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American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OWS... - 10/8/2011 8:15:56 PM   
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http://www.politickerny.com/2011/10/07/peter-king-disapproves-of-occupy-wall-street/



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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/8/2011 8:23:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your subject title is more fabrication than truth. But all that aside, I'd never heard of him prior to your post. Why would I? I'm not in NY and I'm not an American. He does sound like a turd though. :D

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/8/2011 8:34:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		We have to be careful not to allow this to get any legitimacy,” he said, adding “I’m taking this seriously in that I’m old enough to remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy. We can’t allow that to happen.”

God forbid anyone should gain rights n stuff from protesting.... He really is a horrendous arrogant asswipe.



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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/8/2011 8:36:29 PM   
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I'd never heard of him prior to your post.
if this is so, then isn't this
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Your subject title is more fabrication than truth.
a rather bold fucking bit of supposition on your part?

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/8/2011 9:02:40 PM   
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We have to be careful not to allow this to get any legitimacy,” he said, adding “I’m taking this seriously in that I’m old enough to remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy. We can’t allow that to happen.”

God forbid anyone should gain rights n stuff from protesting.... He really is a horrendous arrogant asswipe.





The 1960's? Just a bunch of hippie free loving kids who have no business protesting anything... dontcha know.

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/8/2011 9:24:23 PM   
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I'd never heard of him prior to your post.
if this is so, then isn't this
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Your subject title is more fabrication than truth.
a rather bold bit of supposition on your part?


No, because I read about Peter King after reading the OP. He supported the IRA but he wasn't a terrorist.

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/8/2011 9:45:25 PM   
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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/8/2011 10:00:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes these people want things like jobs that pay a living wage, relief from foreclouses (Fannie Mae has been doing illegally for several years now) , accountablilty of Wall Street, etc. These people are terrorist and should be delt with the same as all the other terrorest, use the attack drones on them. (I am joking of course, right now I say the protestors are standing up for middle America, keep going!!)

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 12:36:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Known terrorist fundraiser and therefore provider of material support for the 1983 Car-bombing terrorist murder of American Citizen, Kenneth Salvesan.

http://www.politickerny.com/2011/10/07/peter-king-disapproves-of-occupy-wall-street/




C'mon Fargle, you work for The National Enquirer or the New York Times right?  The thinking man's newspapers! "Enquiring minds want to know!
All this sensationalism!



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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 5:04:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


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I'd never heard of him prior to your post.
if this is so, then isn't this
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Your subject title is more fabrication than truth.
a rather bold bit of supposition on your part?


No, because I read about Peter King after reading the OP. He supported the IRA but he wasn't a terrorist.


Under American Law, if you raise money for terrorists, you are one.

It's called "Providing Material Support to Terrorists" Title 18 USC 2339A

Whoever provides material support or resources or conceals or disguises the nature, location, source, or ownership of material support or resources, knowing or intending that they are to be used in preparation for, or in carrying out, a violation of section 32, 37, 81, 175, 229, 351, 831, 842 (m) or (n), 844 (f) or (i), 930 (c), 956, 1091, 1114, 1116, 1203, 1361, 1362, 1363, 1366, 1751, 1992, 2155, 2156, 2280, 2281, 2332, 2332a, 2332b, 2332f, 2340A, or 2442 of this title, section 236 of the Atomic Energy Act of 1954 (42 U.S.C. 2284), section 46502 or 60123 (b) of title 49, or any offense listed in section 2332b (g)(5)(B) (except for sections 2339A and 2339B) or in preparation for, or in carrying out, the concealment of an escape from the commission of any such violation, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 15 years, or both, and, if the death of any person results, shall be imprisoned for any term of years or for life. A violation of this section may be prosecuted in any Federal judicial district in which the underlying offense was committed, or in any other Federal judicial district as provided by law.
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(1) the term “material support or resources” means any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who may be or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials;

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 6:16:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather
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I'd never heard of him prior to your post.
if this is so, then isn't this
quote:

Your subject title is more fabrication than truth.
a rather bold bit of supposition on your part?

No, because I read about Peter King after reading the OP. He supported the IRA but he wasn't a terrorist.

Indeed and the people who blast him for political reasons forget people like Bill Clinton say he had a pivotal role in bringing about the peace process in the 1990's, and has since sharply criticised the IRA when at times they were not staying the course of the process. Thus, whilst what King did was illegal he more than redeemed himself. BTW if poviding financial and other forms of aid also constitutes terrorism, which of itself isn't an unreasonable supposition, then I imagine a lot of ordinary students over the years should have been locked up too.

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 6:32:09 AM   
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Thus, whilst what King did was illegal he more than redeemed himself.


That's not how it works in a "Nation of Laws". You do the crime, you do the time. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 6:34:54 AM   
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Thus, whilst what King did was illegal he more than redeemed himself.

That's not how it works in a "Nation of Laws". You do the crime, you do the time. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

Indeed, and if they had robust evidential proof they should have prosecuted but by contrast you are using his activities from 30 years ago to damn the man's judgement today over the Wall Street protests when in fact he has done good since.

