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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/7/2011 11:49:09 PM

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Why are we saying no to more legal income, industry and jobs on US soil?

The Feds have an extreme hate on for pot and hemp, they have even extradited & jailed Canadians whose only "crime" was selling pot seeds.. Once the US govt targets something it just never lets go and it never changes its mind (that would be like admitting they were wrong).

I read once that the war on pot started cuz the cotton and paper industry and powerful business owners didnt like hemp fiber as it was competition so they lobbied the govt to make pot and hemp illegal.. Hemp had only been made legal to import into the US in the last few years, i believe. I still think it is illegal to grow hemp in the US, even tho they were talking about making it legal for farmers to grow, not sure if that ever happened or not.. i somehow doubt it..

It will take one or two generations of new congressmen/senators for this situation with pot to change, imo.. maybe not even then..

And its the Feds that can print all the money they want so making pot legal and taxing it isnt necessary for them to do at all.. so they simply dont have that motivation to tax it that the states, counties and cities do.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 12:12:35 AM

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nope, no surprise to me.. all those naive people that kept telling me pot would be legal soon.. telling me the feds would have to make it so... it will be a hundred years more before that comes anywhere near happening...

the real issue here is wtf gives the gubafia the authority to tell anyone what drug, herbal, medicine, what the fuck ever that they may or may not take?

They have no legitimate authority what so ever.

Well aside from stoopid americans who cowar and hide on that and every other bullshit usurpation of rights these assholes stomp all over.

Did anyone here consent to the assholes telling you what you can and cant ingest and then enforce it at the end of a barrel of a gun no less?

Either your body and control of it is your property or it is not.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 12:18:07 AM

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The Feds have an extreme hate on for pot and hemp, they have even extradited & jailed Canadians whose only "crime" was selling pot seeds.. Once the US govt targets something it just never lets go and it never changes its mind (that would be like admitting they were wrong).

no that is NOT what its about.

the drug market is the baby of the mi6 and the cia. They let the shit run long enough to get a lot of people into it, then tighten down to create the black market. There is money in prosecution and money in the black market of which the cia primary source of income for off book projects.

Its no secret this has been out there and known for a long time.

It is an "interest" of certain people and passed from over there to over here.

OPIUM WARS

Drug money is the baby of the elite.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 1:48:55 AM

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Obama is protecting the interests of the Pharmaceutical Companies.

They are patenting and developing a lot of THC based pills to treat mental illness, glaucoma etc and the Feds are going along:

http://www.naturalnews.com/031489_DEA_legalized_marijuana.html

Big Pharma does NOT want to compete with the real thing. After all Marinol has already killed 4 people, they won't be able to sell their garbage pills if MMJ isn't crushed under the boot heel of the Feds.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 7:39:23 AM

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I think cannabis prohibition will end sooner if more MM patients die while the Feds "make examples" of them. And crackdowns like this certainly increase the odds. Does anyone remember the author Peter McWilliams? He's one of the casualties of this war on our families and neighbors. You might have heard of or read his book, Life 101, but the shit hit the fan after he wrote his final book, Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do--The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in a Free Society. It's a great book, and what our government did to him after he wrote it was extremely cruel. But not cruel and unusual...

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 9:46:07 AM

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Oh for fuck sake, people! This is the problem with discussing a drug that has paranoia as a common side effect.

There is no grand conspiracy. Was Hearst concerned about the potential impact of hemp paper on his holdings in timber? Maybe, but he was mostly interested in creating storms of yellow journalism to sell lots of newspapers. Commercial hemp hasn't taken off where it is legal because of the tremendous bulk you wind up with, and the ensuing problems with transporting the crop for processing. We are geared towards large scale processing, in big, centralized industry, and hemp doesn't fit well in that infrastructure model.

The puritans were pissed that banning booze hadn't worked, the politicians needed an issue, the police needed something to do, and the papers were always hungry for something lurid to put on the front and editorial pages. A bandwagon was born, and drug laws later became a very convenient way for the frightened authoritarians to push back against the youth movement of the 60's/70's.

It has created an ugly, and unbelievably stupid status quo, that the conspiracy minded will look at and declare to have been the goal all along. To call it all a grand design though, is to assume that the Powers That Be are truly that brilliantly smart, when the much simpler answer is that they are really that ignorant and shortsighted.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 10:03:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Oh for fuck sake, people! This is the problem with discussing a drug that has paranoia as a common side effect.

There is no grand conspiracy. Was Hearst concerned about the potential impact of hemp paper on his holdings in timber? Maybe, but he was mostly interested in creating storms of yellow journalism to sell lots of newspapers. Commercial hemp hasn't taken off where it is legal because of the tremendous bulk you wind up with, and the ensuing problems with transporting the crop for processing. We are geared towards large scale processing, in big, centralized industry, and hemp doesn't fit well in that infrastructure model.

