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Basically the one we had before the "Great Society" started us down the road to socialism.

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There arent names for every shade of economy from libertarian to communist.

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Marginalist School Classical economists theorized that prices are determined by the costs of production. Marginalist economists emphasized that prices also depend upon the level of demand, which in turn depends upon the amount of consumer satisfaction provided by individual goods and services.

Marginalists provided modern macroeconomics with the basic analytic tools of demand and supply, consumer utility, and a mathematical framework for using those tools.

Marginalists also showed that in a free market economy,

Capitalism is not free market.

the factors of production -- land, labor, and capital -- receive returns equal to their contributions to production. This principle was sometimes used to justify the existing distribution of income: that people earned exactly what they or their property contributed to production

This appears ,on the face of it, to state that those who actually produce something (labor) get back exactly the value of their labor...which is patently false.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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Bullshit!

The police, the fire departments, the highway crews, etc..

Those are "irresponsible" jobs because they are paid for with government funds?

Who do you think is going to end up paying for those same services if they are privatized?

Compare the cost of what you pay in taxes for your county or city EMT service as opposed to what you would be paying for a private ambulance service.

Bullshit yourself if you want to, I prefer my eyes to be open.

Nobody said anything about doing away with them. Yes though, too many of them in an economy like this and touting them as jobs is irresponsible. They provide a wonderful service but they work for us, they don't produce a positive income the same way a corporate or small business job does. They pull money out of everyone's pocket in essentially forced ways.

They provide a needed service but we need as with any government job creation, to pay attention to our budgets concerning them.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

So you "lost" the other line of discussion, now you want to move to the next one. Got it.

Neither is fine. I don't believe in the wars and I don't believe that I should have to chip in to pay for your healthcare under force.

I chip into charities and I imagine if we could get out of this funk of an economy we call Keynesian thinking, we'd probably have a more stable economy so we COULD give more.

I know I would.

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Dont kid yourself. You didnt even make a point worth talking about.

Anyone with half a brain knows that defence spending is big business for American companies. Much of which is funded by contracts with the D.o D by the way contracts are dished out are not and not put to tender. If you think the likes of Halliburton dont gain an advantage from govt contracts, then you need to wise up.

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The point is without that government service we would be paying for it directly out of of pocket instead of through our tax dollars, and without the shared expense it would cost much more if you needed the service.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

If you're not from this country then I especially don't give a shit about your view on that.

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As if I give a fuck.

I have seen you continually take this line with anyone who disagrees with you, sad as it is.

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Smaller government is fiscally responsible and constitutionally sound.

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If you're not from this country then I especially don't give a shit about your view on that.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Police/fire/military are jobs. You wouldnt argue that they werent if they were paid for directly by the individuals in their "territories" instead of through taxes. The source of their funding (taxes vs "subscription") is irrelevant in and of itself. The issue is whether that job has a higher/lower/equal net value to those paying for it. In the case of these particular public sector jobs the freerider problem theoretically results in a higher net value when funded via taxes. In practice that may not be true in some areas, thanks to artificially high compensation structures negotiated by unions. They may outweigh the benefits of collecting from the freeriders in those areas.

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I agree. Dont fall for lucy or liberal tactics of using Facts and Evidence. We all know those were created by liberals to manipulate the discourse in their favor. We are entitled to our own facts not to our own opinions. If I want to believe fact Charity helped pay for Ron Paul's former Campaign Manager bill but he died any ways its my right. I dont need facts to back it up like I dont need facts to back up that the sun revolves around the earth.

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You should move to Topeka, Kansas they allow domestic abuse and domestic violence there. It was a win for conservative who dont want government intruding on their private lives. I hear they are planning to ban abortions & enforce prayer in schools next.

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ORIGINAL: Masta808

You should move to Topeka, Kansas they allow domestic abuse and domestic violence there. It was a win for conservative who dont want government intruding on their private lives. I hear they are planning to ban abortions & enforce prayer in schools next.

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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I agree. Dont fall for lucy or liberal tactics of using Facts and Evidence. We all know those were created by liberals to manipulate the discourse in their favor. We are entitled to our own facts not to our own opinions. If I want to believe fact Charity helped pay for Ron Paul's former Campaign Manager bill but he died any ways its my right. I dont need facts to back it up like I dont need facts to back up that the sun revolves around the earth.

Get another dancing song.

I will agree though that I am learning that liberals will use whatever they can, which isn't limited to hocking blame on unfairly to discredit someone they fear. Someone they think will stop the flow of money to their pockets.

Did you know he plans to work in coalitions with liberals and is doing so now? What you libs tend to do is take a tiny bit of truth and spin it to make it looks worse than it is.

The man had the right to buy insurance. It's not Dr.Paul's responsibility to take care of every one that gets sicks just because he proposes that everyone take responsibility for themselves.

I mean never would liberals do any of that, right? What you idiots don't realize is that you're all getting hosed by MSM and your political parties into thinking that the economy is going to get better by practicing the same shit that continues not to work or, that you have a right to take my money and make me pay for someone Else's social need.

Helping out, I have no problem with.. Being forced to, I do. What you don't realize as well, is that I will and many others will opt out in other ways and they are as we speak.

I personally will lower my tax bill to the point that I don't have to pay anything in to anyone, as much as humanly possible.

Dude there are so many things wrong with implementing any form of socialism here in America that it boggles the mind how many different ways it won't work.

You go on though and pretend that you'll get Obama back in the seat.. He's done for, his agenda is done for. One way or another.

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Thanks to this new Obama economy a lot of state and local governments are being forced to cut back in ways that were unthinkable just a few short years ago, and the situation in Topeka is an illustration of that

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You should move to Topeka, Kansas they allow domestic abuse and domestic violence there. It was a win for conservative who dont want government intruding on their private lives. I hear they are planning to ban abortions & enforce prayer in schools next.