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What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 2:21:21 PM

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1080p and 120hz. And is a 600 Hz better than 120? 600 is more than 20 so I'd assume so, but in this case it might not be , so I am not assuming anything. And what does it mean when a tv add says internet connected and wifi and youtube on it's box description?

[quote Samsung 46" Class LED-LCD 1080p 120Hz HDTV, 1.2" Ultra-Slim Internet-Connected, UN46D6000 [/quote]

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 2:24:05 PM

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it is 1080 pixels (them little boxes that make up the picture) that is an excellent resolution

the 120hz is the rate at which the picture is refreshed and 120 is very good 60 is less clear and sharp and not so good at say football or fast movements, to get a 600hz refresh rate you will have to peddle your ass on the street a couple years, that would run into the 10s of thousands, and you cant see that fast anyhow.

Its a DAMN good tv. Any of them though, you want to look at from a side angle to see where the picture goes tits up....LED are much better at peripheral picture and more expensive

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 2:53:46 PM

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Actually fries is selling one for very reasonable. They're about 499 dollars right now

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it is 1080 pixels (them little boxes that make up the picture) that is an excellent resolution

the 120hz is the rate at which the picture is refreshed and 120 is very good 60 is less clear and sharp and not so good at say football or fast movements, to get a 600hz refresh rate you will have to peddle your ass on the street a couple years, that would run into the 10s of thousands, and you cant see that fast anyhow.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 3:01:15 PM

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"1080p and 120hz"

In CRT days 1080i was about the best most TVs did. That's because a 33.670 Khz scan rate is tough on a larger screen. A computer monitor could do it because the screen is smaller usually. For a CRT TV to do 1808p it would have to scan at 67.34 Khz which would be extremely expensive. Again because of the screen size and geometry problems.

The "i" means interlaced and the "p" means progressive, progressive is better but means nothing in LCDs and DLPs because they always display progressive. Right now 1080p is the highest resolutiona available. It is not pixels, it is lines. That means there are stacks of 1,080 pixels on the screen, and on a 16:9 screen that means 1,920 stacks. That means about 2.1 million pixels.

Now the refresh is another thing. Normally everything is sent at 60 Hz refresh. There are very few reasons for higher, but one of those is 3D. With a refresh that high you might find a jack on the back labelled "glasses". These are for LCD based 3D glasses that give you full color 3D images and no problems tilting your head or anything like that. It is the second best 3D display technology available now other than true holographs.

The problem here is to use that feature you need to not only pay for the glasses, but also the programming. Maybe they shoot everything in 3D now maybe they don't, but to send it to you takes alot of bandwidth. Bluray can do it but regular DVD can't, at least not effectively.

Now as far as the refresh, there is no reason for 600, did you mean 60 ? The fact is 60 will give you a flicker free display usually, unless it is HUGE ! For 3D double that. there is another number that is the limiting factor in an LCD display which is related. It's quoted as refresh or speed of some sort and the units are milliseconds. Now 16.67 mS gives you good motion at 60 Hz, although very fast moving objects may blur a bit. But then they also do in your eye in the first place.

To do 3D you should go to at least 120Hz which will require about an 8.34 rating. AHA, I remember now, most of them call it response time. About 8 mS will do ya for 3D.

The fast resfresh is what made DLP popular for a time, older LCD was too slow. When DLP came out it was touted as fast and that was totally suited for 3D. Howeve ALL DLPs are projections. that means they have a light in there that burns so damn hot it'll fry a cinderblock, only lasts about a year and costs OVER a hundred bucks. What's more the bulbs go bad alot faster if you use a high power stereo (subwofer near the TV) while watching the TV or if it gets jarred for any reason. They also do not tolerate power outages well because the fan must run for a few minutes after turnoff or the plastic parts will melt. No shit, thousands of dollars and they are that cheaply built. Junk really.

Here's a link to give you an idea of the attitude of the companies that build TVs now :

http://gadgetbox.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/09/23/7926490-vizio-tells-owners-their-sets-are-unrepairable

$1,800 and throw it in the garbage in one year.