The puritans were pissed that banning booze hadn't worked, the politicians needed an issue, the police needed something to do, and the papers were always hungry for something lurid to put on the front and editorial pages. A bandwagon was born, and drug laws later became a very convenient way for the frightened authoritarians to push back against the youth movement of the 60's/70's.

It has created an ugly, and unbelievably stupid status quo, that the conspiracy minded will look at and declare to have been the goal all along. To call it all a grand design though, is to assume that the Powers That Be are truly that brilliantly smart, when the much simpler answer is that they are really that ignorant and shortsighted.

yeah right.. and the war with Iraq wasnt all about oil...

Since i have never smoked pot (or do any drugs), I dont have the side effect of paranoia.. I know growing hemp was legal in the US until it and pot were demonized and made illegal, that is a fact.. I personally believe that for some people and certain medical conditions pot is what they need and it should be legal, just as booze is.. but thats jmo..

Hemp has so many uses, it is green, can be made into many things, even used in construction in various products.. each type of crop has its positives and negatives.. but, while the US continues to keep growing it illegal, Canadian farmers will benefit and profit as hemp is legal to grow and process there and export to the US, be it protein powder or clothing or whatever hemp product.. which is fine by me..

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 10:37:23 AM

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yeah right.. and the war with Iraq wasnt all about oil...

Who is making any such claim, Tj444? And what does it have to do with the subject at hand, besides pointing out how foolish it is to think that the schemes of the Powers That Be are all that smart?

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 10:58:30 AM

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Hemp has so many uses, it is green, can be made into many things, even used in construction in various products.. each type of crop has its positives and negatives.. but, while the US continues to keep growing it illegal, Canadian farmers will benefit and profit as hemp is legal to grow and process there and export to the US, be it protein powder or clothing or whatever hemp product.. which is fine by me..

It is those Canadian farmers who are discovering that it is a pain to make it profitable, or the industry would be booming. They either have the significant capital expense of building small, localized, limited output infrastructure to turn the raw material into a product, or the costs to transport a high volume, low density material to processing plants that are big enough to pay off on the initial investment. I happen to think that where there is a will, there is a way, and that necessity is the mother of invention. As the cotton gin revolutionized that industry, so I think we will ultimately see a development that overcomes these hurdles.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 11:18:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: isoLadyOwner

Obama is protecting the interests of the Pharmaceutical Companies.

They are patenting and developing a lot of THC based pills to treat mental illness, glaucoma etc and the Feds are going along:

http://www.naturalnews.com/031489_DEA_legalized_marijuana.html

Big Pharma does NOT want to compete with the real thing. After all Marinol has already killed 4 people, they won't be able to sell their garbage pills if MMJ isn't crushed under the boot heel of the Feds.

yes over and above the interests of the people!

see we need a nationwide "people of america" corporation (separate from the gubafia) to protect our rights and play the corporation game in the deMOBcracy.

Then americans could sit back and say ok bitch come git soem to the feds and all the assholes that want to stomp our rights.

I would bet that constitution would become gold over night.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 11:54:25 AM

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yeah right.. and the war with Iraq wasnt all about oil...

Since i have never smoked pot (or do any drugs), I dont have the side effect of paranoia.. I know growing hemp was legal in the US until it and pot were demonized and made illegal, that is a fact.. I personally believe that for some people and certain medical conditions pot is what they need and it should be legal, just as booze is.. but thats jmo..

Hemp has so many uses, it is green, can be made into many things, even used in construction in various products.. each type of crop has its positives and negatives.. but, while the US continues to keep growing it illegal, Canadian farmers will benefit and profit as hemp is legal to grow and process there and export to the US, be it protein powder or clothing or whatever hemp product.. which is fine by me..

ok but who gave the gubafia the authority to declare it illegal and enforce it on the people?

How about them restricting antineoplaston cancer cure technology to texas?

Why?

So big corp can make money off of failed or highly marginal drugs/procedures that milk you of your money and off little to no result, or KEEP YOU COMING BACK!

The purpose of the gub is to PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS not remove them.

So the bottom line of a couple corps takes priority over the people of the nation at large.

wtf

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 2:10:39 PM

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Real, big agriculture, big pharma, hell, even big oil would benefit from commercially viable and widely available marijuana/hemp. They are not the ones holding it back. You could make a better case for the prison guards being to blame.

The blockage is cultural, not corporate.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 3:43:30 PM

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Hemp has so many uses, it is green, can be made into many things, even used in construction in various products.. each type of crop has its positives and negatives.. but, while the US continues to keep growing it illegal, Canadian farmers will benefit and profit as hemp is legal to grow and process there and export to the US, be it protein powder or clothing or whatever hemp product.. which is fine by me..

