomparable knowledge of computer systems and how they work, he is an incalculable loss to Apple and the technological world in general. Rest in Peace Mr Jobs, you have more than earned your place at God's throne
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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 2:53:21 PM   
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imo I look at his creations that revolutionized the world to be his contribution. He didn't need to give money. He changed the world.



Exactly what do you think he created?

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 2:56:17 PM   
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An incomparable knowledge of computer systems and how they work, he is an incalculable loss to Apple and the technological world in general.

Jobs knew nothing about computer systems and how they work. Jobs was always just a marketing guy. He was never technical and always relied on others to innovate.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 3:11:24 PM   
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Wow.  He started Apple, Pixar, and NeXt.  Two home runs and a dud.

He helped create the desktop computer world we now have, and he helped destroy it via popularizing mobile computing.

He totally changed the way the cellphone industry works by treating the carriers as commodities and the phones as the main event, and rocked the media world with iTunes.

He turned Apple from a corpse to the #2 company in the USA.

He also prodded Disney to dump Eisner by threatening to stop their relationship with Pixar unless there was a management change.

I doubt I'd like the guy if I had met him, but he sure made his mark on the world.

Actually, he said that being fired from Apple was the best thing that happened to him. It gave him a chance to free his mind and started NeXt. (met his wife) Maybe it was a dud but it was purchased by Apple which brought him back.

Pixar is the no. 1 animated movie studio in the world.

He did create the desktop comp. and it was his interactive 'desktop' software that Gates stole as the courts being typically ignorant, ruled that it could not be legally 'protected' in effect. The courts now truly recognize such intellectual property of course and Apple should have received $billions in royalties.

He was so much more than Gates, it is ridiculous. Gates didn't do a damn thing except get lucky. Jobs actually created things that truly sold on their own merits (not by another co.) and changed the entire digital/media/data world in my view. Without Jobs's vision and the Mac, there would very likely be no Gates.

iTunes did create an entire culture change in how music would be marketed in addition to any street retail which suffered. Tower records some say, was put out of business by Jobs's creations.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 3:13:07 PM   
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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 3:14:20 PM   
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An incomparable knowledge of computer systems and how they work, he is an incalculable loss to Apple and the technological world in general.

Jobs knew nothing about computer systems and how they work. Jobs was always just a marketing guy. He was never technical and always relied on others to innovate.


Yes, he hired some brilliant people but those people and their brilliance weren't going to put it all together until they went to Apple. Jobs was the true idea guy in creating the desktop computer even if he didn't do much of the engineering. Same with digital media.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 3:17:12 PM   
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Hello, Mr. Kana.
I consider disrespectful to send a prayer to an Atheist in the moment of his death.
Goodbye.



Yeah and woohoo to that

Well Steve you sure got the world talkin'


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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 3:48:44 PM   
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"He also prodded Disney to dump Eisner"

Really. Now that's something I could almost care about.

T^T

Well if you are a football fan, you should be pissed at Eisner. The guy he hired Michael Ovitz (got over $100 million in severance for about 13 months work, another indication of the corporatist raping the investors) whose first suggestion was to buy and put an NFL franchise in LA. That would have more than doubled in value by now.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 3:57:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think his passing is a little overblown.  Sure the guy created nifty toys.  But those toys were distractions to some degree.  The kind of distracting gadgets that George Carlin used to criticize frequently.

I am reminded of that quote from the movie The Social Network, when the female lawyer played by Rashida Jones says "Bosnia. They don't have roads, but they have Facebook." And to me, Jobs is similar to Zuckerburg. Getting rich on providing the world with innovative but secondary needs.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 4:03:01 PM   
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An incomparable knowledge of computer systems and how they work, he is an incalculable loss to Apple and the technological world in general.

Jobs knew nothing about computer systems and how they work. Jobs was always just a marketing guy. He was never technical and always relied on others to innovate.


Yes, he hired some brilliant people but those people and their brilliance weren't going to put it all together until they went to Apple. Jobs was the true idea guy in creating the desktop computer even if he didn't do much of the engineering. Same with digital media.


The desktop computer was invented by many people, Wozniak and the guys at PARC mostly. Jobs only major contribution was being the guy who ripped Wozniak off, pushed him out of Apple and stole the guys at PARC's ideas. If anybody should have sued it should never have been Jobs and Apple suing Gates and MS but Xerox and the PARC engineers suing Jobs and Apple.

As to digital media iTunes was years late to the party. It wasn't the first music dsitribution platform nor even the first one to do it legally. Once again Jobs out marketed others not out innovated them.

As a simple matter of fact if you actually look into the various innovations credited to Jobs you will find most were ideas outright stolen from others or developed in house at Apple without Jobs being involved. The others are cases where the Apple fanatics have rewritten history to make a late comer to the party into the industry creator, like the ipod.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 4:19:25 PM   
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An incomparable knowledge of computer systems and how they work, he is an incalculable loss to Apple and the technological world in general.

Jobs knew nothing about computer systems and how they work. Jobs was always just a marketing guy. He was never technical and always relied on others to innovate.


Yes, he hired some brilliant people but those people and their brilliance weren't going to put it all together until they went to Apple. Jobs was the true idea guy in creating the desktop computer even if he didn't do much of the engineering. Same with digital media.


The desktop computer was invented by many people, Wozniak and the guys at PARC mostly. Jobs only major contribution was being the guy who ripped Wozniak off, pushed him out of Apple and stole the guys at PARC's ideas. If anybody should have sued it should never have been Jobs and Apple suing Gates and MS but Xerox and the PARC engineers suing Jobs and Apple.

As to digital media iTunes was years late to the party. It wasn't the first music dsitribution platform nor even the first one to do it legally. Once again Jobs out marketed others not out innovated them.

