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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:08:52 AM

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It must be that you are on the topic Cain, since you are not a derailer and are a purveyor of facts.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:12:18 AM

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WTF are you going on about now... damn, it would be nice to have an intelligent discussion here, occasionally.

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It must be that you are on the topic Cain, since you are not a derailer and are a purveyor of facts.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:18:41 AM

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Well, if you would leave we would have one.

Cain stated in his vision for Godfathers by example that there would be over 1000 restaraunts in 3 years, and actually he closed about 20 percent of them and laid off 3-400 people.

His part in the major downfall of Aquila – where he was on the board of directors for much of the 1990s and early 2000s..............

If You Don’t Have a Job & You’re Not Rich, Blame Yourself......

Yes, these are the sort of things to get this country moving again....

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:20:05 AM

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You got these lies and smears from DailyKOS, or where did you get them

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Well, if you would leave we would have one.

Cain stated in his vision for Godfathers by example that there would be over 1000 restaraunts in 3 years, and actually he closed about 20 percent of them and laid off 3-400 people.

His part in the major downfall of Aquila – where he was on the board of directors for much of the 1990s and early 2000s..............

If You Don’t Have a Job & You’re Not Rich, Blame Yourself......

Yes, these are the sort of things to get this country moving again....

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:22:50 AM

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EH, fuck that.

Cain served on the board of directors throughout Aquila's ill-fated trading misadventure and the subsequent collapse of the company's retirement fund. In fact, he chaired the board's compensation committee.

As chair of the compensation committee, Cain also saw fit to dole out $30 million in bonuses, not including stock options, to the top five execs at Aquila in 2002, with the company's stock plummeting.

http://www.law360.com/articles/30637/aquila-settles-erisa-lawsuit-for-10-5m.

Remember the little ditty you said about carpet munchers?

There is more here thats ON RECORD of fiscal irresponsibility than the epic feat of grandeloquence of a necktie in some minor seat of jurisprudence at the Dismal Seepage, Alabama justice of the peace's office.

I think "taking care of number one" is the republican party platform, I don't see much else going on there from any conservative candidate, presumably their constituencies are content to pick up any crumbs that fall from their jaws.

Speaking of being, uh... "co-opted".

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:29:46 AM

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Well, if you would leave we would have one.

Cain stated in his vision for Godfathers by example that there would be over 1000 restaraunts in 3 years, and actually he closed about 20 percent of them and laid off 3-400 people.

His part in the major downfall of Aquila – where he was on the board of directors for much of the 1990s and early 2000s..............

If You Don’t Have a Job & You’re Not Rich, Blame Yourself......

Yes, these are the sort of things to get this country moving again....

That is the consistent message: "if you were so smart, you'd be the one laying people off instead of the one getting laid off".

It's a very exclusionary, zero-sum vision of "success".

"Many are called, few are chosen".

It's so amusing to see all these conservatives thinking they're chosen, when the statistical evidence clearly demonstrates that they're nothing but more grist for the mill.

Sheep are for shearing.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:31:31 AM

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Get the shears boys, here's another one! => You got these lies and smears from DailyKOS, or where did you get them

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:31:50 AM

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Actually no, Conservatives are against government swooping in and taking the few remaining crumbs from the mouths of their future children - all this massive debt, and uncontrolled spending is insane

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I think "taking care of number one" is the republican party platform, I don't see much else going on there from any conservative candidate, presumably their constituencies are content to pick up any crumbs that fall from their jaws.

Speaking of being, uh... "co-opted".

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:35:07 AM

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Nancy Pelosi: : "We have to pass it before we can find out whats in it."

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Nancy Pelosi: : "We have to pass it before we can find out whats in it."

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He is right, bills are too long, too wordy and too hard to read. they should only be the 3 pages long. That is something you can discuss at the dinner table with your children.

It wouldnt matter if congress writes the bills, if its longer than 3 pages long, he would refuse to sign it in to law Thats how you get things done in Washington.

Exactly the people have the right to know what is in bill and should be able to read it. Its not like it was posted on house and senate websites for everyone to read. It also sucked that the house and senate each had their own version. Each congressional were constantly adding and removing amendments from the bill. It was such a burdensome to read and re-read because of all those changes. Even if you had the latest version that passed the house didnt mean you would pass the Senate and the senate wouldnt make any changes. You had to constantly download latest version each time it was brought to floor to be up to date. Its not like the final version of the bill is when both the house and senate pass the bill and the presidents signs it. Thats ridiculous.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:40:25 AM

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After Democrats promised unprecedented openness and when they won the majority in the House, they wrote their bills in secret and kept them hidden away

We are still learning the details of Obamacare, for example

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:41:08 AM

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I havent had a chance to watch it yet but my left leaning gf said Cain throughly embarassed O'Donnell, backing him into corners that he tried to snarl his way out of.