It is those Canadian farmers who are discovering that it is a pain to make it profitable, or the industry would be booming. They either have the significant capital expense of building small, localized, limited output infrastructure to turn the raw material into a product, or the costs to transport a high volume, low density material to processing plants that are big enough to pay off on the initial investment. I happen to think that where there is a will, there is a way, and that necessity is the mother of invention. As the cotton gin revolutionized that industry, so I think we will ultimately see a development that overcomes these hurdles.

ummm,... i looked at it when it first became legal in Canada and it was a profitable crop. Imo, the major reason the industry is not booming is due to the fact that to grow it you need to apply for and obtain a license from the govt. After all, pot could easily be grown between the hemp plants if the govt didnt keep a tight lid on growing and inspect crops regularly to insure that doesnt happen. Most farmers would not want to jump thru the reglatory hoops of getting the licence, regular inspections, etc, etc when they can continue to grow what they grow now, even if they would make less than growing hemp.. And the market for hemp products would need to be developed further as well.. I sorta like the construction material aspect of hemp, but then you gotta get into battling the building permit depts for approval to use it.. And they soooo dont like anything new and different..

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 4:00:48 PM

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yeah right.. and the war with Iraq wasnt all about oil...

Who is making any such claim, Tj444? And what does it have to do with the subject at hand, besides pointing out how foolish it is to think that the schemes of the Powers That Be are all that smart?

Considering that Iraq had nothing to do with OBL & 9/11.. considering how Cheny's buddies and oil companies made out from the Iraq war,.. and considering how Bush wanted to finish what his daddy started.. when the govt decides they want to invade they will find any excuse (9/11) the gullible public will accept to justify going in and taking what they want. jmo..

I was being a little sarcastic with the comment tho.. However, I do think that the govt does wait for opportunities to implement unpalatable policies on the public (& other countries) so the can then claim they are doing it for an entirely more politically acceptable reason..

One could say since the govt didnt want to go in and arrest all the people involved in the medical pot industry (& perhaps generate considerable public outrage and protests), they decided instead to use tax law and bankrupt the dispensaries instead.. easier and much more efficient and more cost effective for the govt.. It puts the medical pot industry right back to square one, effectively..

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 6:56:58 PM

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Why is "loco weed" illegal?

Hemp is actually an Agricultural Commodity

Differences between Hemp and Marijuana

It is a combination of cultural and financial.

15 year old report on financial impact of growing hemp in Kentucky

Take into account that refinement, growing and cultivation processes have improved dramatically for Industrial Hemp

The DEA does not acknowledge the difference in Hemp and Marijuana

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 10:13:01 PM

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Can I throw in an opinion?

I live in California, and running an errand maybe a mile and a half away, I can pass up to 15 medical marijuana dispensaries. There are said to be hundreds of them just in my city.

The original purpose of providing medical marijuana has been totally corrupted. You only need to state you get headaches to get a marijuana card from the "doctor" at the dispensary, and most of the customers seem to be 18 to 25 year olds. This was one of the points brought up by the Feds.

Another point was that the people who legally grow marijuana here to suppy the dispensaries are apparently shipping it to other states. I don't know how that would fit in with our law, but that was brought up by the Feds, since its crossing state lines.

I'm not sure if this plays in with the Federal issue, but its been reported here that EVERY medical marijuana dispensary in our county is illegal as none of them have obtained business licenses or permits. They just pop up on the weekend, stick up their green cross sign, and start selling. We have zero money in our county, and the business license money would be appreciated.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 10:16:45 PM

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Crackdown on MEDICAL pot. Cool, mine aint medical, I just get high on it. What a relief.

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 10:20:57 PM

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It's hard to believe that people can be this stupid.

We have a hierarchy of laws in this country. You have laws from your city, your county, your state and your federal government.

Guess which is the highest? That's right, Federal Law! Big surprise there.

So even if our Chief Executive was dumb enough to make a promise that he would put Marijuana low down on the totem pole, that's only 4 years people. Eight years at most.

In the meantime, you set up a business and start selling? How stupid can you be? The Federal Law (Which supersedes state law) hasn't changed. Marijuana is still illegal. And now, you've made it simple for the Feds to do their job.

Thank you to all the dope smokers out there. You've made your federal government richer through your efforts. Nothing like a little asset forfeiture to help balance the budget, eh?

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 11:13:22 PM

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The minute its sent across state lines it enters federal jurisdiction... even if they had none within the state, which they do.

As I asked on the other thread... whats up with the accusations of money laundering?

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RE: DOJ Launches 'Coordinated Crackdown' on Medical Mar... - 10/8/2011 11:22:48 PM

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Thank you to all the dope smokers out there. You've made your federal government richer through your efforts. Nothing like a little asset forfeiture to help balance the budget, eh?

You're welcome, Theon. We are going to force the matter, thank you very much. Want some savings? Want some money in the federal coffers? Legalize the whole plant and get the taxes, while we stop pouring the billions down the decades long failure called the war on drugs. You don't seriously believe what we are doing is working, do you?

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