As a simple matter of fact if you actually look into the various innovations credited to Jobs you will find most were ideas outright stolen from others or developed in house at Apple without Jobs being involved. The others are cases where the Apple fanatics have rewritten history to make a late comer to the party into the industry creator, like the ipod.

Thomas Edison 'invented' the electric generator (DC) so what ? George Westinghouse invented and actually sold the AC generator. To 'invent' something now is not nearly as difficult with the patent regime we have in place (300 and counting, not all Job's as Edison's were not all his) but it was Jobs finding a marketable platform (application) that the public would buy and they did buy.

Engineer or not, it was the whole concept of the 'personal' computer that Jobs brought together and guess what...HAD to sell where there was no such thing. With Wozniak having profited from Apple as he did might have little grounds to sue for anything.

Xerox GAVE the mouse away thinking it of no use. Still, without the interactive desktop and IBM, there would be a PC but no Gates. (Experts have always wondered what the PC market would be like if IBM had just stayed home and developed their own PC platform and OS)

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 4:21:58 PM   
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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 4:39:16 PM   
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An incomparable knowledge of computer systems and how they work, he is an incalculable loss to Apple and the technological world in general.

Jobs knew nothing about computer systems and how they work. Jobs was always just a marketing guy. He was never technical and always relied on others to innovate.


Yes, he hired some brilliant people but those people and their brilliance weren't going to put it all together until they went to Apple. Jobs was the true idea guy in creating the desktop computer even if he didn't do much of the engineering. Same with digital media.


The desktop computer was invented by many people, Wozniak and the guys at PARC mostly. Jobs only major contribution was being the guy who ripped Wozniak off, pushed him out of Apple and stole the guys at PARC's ideas. If anybody should have sued it should never have been Jobs and Apple suing Gates and MS but Xerox and the PARC engineers suing Jobs and Apple.

As to digital media iTunes was years late to the party. It wasn't the first music dsitribution platform nor even the first one to do it legally. Once again Jobs out marketed others not out innovated them.

As a simple matter of fact if you actually look into the various innovations credited to Jobs you will find most were ideas outright stolen from others or developed in house at Apple without Jobs being involved. The others are cases where the Apple fanatics have rewritten history to make a late comer to the party into the industry creator, like the ipod.

Thomas Edison 'invented' the electric generator (DC) so what ? George Westinghouse invented and actually sold the AC generator. To 'invent' something now is not nearly as difficult with the patent regime we have in place (300 and counting, not all Job's as Edison's were not all his) but it was Jobs finding a marketable platform (application) that the public would buy and they did buy.

Jobs held no patents. Jobs never invented nor claimed to have invented anything. He knew the real innovators in the industry, who uniformly despise him, would have humiliated him if he ever tried to make such a claim.

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Engineer or not, it was the whole concept of the 'personal' computer that Jobs brought together and guess what...HAD to sell where there was no such thing. With Wozniak having profited from Apple as he did might have little grounds to sue for anything.

Jobs did no such thing. Jobs was simply the guy who hung around Wozniak in the early days. Kind of a glorified business manager. Jobs was a collosal failure back in those days and was considered the major reason Apple fell so far behind IBM in the desktop marketplace. He was the guy who pushed the Apple III and the Lisa and tried to initially cancel the Mac. Even once he took over the Mac project all he succeeded in doing was producing a sub par clone of the PARC desktops, that were already almost 10 years old.

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Xerox GAVE the mouse away thinking it of no use. Still, without the interactive desktop and IBM, there would be a PC but no Gates. (Experts have always wondered what the PC market would be like if IBM had just stayed home and developed their own PC platform and OS)

Xerox developed everything you think of when you think of the original Mac not just the mouse.

I know of no such experts. It is very well known that they went out of house for the OS because they didn't have the expertise to produce one on the timescale they had. When they did finally produce one of their own it was a disaster.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 4:45:01 PM   
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well it is interesting , the commercial is almost prophetic, since the illuminti proposed 1984 mentality will surely be brought down by web communications.


Ain't that fucking pretty?
Glad you're making this observation ... haunted me all night... wondered if uttering it outloud would spoil it.... thanks for bringing that up

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t has come to mind recently that noone  makes huge amounts of money in this world without paying a huge price spiritualy. I think if people truly looked into the intentions of the gates foundations they might be surprised at how closly the are attached to the NWO agenda. 


Please don't equate the lizard boy to Steve Jobs... Lizard boy is all about NWO, whereas Jobs and many of the people who worked closely with him were polar opposites to that .... the fat guy they'll keep talking to as the week wears on Steve Wozniak went one time and blew his wad to put on a pretty cool rock festival called the Us Festival just to bring people together and kick off the 80s in a more meaningful way. It was his rebellion to the Me Decade. Jobs was of course more businessy but he had similar goals... and the past three weeks have served up ample proof of that.

"Get out your pans don't just stand there dreamin'
Get out the way" - The lyrics blaring from the SUV driven by my former boss Frank Ingari when he brought Steve alone back from Logan the day of our IPO (Mac was a HUGE partner in ourt endeavor and Frank wanted Steve to Open open the festivities). From that moment on I was pretty sure I had Steve Jobs' number.
    Steve was no more about NWO than Robert Hunter is



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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 4:52:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah because giving all kids access to the internet at school and trying wipe out TB globally are certainly projects meant to advance oppression of all under a world government.

Or maybe you mean the nearly $10 million they gave to microfinance groups? Or maybe you meant the quarter of a billion dollars he gave to a bunh of HIV researchers while requiring them to share their data freely?

Or maybe you don't have a fucking clue what the Gates Foundation does with its money?

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