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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 5:11:57 PM

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Xerox GAVE the mouse away thinking it of no use. Still, without the interactive desktop and IBM, there would be a PC but no Gates. (Experts have always wondered what the PC market would be like if IBM had just stayed home and developed their own PC platform and OS)

Take it from a former IBM employee.... They DID... It was called OS2 and it was a whole lot stronger than Win3.11 ... but it was harder too. And we lost.
Such is life... The car thief beat us .(and before ya go saying I am name calling, know I was on the support team for excel before that)... IBM only knew how to sell to business .. that's still the case.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 6:09:24 PM

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Steve Jobs was an icon. Icons are not supposed to die. They are supposed to live on. He kept at it for as long as his strength held which makes him a hero. He loved us.

Steve Jobs in my opinion was a truly dominant male. He cared which was the reason he was such a harsh task master. He understood what was possible and did not want us to have less.

Long Live Steve Jobs!

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 7:05:36 PM

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well, this article states that Steve Jobs registered 338 US patents/applications...

"Mr Jobs registered an incredible 338 U.S. patents or patent applications for technology and electronic accessories, reported the International Business Times."

regarding charities-
"His charitable giving has always been a secret topic, just like most other elements of his lifestyle.
Mr Jobs reportedly declined to get involved with the Giving Pledge - founded by Warren Buffett and Bill Gates to get the wealthiest people to give away at least half of their wealth.
But he is rumoured to have given $150million to the Helen Diller Family Comprehensive Cancer Center at the University of California in San Francisco, reported the New York Times.
It is cancer organisations that are most likely to be supported if any charities are in his will, as he died on Wednesday at the age of 56 from the pancreatic form of the illness."

Imo, he did an amazing amount of work, imo it doesnt matter if he invented everything or anything, he was a catalyst and made things happen.. building a better mousetrap isnt enough,.. someone needs to do a better job at marketing it and convincing people to want to buy it, use it and tell their friends how great it is.. he did that for apple..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046031/Steve-Jobs-death-Apple-boss-tangled-family-inherit-8-3bn-fortune.html

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/6/2011 7:14:14 PM

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Wow. He started Apple, Pixar, and NeXt. Two home runs and a dud.

He helped create the desktop computer world we now have, and he helped destroy it via popularizing mobile computing.

He totally changed the way the cellphone industry works by treating the carriers as commodities and the phones as the main event, and rocked the media world with iTunes.

He turned Apple from a corpse to the #2 company in the USA.

He also prodded Disney to dump Eisner by threatening to stop their relationship with Pixar unless there was a management change.

I doubt I'd like the guy if I had met him, but he sure made his mark on the world.

I don't know his entire history here but I think I'd have to say....something he spent 30 million on ("Next") and sold for 400 million.....I'm not sure I'd classify that as a dud.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 12:08:58 AM

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He was the face of Apple thats for sure. He transformed Apple from a nothing loss making company into a multi billion industry whose products are popular world wide today
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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 2:35:10 AM

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well, this article states that Steve Jobs registered 338 US patents/applications...

"Mr Jobs registered an incredible 338 U.S. patents or patent applications for technology and electronic accessories, reported the International Business Times."

He registered patents on behalf of Apple employees. It is standard practice in the US, where only individuals can file patents, for the employee's company to file the patent for the employee. Jobs never invented a single thing and none of those patents are for his own creations.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 2:36:31 AM

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Wow. He started Apple, Pixar, and NeXt. Two home runs and a dud.

He helped create the desktop computer world we now have, and he helped destroy it via popularizing mobile computing.

He totally changed the way the cellphone industry works by treating the carriers as commodities and the phones as the main event, and rocked the media world with iTunes.

He turned Apple from a corpse to the #2 company in the USA.

He also prodded Disney to dump Eisner by threatening to stop their relationship with Pixar unless there was a management change.

I doubt I'd like the guy if I had met him, but he sure made his mark on the world.

I don't know his entire history here but I think I'd have to say....something he spent 30 million on ("Next") and sold for 400 million.....I'm not sure I'd classify that as a dud.

