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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 1:33:20 AM   
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Shorter times in milliseconds will support higher refresh rates. That means frame rates.

I am not wasting any more time on the subject with you. The OP can choose her champion and that will be that. I am not wasting my time with you until one of us learns the others' language.

I work near thirty hours a month and I simply do not have the time to argue every fucking thing. as far as I am concerned nobody should buy a TV or even have one at all. Like a boat is a hole in the water for money, a TV is something like that for the brain.

But then these movies I am downloading, well I doo need to drain some so that's OK. Don't want me head to get too big ere y'know.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 4:08:49 AM   
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I watch a lot of films. Am a sports fiend and I also use a Playstation.
60Hz can show significant lag on games especially and sport, which is a pain of you've gone to a lot of trouble getting your home entertainment just right and spent right up to your last penny.
I ended up getting an enhanced LED TV at 50Hz that was a best buy at avforums.
It does everything well.
It is possible to spend a lot of money on a TV that has high stats, but performs poorly. The nerds at avforums can talk the arse off a camel and will be able to answer any question you come up with.
They will undoubtedly begin by asking what you want to do with your TV.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 5:42:15 AM   
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"Nope, I meant 600,"

There is no reason in hell to have a refresh that high. Movies have a refresh rate of 24.

I'm going through the thread right now to take care of this BS, more later. But 600 is ridiculous, it's like buying a 90,000 watt stereo for your bedroom. Sixty is fine, seventy or eighty is better, go one twenty if you want 3D. that is unless you just want to throw money out the window. (gimme your address so I can get some, money out windows is probably about the only job out there these days)

The 600 refresh rate does seem extravagant. That was my reaction when I first heard about them as no one spoke of more than 100/120 Hz before that, and those processes are supposed to introduce noise into the picture if poorly implimented. Apparently though it is not so much to do with the overall scan rate but the rate of the sub fields with 10 or 12 x (depending on the rate) interpolation between frames to maintain the high resolution during motion. Panasonic 600 Hz TVs do seem to be a good bit smoother than their slightly older non-600 Hz range when I saw an A-B comparison a while back. Having said that, the superior Pioneer brand plasmas used similar technology but wasn't advertised as much.


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This ain't worth it but I will lay it on you.

Shorter times in milliseconds will support higher refresh rates. That means frame rates.

I am not wasting any more time on the subject with you. The OP can choose her champion and that will be that. I am not wasting my time with you until one of us learns the others' language.

Termy, frame rates refer to the visual content on film or video. The refresh rates are how these are reproduced on screens. Generally of course one would expect the refresh rate to deal with the content provided sufficiently, e.g. a 60 Hz interlaced TV dealing with 30 FPS or in Europe a 50 Hz interlaced dealing with 25 FPS. Similar but they be different things.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 6:52:12 AM   
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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 9:21:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you every one. ProlificNeeds. Maybe eventually we'd need multiple viewing angles, but right now and for forseeable years, we only need to look at it strait on.

Teermy, really nice tv's don't need to cost an arm and a leg. They can but if your smart about it you can do very well for yourself and cheaply. I saw a really nice tv at Walmart for 560. The 600 hz was 499. But I'm not rushing in. We have time.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 9:25:52 AM   
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They will undoubtedly begin by asking what you want to do with your TV.


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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 2:47:59 PM   
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LED bleck, we went with plasma, for our darker TV room that has a wide spread of sitting positions viewing at angles sometimes, it's a way better choice for home theatre.


There is no difference on ours from any angle. Then again it wasn't an inexpensive one either.

I do like the picture on plasma televisions as well but I wanted something cooler and more energy efficient. I was also concerned with getting a television that has a good picture with no glare in all light. Our house has walls of windows and lots of light. Many televisions would not give as good a picture in our sunlit room.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 5:25:23 PM   
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There is no difference on ours from any angle. Then again it wasn't an inexpensive one either.

I do like the picture on plasma televisions as well but I wanted something cooler and more energy efficient. I was also concerned with getting a television that has a good picture with no glare in all light. Our house has walls of windows and lots of light. Many televisions would not give as good a picture in our sunlit room.


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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 7:25:12 PM   
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Daddy is worried with a plasma, that if you leave the tv on pause to long, and sometimes we leave the tv on pause for like 25 minutes, or more depending on what's going on, that it'll burn the image into the screen.
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There is no difference on ours from any angle. Then again it wasn't an inexpensive one either.

I do like the picture on plasma televisions as well but I wanted something cooler and more energy efficient. I was also concerned with getting a television that has a good picture with no glare in all light. Our house has walls of windows and lots of light. Many televisions would not give as good a picture in our sunlit room.



Newer plasma's don't burn any longer, they have a built in feature that prevents it, no matter how long you pause the show/game


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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 7:44:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can burn it if you keep doing it. What you think it shuts down if the imqge doesn't change in like a minute ?

Regardless of solutions in software, a DLP is impossible to burn and an LCD is close. Burning an LCD requir that ther is a slight fault, an innacuracy in the drive circuirty. Rare yes. bui tit is not immune. Actually any type of diosplay can be dmaged by an error in the drive.

So pay the rent on your new TV. It's a year minimum. Twop grand, now how much was the car payment again ? Two frand is almost $200 a month. If you are lucky you might get two years, if you ae God's rigth hand Man you might get three years.

When your Grandfather bought a TV at the age of 20, if it broke down by the time he was fifty he would bitch up a storm. This is not bullshit. Everything is junk. Planned obselescence masks the fact that al these products are junk.

Give them your money, but not mine.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 7:53:13 PM   
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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 8:15:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Termy, you obviously have not listened when I said the tv I saw is 600 dollars, not 2 grand, not a whole car payment, not an arm and a leg. Btw he own his car free and clear, so I don't know how much a car payment is.

