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uh, you made a statement that i questioned. what all the humpty dumpty shit has to do with anything, well fucked if i know. but then again i don't have a clue what you are on about half the time, like that bullshit society of the spectacle thing you keep insisting i read. i mean what the fuck do i want with some marxist tract?
It's more postmodernist than Marxist, in fact (though like most '60s French intellectuals with a foothold in academia, baudrillard leans a lot to the left).
My own suspicion would be that SpanishHat likes that one because it allows him to claim that anything he dislikes isn't as real as he is, and so can be ignored, even if it doesn't go away...
Yeah, I'll agree with your first statement. DeBord is quite critical of some of Marx's notions of historical inevitability, though. (This is going to take me a while, several readings, and outside research to actually "Grok" DeBord's thesis).
I'll quote the following, though:
"The anarchists, who distinguish themselves explicitly from the rest of the workers’ movement by their ideological conviction, reproduce this separation of competences among themselves; they provide a terrain favorable to informal domination over all anarchist organizations by propagandists and defenders of their ideology, specialists who are in general more mediocre the more their intellectual activity consists of the repetition of certain definitive truths. Ideological respect for unanimity of decision has on the whole been favorable to the uncontrolled authority, within the organization itself, of specialists in freedom; and revolutionary anarchism expects the same type of unanimity from the liberated population, obtained by the same means. Furthermore, the refusal to take into account the opposition between the conditions of a minority grouped in the present struggle and of a society of free individuals, has nourished a permanent separation among anarchists at the moment of common decision, as is shown by an infinity of anarchist insurrections in Spain, confined and destroyed on a local level.
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The illusion entertained more or less explicitly by genuine anarchism is the permanent imminence of an instantaneously accomplished revolution which will prove the truth of the ideology and of the mode of practical organization derived from the ideology. In 1936, anarchism in fact led a social revolution, the most advanced model of proletarian power in all time. In this context it should be noted that the signal for a general insurrection had been imposed by a pronunciamiento of the army. Furthermore, to the extent that this revolution was not completed during the first days (because of the existence of Franco’s power in half the country, strongly supported from abroad while the rest of the international proletarian movement was already defeated, and because of remains of bourgeois forces or other statist workers’ parties within the camp of the Republic) the organized anarchist movement showed itself unable to extend the demi-victories of the revolution, or even to defend them. Its known leaders became ministers and hostages of the bourgeois State which destroyed the revolution only to lose the civil war."
The little soi-disant "anarchist"s philosophical underpinnings seem to be "Fuck Society. Fuck God. Fuck you. I'm gonna fucking do what I want."
When someone who actually admired her stated goals of overthrowing the yoke of Oppression, whether it be political, religious, or simply the accumulated traditions and customs of centuries of Anglocentric North American culture, and attempted to show her that others have been down that path, her gracious response was
"... i don't have a clue what you are on about half the time, like that bullshit society of the spectacle thing you keep insisting i read. i mean what the fuck do i want with some marxist tract?"
In the immortal words of Lazarus Long: "Never try and teach a pig to sing: it's a waste of time, and it annoys the pig." --Robert A. Heinlein
I see no point in continuing to waste my time.
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