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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 2:26:14 PM   
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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 3:44:12 PM   
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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 4:19:23 PM   
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thank you for being a voice of sanity :)



Doesnt he use his own voice ?

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 5:23:07 PM   
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hey hon.. he LIVES the WOE IS ME life.. perpetuated by his parents, apparently..

thank you for being a voice of sanity :)

Yep "woe is me" pretty much covers it! Hopefully his parents are just humouring him as their generation grew up in somewhat more challenging times. Thanks for the compliment!

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 5:25:23 PM   
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thank you for being a voice of sanity :)



Doesnt he use his own voice ?


Beat's me why anyone would want to use (in)sanity's voice

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 5:28:02 PM   
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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 5:29:39 PM   
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thank you for being a voice of sanity :)

Doesnt he use his own voice ?

Beat's me why anyone would want to use (in)sanity's voice

WTF dudes... like I haven't stolen his vocal cords or anything...

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 5:39:29 PM   
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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 5:41:37 PM   
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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/12/2011 6:07:49 PM   
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Ha! Prove it! For all we know you're forcing him to type

Well admittedly I do have that power over people but ah sure I'd never do it!

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/13/2011 8:50:25 PM   
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Might be surprising but it may be that the Irish aren't Celtic after all. Its not said very openly by archaeologists but no evidence was found for the assumed Celtic invasion of Ireland. In fact one typically finds more Celtic artefacts in one of the many Celtic grave yards in Europe than has been found in the entire country. The association with the Celts may be cultural instead. There were a lot of trading routes into mainland Europe during the Iron Age so their culture and religion may have spread a distance across the water...
Well, pretty much all Celts on that island, other than the Picts about whom we know less than the Celts, at least until Caesar showed up, the Normans invaded, the Saxons invaded, etc., etc.

No telling, there were a lot of different tribes of Celts, and I'm not sure it was really a nationality, more of a culture, and quite likely, the result of even earlier unrecorded invasions, emigrations, etc., it was on both sides of the channel, so it wasn't an isolated culture.

It's kind of surprising, we tend to think of bronze age and earlier cultures as provincial, but they really got around, there was a Jewish community in Ireland at the time of Jesus.

The whole thing of people staying in one place all the time is actually a more modern phenomena, an economic thing that happened over the last 500 or so years of feudal statism, earlier peoples were a lot more nomadic - the Swiss are like that, they're like a mix of a dozen different nationalities, probably even a few descendents of Hannibal's army.

I mean we're an Indo-European culture, The Black Irish are actually the descendents of the survivors of he Spanish Armada, The Spanish are the descendents of the Visigoths, which is where they ended up after sacking Rome, and they trace their migrations back to Iran originally - so are they Irish or Iranian?

You see the problem with ethnography there, there is no such thing as a "pure" race, most of out differences are cultural, not genetic.

The whole idea of this division between European culture and the rest of the world is a patently political construct, if anything, Europe is the worlds original melting pot, most of our culture is borrowed from cultures from all around he Mediterranean.

I mean, we didn't invent civilization, technically, it was the Iraqis.

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/13/2011 11:56:58 PM   
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Indeed the world of benefits is endlessly fascinating... almost erotically so...


Aw hell A, you could probably find a way to make a phone book erotic. <sighs>



Be careful Anaxagoras...she has a "fire" within. I understand they make a cream for that. :D But just in case you don't want your own personal fire...well...just sayin' ya might not want to get too close! *LOL*

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/14/2011 6:48:34 AM   
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Indeed the world of benefits is endlessly fascinating... almost erotically so...

Aw hell A, you could probably find a way to make a phone book erotic. <sighs>

Be careful Anaxagoras...she has a "fire" within. I understand they make a cream for that. :D But just in case you don't want your own personal fire...well...just sayin' ya might not want to get too close! *LOL*

D that's an "ouch" - a rather scorching remark!! I must have missed Zephyr's post but on a point of order what would be so wrong with finding a phone book erotic... not that I feel that way so inclined... honest guv?