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 6:36:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


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I'd never heard of him prior to your post.
if this is so, then isn't this
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Your subject title is more fabrication than truth.
a rather bold bit of supposition on your part?


No, because I read about Peter King after reading the OP. He supported the IRA but he wasn't a terrorist.

He supported terrorists so he is a terrorist.

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 6:37:53 AM   
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Thus, whilst what King did was illegal he more than redeemed himself.

That's not how it works in a "Nation of Laws". You do the crime, you do the time. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

Indeed, and if they had robust evidential proof they should have prosecuted but by contrast you are using his activities from 30 years ago to damn the man's judgement today over the Wall Street protests when in fact he has done good since.


No statute of limitations on murder, is there?

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 6:42:02 AM   
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Thus, whilst what King did was illegal he more than redeemed himself.

That's not how it works in a "Nation of Laws". You do the crime, you do the time. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

Indeed, and if they had robust evidential proof they should have prosecuted but by contrast you are using his activities from 30 years ago to damn the man's judgement today over the Wall Street protests when in fact he has done good since.

No statute of limitations on murder, is there?

Thats not the point I was making as you were criticising the man's judgement over Wall Street but there is an anmesty on those directly involved in paramilitary activities on both sides of the conflict. I don't know if it would extend to what King supposedly did, which was to reputedly fundraise for NORAID but that in itself would have to be proved, and the organisation was allowed to function in the US at the time whilst not having the IRA indentified clearly as its foreign principle. I never heard any mention of a cover-up involving further collusion.

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 6:51:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm criticizing the man's EXISTENCE, not just his judgement. He's the kind of person for whom proscription was invented by the Romans in the first place...


Historically, the Romans used this notice when they removed legal protection of the State from an ex-Citizen. Given the way that some nitwits interpret the Bill of Rights, they should be able to get behind the idea of stripping suspected terrorists of their citizenship and casting them out among the wolves and vermin: "So be it then! Let no one harbour any one of those whose names are hereto appended, or conceal them, or send them away, or be corrupted by their money. Whoever shall be detected in saving, or aiding, or conniving with them we will put on the list of the proscribed without allowing any excuse or pardon. Let those who kill the proscribed bring us their heads and receive the following rewards: to a free man 25,000 Attic drachmas per head; to a slave his freedom and 10,000 Attic drachmas and his master's right of citizenship. Informers shall receive the same rewards. In order that they may remain unknown the names of those who receive the rewards shall not be inscribed in our registers."

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 7:04:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		... and you are obviously the kind of person who would use "Roman" proscription, which was the killing without trial of anyone listed.

This is my point, and you can take it or leave it (most probably the latter I know): In the opening post you made it clear you disliked his criticism of the Wall Street protests by using the view that he fundraised for terrorism almost 30 years ago. That's fair enough but he did a great deal to help bring about peace subsequently. That is worthy of mention as well so IMHO his probable involvement with NORAID a long time ago does not invalidate his views on the Wall Street Protests.

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 7:07:50 AM   
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... and you are obviously the kind of person who would use "Roman" proscription, which was the killing without trial of anyone listed.

This is my point, and you can take it or leave it (most probably the latter I know): In the opening post you made it clear you disliked his criticism of the Wall Street protests by using the view that he fundraised for terrorism almost 30 years ago. That's fair enough but he did a great deal to help bring about peace subsequently. That is worthy of mention as well so IMHO his probable involvement with NORAID a long time ago does not invalidate his views on the Wall Street Protests.


They had their trial when the Emperor put them on the list. Totally legal.

Does all the 'help' he gave to 'bring about peace', bring the dead people he's responsible for murdering back to life?

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RE: American-murdering IRA Terrorist Disapproves of #OW... - 10/9/2011 7:16:56 AM   
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... and you are obviously the kind of person who would use "Roman" proscription, which was the killing without trial of anyone listed.

This is my point, and you can take it or leave it (most probably the latter I know): In the opening post you made it clear you disliked his criticism of the Wall Street protests by using the view that he fundraised for terrorism almost 30 years ago. That's fair enough but he did a great deal to help bring about peace subsequently. That is worthy of mention as well so IMHO his probable involvement with NORAID a long time ago does not invalidate his views on the Wall Street Protests.

They had their trial when the Emperor put them on the list. Totally legal.

Does all the 'help' he gave to 'bring about peace', bring the dead people he's responsible for murdering back to life?

He didn't murder anyone but indeed is morally responsible for the death of some no doubt. However if you knew anything about the conflict in Northern Ireland, you would know the remarkable transformation that has taken place since the peace process. His involvement in the process doesn't mean he should get a silver medal but it does mean he is capable of exercising a good deal of moral judgement today when people like himself could have perpetuated the status quo instead.

BTW that is incorrect about proscription. It was essentially a death sentence. If there were a trial it would just be business as usual. Sulla was perhaps the first to use large scale proscriptions, and noted historically as an exercise of mass terror.

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