My suggestion is to buy used. Either from a used shop or a private party. Let someone else take the depreciation and when it breaks, toss it. It's just a bit less money out of your pocket.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 3:24:21 PM

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 3:44:44 PM

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Nope, I meant 600, but they do have 60 and then they have 120. So if you can find a tv that's 1080 and then 60 hz and it's the same size as the one with 1080 and 120 hz, it's just as good probably?

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Now as far as the refresh, there is no reason for 600, did you mean 60 ? The fact is 60 will give you a flicker free display usually, unless it is HUGE ! For 3D double that. there is another number that is the limiting factor in an LCD display which is related. It's quoted as refresh or speed of some sort and the units are milliseconds. Now 16.67 mS gives you good motion at 60 Hz, although very fast moving objects may blur a bit. But then they also do in your eye in the first place.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 3:45:48 PM

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Have you heard of it's my right to ask if I want to, instead of google and if ya don't like it tough titty?

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 4:02:34 PM

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Nope, I meant 600, but they do have 60 and then they have 120. So if you can find a tv that's 1080 and then 60 hz and it's the same size as the one with 1080 and 120 hz, it's just as good probably?

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Now as far as the refresh, there is no reason for 600, did you mean 60 ? The fact is 60 will give you a flicker free display usually, unless it is HUGE ! For 3D double that. there is another number that is the limiting factor in an LCD display which is related. It's quoted as refresh or speed of some sort and the units are milliseconds. Now 16.67 mS gives you good motion at 60 Hz, although very fast moving objects may blur a bit. But then they also do in your eye in the first place.

Unless you are looking at blu ray or hd alot and detailed stuff, you can get by with 720p and 60hz for less than 50" and less than 10 feet.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 5:39:50 PM

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Yes, We'd be watching high definition a lot, our cable box is high def and the tv would be high def. And I want a 42 inch tv. I'd settle for a 32 however.

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Unless you are looking at blu ray or hd alot and detailed stuff, you can get by with 720p and 60hz for less than 50" and less than 10 feet.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 6:25:14 PM

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1080p and 120hz. And is a 600 Hz better than 120? 600 is more than 20 so I'd assume so, but in this case it might not be , so I am not assuming anything. And what does it mean when a tv add says internet connected and wifi and youtube on it's box description?

[quote Samsung 46" Class LED-LCD 1080p 120Hz HDTV, 1.2" Ultra-Slim Internet-Connected, UN46D6000

It sounds like a good TV. Samsung have had good reviews in the past for their plasmas (not sure about LEDs). I suggest you google the model number of the TV to see if it there are any consumer reviews or good magazine reviews online.

1080p means that the TV can display 1080 lines progressively where the entire image is presented in a fashion that allows for better motion than 1080i. Interlacing is the way all older TVs worked in the past and some newer TVs still do.

A 600Hz TV applies to plasmas rather than LEDs and LCDs as far as I know. Its fitted to high-end Panasonic plasma TVs. 120 Hz is good un itself as it multiplies the normal scanning rate to give a more stable image on large screen TVs.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 6:41:23 PM

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When we were doing the research to purchase our television the reviews on Amazon were a lot of help. As was the Best Buy website. Best Buy has a facts and questions section that will tell you everything you ever wanted to know about televisions. They also have a section for customers to write reviews just like Amazon. For instance, I learned that the television we bought had series number that had a faulty component that later built models did not have. Because of the reviews I knew to be sure to avoid a any television that had a certain letter in the number.

Our television is LED (because of the lower operating temperatures and lower energy usage that was necessary to me) and the brand is LG. We've been very happy with it. Right now we seem to be flipping back and forth between a baseball game and a college football game......exciting stuff. But by gosh I can see the beads of sweat on the player's face!

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 7:14:55 PM

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1080p and 120hz. And is a 600 Hz better than 120? 600 is more than 20 so I'd assume so, but in this case it might not be , so I am not assuming anything. And what does it mean when a tv add says internet connected and wifi and youtube on it's box description?

That one's easy. It means that your TV is internet connected, it has wifi and you can get youtube on it.

(I'm glad I could help).