Jobs spent 30 million on NeXt and then spent 400 million of Apple's money to buy it after Apple brought him back as CEO.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 2:39:20 AM

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He was the face of Apple thats for sure. He transformed Apple from a nothing loss making company into a multi billion industry whose products are popular world wide today
kevin

Actually he transformed Apple from the industry leader in desktop computers to an also ran that was on the verge of bankruptcy. That's why he was fired by Apple in the first place.

His major success since has been making a lot of products that don't capture major market share but are status symbols for some people so Apple can charge far above market rates for electronic devices of average quality.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 2:45:26 AM

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What is your problem? This thread is about offering respectful thoughts to an innovative man who died from a horrible disease. It isn't about blathering on an on about what he didn't do. Keep it to yourself or start your own thread.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 4:28:46 AM

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He was so much more than Gates, it is ridiculous. Gates didn't do a damn thing except get lucky.

Actually, Gates started off writing his own code for Microsoft, and had sold two or three versions of BASIC (for apparently nonexistant desktop computers that existed before Apple came into being) while Jobs was holding down a job at Atari by having Steve Wozniak do his programming for him in the evening and selling blue boxes.
If one of the two owes their success purely to luck, I'd have said it was the one who was able to launch his career by freeloading off a far more talented, but rather niave, friend, given that Microsoft was already doing pretty well when IBM came calling...

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 4:32:29 AM

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He was so much more than Gates, it is ridiculous. Gates didn't do a damn thing except get lucky.

Actually, Gates started off writing his own code for Microsoft, and had sold two or three versions of BASIC (for apparently nonexistant desktop computers that existed before Apple came into being) while Jobs was holding down a job at Atari by having Steve Wozniak do his programming for him in the evening and selling blue boxes.
If one of the two owes their success purely to luck, I'd have said it was the one who was able to launch his career by freeloading off a far more talented, but rather niave, friend, given that Microsoft was already doing pretty well when IBM came calling...

Who cares???? Start your own thread. This thread isn't about who did what.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 4:43:52 AM

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If you don't like critical comments about the man, don't go making statements about him that are so untrue that they're guaranteed to drive somebody to point out that you're mistaken.

Jobs was an excellent salesman and a grand master of PR. However, he had bugger all to do with anything technical at Apple. Even John Sculley managed to achieve more in that respect, sadly, which is why a few people are getting a trifle narked at all this "Jobs invented the desktop computer" stuff.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 5:24:38 AM

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Wow. That's lame. Quote me on what I said about Jobs. And after you're done doing that, explain how it relates to your statement. And I'd also like you to explain how your nasty-spirited comments have any place in a thread about condolences for a man who has died too young.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 5:53:00 AM

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Wow. That's lame. Quote me on what I said about Jobs. And after you're done doing that, explain how it relates to your statement. And I'd also like you to explain how your nasty-spirited comments have any place in a thread about condolences for a man who has died too young.

Here you go.

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This thread is about offering respectful thoughts to an innovative man who died from a horrible disease.

As I've already said, Jobs was not a technical innovator in any way shape or form.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 6:59:54 AM

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well, this article states that Steve Jobs registered 338 US patents/applications...

"Mr Jobs registered an incredible 338 U.S. patents or patent applications for technology and electronic accessories, reported the International Business Times."

He registered patents on behalf of Apple employees. It is standard practice in the US, where only individuals can file patents, for the employee's company to file the patent for the employee. Jobs never invented a single thing and none of those patents are for his own creations.

you claim Jobs held no patents, that article proves you wrong.. The article never said he invented them, just that he held them. And after all, someone has to in order to get a patent and he was the ceo...

i think it has to be much more than an coincidence that when he came back to apple, that all the ipods and ipads came to be and apple turned around financially to become a powerhouse once again, he was the director of what products were invented, he didnt need to develop them physically himself, why else did apple need employees in the first place?..