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/14/2011 7:38:53 AM   
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Might be surprising but it may be that the Irish aren't Celtic after all. Its not said very openly by archaeologists but no evidence was found for the assumed Celtic invasion of Ireland. In fact one typically finds more Celtic artefacts in one of the many Celtic grave yards in Europe than has been found in the entire country. The association with the Celts may be cultural instead. There were a lot of trading routes into mainland Europe during the Iron Age so their culture and religion may have spread a distance across the water...
Well, pretty much all Celts on that island, other than the Picts about whom we know less than the Celts, at least until Caesar showed up, the Normans invaded, the Saxons invaded, etc., etc.

No telling, there were a lot of different tribes of Celts, and I'm not sure it was really a nationality, more of a culture, and quite likely, the result of even earlier unrecorded invasions, emigrations, etc., it was on both sides of the channel, so it wasn't an isolated culture.

I don't think so as the Celts are understood as a distinctive people that came into Europe from Asia afrom around 600 BC. It was expected that the Celts reached Ireland by about 400 - 200 BC but there would be a wealth of Celtic material in the ground if they invaded Ireland on such a scale that they overturned the rule of those long established there, followed by a mass migration of Celtic people to the area. There isn't any archaeological evidence for that at all, and in fact the Romans, who of all the peoples who had literacy knew the Celts best, referred to the Irish as a different people. Indeed there were numerous tribes of Celts but they share many characteristics which are shown in the archaeological and genetic record.

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It's kind of surprising, we tend to think of bronze age and earlier cultures as provincial, but they really got around, there was a Jewish community in Ireland at the time of Jesus.

Indeed there are strong ties between Western Ireland and Iberia during the Neolithic Stone Age. I didn't hear of any Jews in to Ireland before the first millennium but there was an Ancient Greek community in Tallaght (near Dublin).

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I mean we're an Indo-European culture, The Black Irish are actually the descendents of the survivors of he Spanish Armada, The Spanish are the descendents of the Visigoths, which is where they ended up after sacking Rome, and they trace their migrations back to Iran originally - so are they Irish or Iranian?

No disagreement there although one must remember there was a large pre-existing population in Spain that the Visigoths assimilated into. Also the Spanish Armada or Black Irish effect is thought to represent a pre-historic migration particularly from Iberia going back to the Stone Age. There are very dramatic similarities between the cultures on both sides there.


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The whole idea of this division between European culture and the rest of the world is a patently political construct, if anything, Europe is the worlds original melting pot, most of our culture is borrowed from cultures from all around he Mediterranean.

I mean, we didn't invent civilization, technically, it was the Iraqis.

I wasn't suggesting the Europeans invented culture. Far from it. Indeed the Sumerians developed the first proper civilisation in Mesopotamia (before Egypt) although they are likely to have significant differences to the modern Iraqi's.

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/14/2011 8:52:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Be that as it may, quite a few modern Irish think of themselves as Celts, and in my book, that makes them Celts - though in fact, Celtic is a distinct culture that had fairly distinct views on marriage etc., that are in many ways more akin to modern culture than Roman Judeo-Christian traditions - I think Celtic culture influences this culture deeply in ways that are at least the equivilent of Judeo Christian culture, whose primary advantage has been that it's a legalistic rather than a Bardic tradition, formal vs. informal.

Ireland is somewhat isolated geographically, which is going to lead to significant differences in culture regardless, but I agree in substance with what you're saying, yes, there were already people in Spain, and in every case it's a case of new waves of migration mixing and clashing with previous waves of migration.

Right now in America, there's a conflict between the Meso-Iberian and English/German waves of immigration and culture, just as further North, there is still friction between the descendents of French and English settlers.

I'm not sure there is a shelf life for a culture - there appears to be no shelf life for the oral traditions that perpetuate cultural behavior, as opposed to the official script. Both tend to evolve, but oral and social tradition is I think, if anything, more resistant to change than it's abstract, literary/legalistic counterpart.

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/14/2011 9:06:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		i.e, when the Irish emigrated to this country, they were initially treated no better than the Native Americans or Blacks, and consequently, there is a fairly long tradtition of intermarriage between these peoples - I know native Spanish speakers with Red hair and freckles, I know a guy that is almost full blooded Native American (legally, he is) who would blend right in on the streets of Dublin.