[quote Samsung 46" Class LED-LCD 1080p 120Hz HDTV, 1.2" Ultra-Slim Internet-Connected, UN46D6000

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 10:30:08 PM

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Lat, when we zero in on a tvwe're gonna read reviews yup. I already heard one brand has a lot of problems withbeing short lived before breaking down.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 11:20:45 PM

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1080p and 120hz. And is a 600 Hz better than 120? 600 is more than 20 so I'd assume so, but in this case it might not be , so I am not assuming anything. And what does it mean when a tv add says internet connected and wifi and youtube on it's box description?

[quote Samsung 46" Class LED-LCD 1080p 120Hz HDTV, 1.2" Ultra-Slim Internet-Connected, UN46D6000

What it all means :

1080p - This means it displays 1080 lines of resolution. Each row of pixels represents one line. Progressive scan refers to the way the picture is decoded digitally, making up twice as many interlaced, this removes motion artifacts and sharpens the picture. Progressive is standard on nearly all high definition televisions now.

120hz - this refers to the rate that each pixel is capable of changing colors. In other words, the faster this rate is, the sharper the picture will be, eliminating "blur" during fast motion scenes. An example would be a baseball being thrown by a pitcher. The higher the refresh rate, the sharper the ball will look on the screen.

Youtube and WiFi means that you can connect the television to your wireless router without running an ethernet cable to the television to watch video online from youtube. You would just go to the application from the television menu, click on youtube (there might be a short key on the remote) and then do a search for whatever it is you wish to watch.

What you need to know :

What no one here has bothered to mention and what you should be looking at are what kind of connections the television is capable of. Each piece of equipment you want to connect will require one connection, additionally many of the current peripherals use HDMI but not all of them do. For example, a regular DVD player or camcorder will likely have a component video, svideo, and composite video. These are not compatible with HDMI connections. So be sure to look at what you plan to hook your t.v. into first.

Secondly, if you have HD from an outside source, such as satellite or cable, be sure that you are using an HDMI cable to connect it to the t.v. You get at best 720p with component video or 1080i with digital coax. You cannot get full 1080p without a DVI or HDMI cable. HDMI is preffered as it has the audio signal included in the cable, and it's digital quality, as opposed to analog that most component/composite/coax connections use. For each piece of HD equipment you connect to your t.v., you will need an HD cable, either HDMI or DVI. If you do not have these allready you will need to purchase them in order to get HD out of the unit. For example, XBOX 360 and PS3 do not come with these cables, they come with component video cables, wich give at best 720p, even if you put a blue ray into the ps3, it will only display at 720p, not 1080p; you must have DVI/HDMI for this.

Third, if you plan to connect any or all of your equipment to a surround sound unit, be sure that it is capable of delivering digital sound to the television, or the television is capable of delivering a digital signal to your receiver that is compatible with your receiver. It is common on many receivers to have an optical audio, but HDMI is not standard yet, and for the few that do have HDMI, they only have one. So be sure that everything is going to work together before you make your purchase, otherwise you will end up frustrated and disapointed.

Finally, If you intend to connect other peripherals to the television, such as a keyboar or mouse, you need a USB connection on the t.v. Many t.v.'s come with this feature as standard, but only come with ONE. So be sure to look and find out what is available on the unit you are interested in purchasing.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/7/2011 11:51:10 PM

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Now as far as the refresh, there is no reason for 600, did you mean 60 ? The fact is 60 will give you a flicker free display usually, unless it is HUGE ! For 3D double that. there is another number that is the limiting factor in an LCD display which is related. It's quoted as refresh or speed of some sort and the units are milliseconds. Now 16.67 mS gives you good motion at 60 Hz, although very fast moving objects may blur a bit. But then they also do in your eye in the first place.

To do 3D you should go to at least 120Hz which will require about an 8.34 rating. AHA, I remember now, most of them call it response time. About 8 mS will do ya for 3D.

Something I recently learned is that DVDs (and presumably HD-DVD's / Blu-Rays as well, but I'm not confident) can sometimes exhibit a subtle skipping effect on a 60Hz TV when they're recorded in a movies original format (because movies are recorded at 24 frames per second, which does not divide evenly into 60). 120 Hz TVs will generally play them evenly. Different people seem to be affected differently -- I have a buddy who can't stand it, but it doesn't bother me much at all.

