xssve
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Never trust a man to be good if he doesn't have the strength of character to be bad"
Being "A Man" is inherently rife with moral ambiguity, it's the human condition really, and I think for both sexes, noesis - mindless rutting, dominance and submission, etc., is a much needed release, anoesis, provided it's done consensually and ethically, lol.
Only a true psychopath is ever entirely free form moral ambiguity, and the need to resolve it, even when it's unresolvable, it's the part of our mammalian brain that makes social co-operation possible.
But....do you find a pain associated with it? Is there anything there, within you, that creates a form of need to rid yourself of what you might define as "the pain of being a man", in whatever way you might define that to be? On the page where the quote is preceded by the conversation Dr. Johnson had with the woman he uttered those words to, I sense he's telling her that men do what they do (behave as beasts) to get rid of those difficulties associated with their gender and he's telling her this because he sees that she cannot possibly know what it is like to be a man and have to deal with those negative aspects of what it means to be a man.
From the posts I've seen here, it would appear that men don't have that sort of pain. Certainly there are societal expectations that make it difficult for men to be human beings...but all in all, it seems that generally speaking, it may not be so difficult to bear that in creates in them this need to be beasts.
As someone else noted, it's not that easy to distinguish between the pain of being a man, and the pain of being myself, it's part of who I am, and I'm not sure if I can readily divide the universal and objective from the personal and subjective - part of the pain of being man for me is simply the expectations, they can be a real pain, act this way, think like this, I'm always being told how I should act and feel, like I'm playing a role, and not just being myself, and it's all bullshit - I remember my brother telling me not to cross my legs like a girl, "guys cross their legs like this" (the ankle on the knee) - fuck that, it's bad for your knees, the older guys when I was a kid crossed their legs without the ankle on the knee thing, and shit they went and fought in wars in foreign countries, got shot at, killed people, crap like that that nothing to do with being a man, being a man is about doing what needs to be done, even if it's unpleasant and difficult, but for some people, it seems to be largely about looking manly while avoiding all work and responsibility - so there's Two kinds of pain for ya, doing the right thing and getting nothing but dumped on and disrespected for it, and gaffing shit off to the adulation of the masses, but knowing deep down you're really just letting shit slide, and it's going to come back and haunt you.
There's really just too much to go into right now, but suffice it to say men are objectified in ways that go way beyond being a sex object, we're responsible for every damn thing, not only the things we're actually responsible for, but simply by virtue or being part of the "patriarchy", responsible for everything every other hoser has done.
I haven't been to any meetings on this, if there's a patriarchy convention somewhere, I wasn't invited, and ultimately being a man is just putting up with all of this shit without whining about it, and hoping you're lucky enough to find a chick that appreciates it instead of treating you like a fucking ATM.
"Most men lead lives of quiet desperation" - one step ahead of the wolf.
And a chick like that? I fuck the unholy shit out of her, no apologies, cause no way of knowing if that's going to last or it will ever happen again, she shows her throat you go for the kill.
Now that freaks some guys out too, lotsa women seem have difficulty with the pain of being an organic being, with all the sticky substances, mucous membranes, and weird insertions, I mean they're princesses, so what's with this big hairy fucking hole between their legs?
But it is an animal thing, fuck all that "have your people talk to my people, pencil you in for Thursday" shit, lol.
Anyway, I happen to think that part of the pain of being human, is simply reconciling yourself with your organic nature - I mean, like I said, Christianity is practically based on denial of this, the whole body/spirit duality, all these neurosis about the corruption of the flesh - original sin, innate depravity, etc. vs. some abstract concept of sterile purity - it can really fuck with your self image, lol.
But, women have to deal with that shit, I have to deal with them, and that is often a pain.
I don't want to get too far off track, but the Hebrew word for soul, nepesh, means "throat", or "thirst" - it's an itch you can't scratch, a thirst you can't quench, and that can make you crazy, if that make any sense.
I could fuck that all up with a discussion of the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system, but I'll leave that for another day, let's just say "it is", and it's never going to change, and we all have to deal with it whether we want to or not, deny it all you want to, it's still there all the same - that's the pain of organic chemistry.
< Message edited by xssve -- 10/11/2011 6:55:14 AM >
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RE: He who makes a beast of himself... - 
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