There are actually a lot of similarities between Celtic and Native American culture, they are both essentially tribal, and neither tradition tends to categorize women as chattel property for the most part, for example, a significant departure from Roman/Judeo-Christian tradition (the rib thing).

Even Athabascan art is similar to Celtic art in many respects, I suspect people have been going back and forth a lot longer than we might imagine.

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/14/2011 9:12:45 AM   
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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/14/2011 12:26:12 PM   
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Be that as it may, quite a few modern Irish think of themselves as Celts, and in my book, that makes them Celts - though in fact, Celtic is a distinct culture that had fairly distinct views on marriage etc., that are in many ways more akin to modern culture than Roman Judeo-Christian traditions - I think Celtic culture influences this culture deeply in ways that are at least the equivilent of Judeo Christian culture, whose primary advantage has been that it's a legalistic rather than a Bardic tradition, formal vs. informal.

I don't think it would be right to say that they are Celtic because they think they are although I think that cultures their own identity. For a few centuries people in the know assumed the Irish were Celtic because there are a few cultural markers such as the names of a few rivers being similar to Celtic river goddesses but they assumed Ireland had seen a mass influx of Celts, which hasn't been supported in the intervening years when much of the country has been dug up for development. I acknowledge the Irish were influenced by Celtic culture which was extremely prevalent in the continent but its thought that the Celtic traditions the Irish borrowed from were not authentically Celtic.

The Irish were relatively unique culturally. During the early Christian era, they made Christianity uniquely their own, and exported it. Thats not to say they were in some way superior or particularly insular as they were clearly influenced by foreign cultures but geographical distance and the lack of any influx before the Norman-British caused difference. Its said the Normans became even more Irish than the Irish themselves, and it seems ancient Gaelic culture essentially survived until the Cromwellian invasions of the mid 1600's.

You might like to read this, which quotes the head of the Archaeology Dept at UCD where I studied and heard the ideas that there was no real Celtic presence in Ireland: http://www.blackphoebe.com/msjen/2006/08/from-the-irish-times.html - the fact that Gaelic is seen as a particularly ancient relative of other Celtic languages is a mystery that may never be solved but it suggests some extremely ancient cultural linkage that may go back as far as the middle stone age. Fanciful perhaps but its difficult to explain otherwise.

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i.e, when the Irish emigrated to this country, they were initially treated no better than the Native Americans or Blacks, and consequently, there is a fairly long tradtition of intermarriage between these peoples - I know native Spanish speakers with Red hair and freckles, I know a guy that is almost full blooded Native American (legally, he is) who would blend right in on the streets of Dublin.

There are actually a lot of similarities between Celtic and Native American culture, they are both essentially tribal, and neither tradition tends to categorize women as chattel property for the most part, for example, a significant departure from Roman/Judeo-Christian tradition (the rib thing).

Even Athabascan art is similar to Celtic art in many respects, I suspect people have been going back and forth a lot longer than we might imagine.

Indeed the Irish were treated badly in the US initially, presumably due to the strong protestant element. Its surprising how often intermarriage with the native people is mentioned. If you're suggesting that there was travel between Ireland/Europe and America, then there is evidence that it was possible. St Brendan is believed to have reached America in the 8th Century and there may have been voyages before that. The old boating technology has been shown to make such a journey possible, and later the Vikings made contact too.

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/14/2011 2:26:41 PM   
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D that's an "ouch" - a rather scorching remark!! I must have missed Zephyr's post but on a point of order what would be so wrong with finding a phone book erotic... not that I feel that way so inclined... honest guv?


Hey misquote misquote! What I wrote is that you posting details about a phone book would no doubt be sexy. Don't ruin my rep dood!

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RE: Sexy Irish Women - 10/14/2011 5:40:02 PM   
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D that's an "ouch" - a rather scorching remark!! I must have missed Zephyr's post but on a point of order what would be so wrong with finding a phone book erotic... not that I feel that way so inclined... honest guv?

Hey misquote misquote! What I wrote is that you posting details about a phone book would no doubt be sexy. Don't ruin my rep dood!

Sorry lol - it was a misunderstanding as I thought you meant it differently, and thank you for such a nice compliment!!

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