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 8:30:34 AM

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If you're going to pick nits, would it be worth pointing that the iPod wasn't actually developed by Apple, and they just bought out another companies product?
(For what it's worth, it was more the first iMac that turned Apple's fortunes around: the iPod didn't turn up until the turn of the millennium.)

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 9:28:56 AM

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well, this article states that Steve Jobs registered 338 US patents/applications...

"Mr Jobs registered an incredible 338 U.S. patents or patent applications for technology and electronic accessories, reported the International Business Times."

He registered patents on behalf of Apple employees. It is standard practice in the US, where only individuals can file patents, for the employee's company to file the patent for the employee. Jobs never invented a single thing and none of those patents are for his own creations.

you claim Jobs held no patents, that article proves you wrong.. The article never said he invented them, just that he held them. And after all, someone has to in order to get a patent and he was the ceo...

i think it has to be much more than an coincidence that when he came back to apple, that all the ipods and ipads came to be and apple turned around financially to become a powerhouse once again, he was the director of what products were invented, he didnt need to develop them physically himself, why else did apple need employees in the first place?..

Apple owns the patents not Jobs. The patents never mention Jobs. You can go look them up.

Actually Apple's resurrection has far more to do with the march of technology than anything Jobs did. Simply put the hardware finally got fast enough and capable enough that DTP and graphic design software was worth using. Mac's had a reputation for being useful for those applications and so their market share rebounded. The iPod was simply a very expensive MP3 player that had a proprietary DRM system that forced the consumer to only buy media from Apple.

Apple is still not a powwerhouse in any field. Even their biggest product, the iPhone, doesn't come anywhere near dominating the smartphone market, Android does and has actually been increasing the margin as of late.

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 9:48:28 AM

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yeah right ... so where/how did you come up with your avatar ? its interesting since you mention jobs as in the context of "we" like you were right there with him.

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Yeah because giving all kids access to the internet at school and trying wipe out TB globally are certainly projects meant to advance oppression of all under a world government.

Or maybe you mean the nearly $10 million they gave to microfinance groups? Or maybe you meant the quarter of a billion dollars he gave to a bunh of HIV researchers while requiring them to share their data freely?

Or maybe you don't have a fucking clue what the Gates Foundation does with its money?

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 9:57:08 AM

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Apple owns the patents not Jobs. The patents never mention Jobs. You can go look them up.

Actually Apple's resurrection has far more to do with the march of technology than anything Jobs did. Simply put the hardware finally got fast enough and capable enough that DTP and graphic design software was worth using. Mac's had a reputation for being useful for those applications and so their market share rebounded. The iPod was simply a very expensive MP3 player that had a proprietary DRM system that forced the consumer to only buy media from Apple.

Apple is still not a powwerhouse in any field. Even their biggest product, the iPhone, doesn't come anywhere near dominating the smartphone market, Android does and has actually been increasing the margin as of late.

really? The patents never mention Jobs? They are assigned to apple, jobs is listed (thats the way patents work), a search proves that he along with various others are indeed named. But i am not going to look up all 328 for ya..
http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week47/OG/html/1360-4/USD0627777-20101123.html

Imo, it doesnt matter squat if apple actually invented its various products or bought out other companies, apple (& Jobs) is what made many of them successes. A company doesnt have to be #1 to be a powerhouse, imo.. And if it were not for Jobs, apple would not be the company it is today, no matter the march of technology.. it was in the toilet before he came back and turned it around (which many people never thought he could)..

But, i get that certain people have a hate-on for him... Good thing he didnt care what other people thought of him, his job was to get things done, not win a popularity contest.. Imo, his drive and determination also helped him fight as long and hard as possible in his personal war against cancer..

eta- the author of his autobiography said Job's was in extreme pain after he resigned,.. i feel so much for his wife and family that had to watch him suffer like that..

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RE: Rest In Peace Steve Jobs - 10/7/2011 10:53:09 AM

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No one did it like Steve...
And a fuckload Tried

yea, and they succeeded. the only fucking reason there is an apple is because gates bailed them out in the 90s.

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