Edited to change we to he.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 8:25:58 PM   
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Daddy is worried with a plasma, that if you leave the tv on pause to long, and sometimes we leave the tv on pause for like 25 minutes, or more depending on what's going on, that it'll burn the image into the screen.
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There is no difference on ours from any angle. Then again it wasn't an inexpensive one either.

I do like the picture on plasma televisions as well but I wanted something cooler and more energy efficient. I was also concerned with getting a television that has a good picture with no glare in all light. Our house has walls of windows and lots of light. Many televisions would not give as good a picture in our sunlit room.



ToppingfrmBottom : Definitely, on ours if I'm using console I just end up hitting the TV power switch if I'm walking away for more than a quick pee break, no point in leaving that monsterous 52" on if no one is staring at it. The console feeds into the home theatre system which feeds into the TV though, so the home theatre box and the console stay on, but the TV goes off on long pauses.


LaTigresse: Definitely, we have to turn the lights off (which is what we like anyway) but our plasma is a glare beast! But the picture quality is amazing since our TV room is very dark with only one small window anyway.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 8:29:39 PM   
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Personally I wouldn't bother with a new t.v. at all. Once my t.v. dies, I have no plans to replace it.

To each, his or her own. :)



I felt this way too until I came across the wonder of HDMI cables... and realized all those movies and shows I get online, could be seen on the beauty of a big freaking screen while I lay prone in a soft chair. I've even considered playing my video games from the PC on there just for wow-effect.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 8:48:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		"you obviously have not listened when I said the tv I saw is 600 dollars,"

I guess I did miss that part. But then I would not spend $600 pn a TV anyway, it's just not useful enough.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 8:56:43 PM   
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Personally I wouldn't bother with a new t.v. at all. Once my t.v. dies, I have no plans to replace it.

To each, his or her own. :)



I felt this way too until I came across the wonder of HDMI cables... and realized all those movies and shows I get online, could be seen on the beauty of a big freaking screen while I lay prone in a soft chair. I've even considered playing my video games from the PC on there just for wow-effect.


*shrugs* I'm not a big movie fan. I don't play video games. I watch very few t.v. shows, including one soap opera that I can watch online. Most of the time I end up just listening, rather than watching, which is kind of ironic when you think about it. ;)

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/8/2011 8:58:33 PM   
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Actually turning it on and off is harder on the circuitry, even than a slight overheating. High end audio amps sometimes do not have a power switch, the manufacturer recommends leaving them on 24/7. The produce no heat practically and pull about what an electric clock might when you push no audio through them.

The turnon and turnoff transients are more detrimental than months of use. Easily. This is even more true, very much so, about ANY TV, no matter what type.

There are a few other types of equipmewnt that are better left running continuously.

It's just a fact of electronics, and the fact is if they really knew how to design it wouldn't all have to be this way, except for certain types of TVs. Plasmas would have no problem if they design them right, but any LCD or DLP in the world will suffer from turnon and turnoff.

If you want detail about exactly why; ask. It has to do with power supply filtering.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/9/2011 6:04:30 AM   
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Actually turning it on and off is harder on the circuitry, even than a slight overheating. High end audio amps sometimes do not have a power switch, the manufacturer recommends leaving them on 24/7. The produce no heat practically and pull about what an electric clock might when you push no audio through them.

The turnon and turnoff transients are more detrimental than months of use. Easily. This is even more true, very much so, about ANY TV, no matter what type.

There are a few other types of equipmewnt that are better left running continuously.

That wouldn't be true at least for CRT TVs where the tube has a very finite life-span. True, amps sound better after having been switched on for 30+ mins but keeping them on 24/7 as some makers of amps recommend is dubious in my opinion. It will keep the transformers vibrating toward the end of their lifecycle resulting in a costly premature death.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/9/2011 6:53:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

Personally I wouldn't bother with a new t.v. at all. Once my t.v. dies, I have no plans to replace it.

To each, his or her own. :)



I felt this way too until I came across the wonder of HDMI cables... and realized all those movies and shows I get online, could be seen on the beauty of a big freaking screen while I lay prone in a soft chair. I've even considered playing my video games from the PC on there just for wow-effect.


We replaced a 20 year old television with this awesome thing now sitting in front of me.

We watch a lot of educational, nature, wildlife, travel channel, national geographic.....stuff. When we hooked this up and put in the Planet Earth DVD's I almost wet myself with joy. It is totally fucking awesome. When we added the surround sound.......omg amazing.

And some movies like Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Alice in Wonderland to name just two.......a visual orgasm.

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RE: What do these stats on a tv mean? - 10/9/2011 12:59:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		We use our tv everyday, for many things, so I believe in spending the money to get one that makes us happy. One of the reasons I want a 42 inch is they're easier to see with my poor eyesite. I have proven this when I can easily see the screen on my parents 32 inch and I can not see the words on the screen on my 25 inch. My parents have a flat screen and theirs is about 2- maybe 3 years old, and it's not broken once, we had another tv, not a flat screen no, but it was 20 years old and still worked perfectly the only thing was the sound wasn't as great as a new tvs sound could be. I'd probably still have it too, if I hadn't given it to a bf and his mom said he didn't need it took it an put it in the yard on a table and let it get rained on. The one they had before this flat screen and after the other tv lasted about 11 years. So maybe it's just flat screens and not all tvs you're talking about breaking in a year, but I have seen for myself that tv's can last a very long time.
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"you obviously have not listened when I said the tv I saw is 600 dollars,"

I guess I did miss that part. But then I would not spend $600 pn a TV anyway, it's just not useful enough.

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