I watched it when it was first aired and again now.

Cain tried to sidestep and dance his way around 80% of the questions.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:41:40 AM

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Talk about Stockholm syndrome, you mean Bush running up the debt while cutting revenues? That's quitting your job before buying a new house.

CBO projections had interest on the debt alone exceeding revenues by 2070, back in 2002.

It's not going to get better until you raise taxes, it ain't magic, there is not one shred of empirical evidence that cutting taxes to levels below expenditures have led to anything but more debt, and slower growth - it's magical thinking. Show me the numbers, any numbers.

Cut spending, by all means, but that includes turning the US military into corporate mercenaries.

You cut spending, then you cut taxes, not the other way around.

Baaaah.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:42:06 AM

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Actually no, Conservatives are against government swooping in and taking the few remaining crumbs from the mouths of their future children - all this massive debt, and uncontrolled spending is insane

If that is true, then why are they the largest perpetrators of these country destroying insanities?

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 8:44:37 AM

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I havent had a chance to watch it yet but my left leaning gf said Cain throughly embarassed O'Donnell, backing him into corners that he tried to snarl his way out of.

I watched it when it was first aired and again now.

Cain tried to sidestep and dance his way around 80% of the questions.

You mean he refused to fall into O'Donnell's patently obvious semantic and political traps, doncha?

I know ... it must be irritating when a conservative refuses to agree to the basic assumptions that conflict with his own beliefs.

Go ahead ... just start shipping us off to the re-education camps now. Or save some more "government money" and pay for that 9mm bullet. Life will all of a sudden be so nice, then ...

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 9:11:21 AM

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FLASHBACK: Obama Says You Don't Raise Taxes In A Recession

Raising taxes takes money away from job creators and gives it to fat and sassy bureaucrats who only take and never create or give. Well, I take that back, they create red tape that makes it tough for businesses to survive...

And what does Bush have to do with this, he was very liberal too. The best of three evils - Gore, Kerry or Bush.

Now we have a big spending leftist in, someone who, even his base is even beginning to hate because of his glaring incompetence.

And we have Cain.

As for cutting spending, Obama has been talking about cutting spending since before he was elected, when we need action a lot more than we need empty rhetoric

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Talk about Stockholm syndrome, you mean Bush running up the debt while cutting revenues? That's quitting your job before buying a new house.

CBO projections had interest on the debt alone exceeding revenues by 2070, back in 2002.

It's not going to get better until you raise taxes, it ain't magic, there is not one shred of empirical evidence that cutting taxes to levels below expenditures have led to anything but more debt, and slower growth - it's magical thinking. Show me the numbers, any numbers.

Cut spending, by all means, but that includes turning the US military into corporate mercenaries.

You cut spending, then you cut taxes, not the other way around.

Baaaah.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 9:13:31 AM

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Cain is a big spender, he is all for appeasing corporations, he gives out tremendous bonus money to top execs for companies that are failing.

We need more of that corporate appeasement.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 9:22:46 AM

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Cain is a big spender

Is that just spittle, or what do you have to back that up

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he is all for appeasing corporations

Creating jobs, and keeping jobs here in the United States? Good, I like that, because leftists hate corporations, and the jobs they bring.

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he gives out tremendous bonus money to top execs for companies that are failing.

Contractual obligations fulfilled, he is honest and he has real life business experience

Change we need, and change we can REALLY believe in

For a change

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We need more of that corporate appeasement.

VS the lefts jobs destruction programs, and crony capitalism? Abso fucking lutely

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 9:35:07 AM

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Is that just spittle, or what do you have to back that up

facts, learn to read.

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Creating jobs, and keeping jobs here in the United States? Good, I like that, because leftists hate corporations, and the jobs they bring.

Yeah, that old asswipe has been a real stale old standby for the teabaggers. But history is not your friend on that account, it shows it up for the pathetic fantasy that is....you might take a look at unemployment figures as well as number of jobs going overseas, and before you start some imbecilic Obama rant, note that the flood of jobs exiting this country has been going on since the last republican house in Ws time.

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 9:36:32 AM

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CAIN is trying to take your money away!!!!!

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RE: Video - Cain Not Black Enough for MSNBC? - 10/8/2011 9:44:31 AM

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Actually no, Conservatives are against government swooping in and taking the few remaining crumbs from the mouths of their future children - all this massive debt, and uncontrolled spending is insane

Your definition of 'massive' is a bit off.

Government racks up $15T on the credit card, and conservative heads explode. The private sector banking industry racks up $700T, and conservative heads mysteriously don't explode. In fact, conservatives play the "politics of envy" card instead, telling us how we could have been a looting banker, too, if we had just applied ourselves more.

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