So that's another useful difference between the two.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 12:07:14 AM

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"have you heard of google?"

Pray to the Google God. Nobody knew anything before Google.

In fact the human race did not survive because of extreme stupidity and the lack of Google, therefore we are all figments of your imagination.

You wanna get fucking snarky again or would you rather just get pantsed on Main Street ?

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 12:10:56 AM

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 12:11:42 AM

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"Nope, I meant 600,"

There is no reason in hell to have a refresh that high. Movies have a refresh rate of 24.

I'm going through the thread right now to take care of this BS, more later. But 600 is ridiculous, it's like buying a 90,000 watt stereo for your bedroom. Sixty is fine, seventy or eighty is better, go one twenty if you want 3D. that is unless you just want to throw money out the window. (gimme your address so I can get some, money out windows is probably about the only job out there these days)

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 12:46:54 AM

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Endi has some good info, but what does it really all mean ? It's a damn TV, that's all it is. You spend a grand and the thing breaks in a year and it can't be fixed. I got a 1986 Sony that I almost threw out, but now I am going to fix it (mybe). It is standard def, RPTV CRT based. Once it's cleaned (the optics) and I throw in a fresh blue tube the picture wil be good as it has to be. Bright and sharp at 480i.

With a 36" diagonal screen, viewing from ten feet away you cannot tell the difference. If you think somehow HDTV will let you get up to the screen and look inside Dorothy's window before the tornado hits and takes her to the land of Oz you are mistaken, in fact even 3D TV can't do that yet.

And that is the thing, there are true 3D displays out there and they work on light reflection principles, and when you move your perspective does actually change. Bestbuy does not have these, they are only in the commercial or whatever market right now. It's multiple layer LCD and there are no glasses or anything. In Bestbuy, add up EVERYTHING they have in their showroom and that would add up to about the cost of one of these.

But the quasi 3D is nice if you're really into it. I was once hooked on this shit and had a five foot Advent (a LONG time ago) and a surround system that brought the cops and made you think you were there. But I outgrew it.

I got this 36" Sony now and I don't even care to get it out of the basement. I got about all I need to make it have a really great picture, but I just don't have the impetus to do it. But I don't want to throw it out.

Let me put it this way, the OP is on SS. That means they are not rich. I would say if I make fifty grand a year my budget for a TV is about $200. Of course they stick it to you so let's say $400. That is forty bucks a month because these days they last a year and that is it. Get that through your head.

NO, every one of them does not break down on it's 366th day of service, of course not, but figure that when it does break there is only about a 30% chance of it being repairable and the repair is likely to cost over $300. This is at best, because of the cost of parts.

"Call your congressman" I guess, because it should be illegal. If you tried to build a TV out of parts from tha manufacturer, if they were available, it would cost about fifty times as much just for the parts. Of course it costs to stock these parts but this is ridiculous and it is abusing the market. But people let it go on.

You buy what you want but if you like your country (the US I guess) you should not buy a new TV at all. That money does not go where you want it to go. But if you are made of money I have the set for you. A Barco IQ Pro G350. Has the network and while it doesn't have wifi built in it does have a PC slot. It also has Windows XP on it and is a server. It has some inputs even I have never seen. and a 40GB harddrive, so I guess it has built in HD TIVO as well.

It cost over ten grand in 2006. You want to blow money you can have it for a grand. I'll even pay shipping. Get your own screen though. Unfortunately I do not know the refresh rating so it might not do 3D. But it is a commercial unit so it might last a bit longer.

I wouldn't have it but their slush fund got too big so they replaced these with Epson Powerlite 6110s. If you look them up on the web you might see why. But these Barcos are still far and away beyond anything you can get at Bestbuy.

The only problem is the lamps are about $500. Luckily each unit has two.

So in the end, like I think I said, buy the cheapest goddamn thing you can and just expect to pay that money again in a year.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 12:54:13 AM

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Refresh rates and frame rates are two different things. Film has frames.

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