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Moonhead -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 8:19:38 AM)
Most likely, but it's still a question worth asking.

Lucylastic -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 8:22:46 AM)
well I mentioned it on the second page, but surprisingly no one wanted to discuss it, instead its just made out that I blamed all righties..so maybe you will have better luck:)

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 9:03:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic It's quite simple, really. They don't have a candidate to vote FOR. Yeah it's all Obama's fault the Republicans in congress stop him from helping the economy. I'm a Democrat. Want to know why I'm so full of hate? I'm sick of Republicans blocking jobs bills and anti-outsourcing bills. I'm tired of Republicans wanting to repeal the Affordable Care Act so many innocent children and adults with chronic illnesses will be sentenced to death just like premeditated murderers. I hate that so many cancer patients who do find a way to pay for chemo aren't eligible for temporary SSDI, despite the fact they paid into it. I detest what Republicans have done to poor and middle class Americans. I hate Republicans for fighting against ending tax breaks for rich corporations that outsource jobs. I'm tired of Republican politicians and greedy businesses using Americans' love for freedom to exploit them.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 9:06:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic It's quite simple, really. They don't have a candidate to vote FOR. Yeah it's all Obama's fault the Republicans in congress stop him from helping the economy. I'm a Democrat. Want to know why I'm so full of hate? I'm sick of Republicans blocking jobs bills and anti-outsourcing bills. I'm tired of Republicans wanting to repeal the Affordable Care Act so many innocent children and adults with chronic illnesses will be sentenced to death just like premeditated murderers. I hate that so many cancer patients who do find a way to pay for chemo aren't eligible for temporary SSDI, despite the fact they paid into it. I detest what Republicans have done to poor and middle class Americans. I hate Republicans for fighting against ending tax breaks for rich corporations that outsource jobs. I'm tired of Republican politicians and greedy businesses using Americans' love for freedom to exploit them. Drink much Kool-Aid lately? Job Creation Enabling Bills Passed by the House of Representatives that Have Not Been Considered by the Democrat-Controlled Senate: The Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act (H.R. 872), which would halt duplicative federal regulations on farmers and small business owners that are impeding job creation. The Energy Tax Prevention Act (H.R. 910), which would stop the federal bureaucracy from imposing a job-destroying national energy tax. The Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act (H.R. 2018), which would restrict the federal government’s ability to second-guess or delay a state’s permitting and water quality certification decisions under the Clean Water Act once the EPA has already approved a state’s program, preventing approval process delays that cost jobs and leave businesses hampered by uncertainty. The Consumer Financial Protection & Soundness Improvement Act (H.R. 1315), which would increase consumer protection and government accountability by eliminating the ability of Dodd-Frank’s unelected Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director to unilaterally carry out regulations that hurt job growth. The Restarting American Offshore Leasing Now Act (H.R. 1230), which would help to address high gas prices and support the creation of new American jobs by increasing offshore energy production. The Putting the Gulf of Mexico Back to Work Act (H.R. 1229) and the Reversing President Obama’s Offshore Moratorium Act (H.R. 1231), which would help to put thousands of Americans back to work by ending the de facto moratorium on American energy production in the Gulf of Mexico in a safe, responsible and transparent manner by setting firm timelines for considering permits to drill. The Jobs and Energy Permitting Act of 2011 (H.R. 2021), which would streamline the permit process for American energy production to help lower prices and create tens of thousands of new jobs. The North American-Made Energy Security Act (H.R. 1938), which would require the federal government to make a determination by a date certain on whether or not it will allow the Keystone XL pipeline expansion, which is projected to directly create 20,000 jobs and support the creation of thousands more, to move forward. A Budget for Fiscal Year 2012 (H.Con.Res. 34). With Washington’s failure to control spending hurting job creation in America, the House has passed its budget, while the Senate has not yet considered a budget of its own.

mnottertail -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 9:17:01 AM)
HR 872 synopsis from the republican controlled house website: To amend the Federal Insecticide, Fungicide, and Rodenticide Act and the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to clarify Congressional intent regarding the regulation of the use of pesticides in or near navigable waters, and for other purposes. Try again, ratzenfenger. Do you know that people can see the lies you post?

Owner59 -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 9:19:12 AM)
Phony is as phony posts....[:D]

samboct -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 9:50:26 AM)
I'm going to disagree with the article and with Dark Steven- at least a bit. 1) Obama didn't screw the pooch on the economy. If he had, we'd be looking at a global depression because that was the possible magnitude of the financial failure. It's a lot like the Y2K bug. Everybody thought it was fizzle because it got fixed. Well, if it hadn't gotten fixed, it would have been a disaster. Obama made an error in not tarring the Republicans with the economic crisis he inherited- a grave error. His thought process was simple- the Republicans would be grateful that he didn't rub their nose in the mess they made, that they'd work together with him to clean it up. Ding!!!! Yeah, right....Instead, the spin has been that it effectively never happened, and that the disaster of the economy has been laid at Obama's feet. Republicans seem to be pretty good at this type of ridiculous spin- how many folks believe the fairy story that Ronnie Rayguns won the cold war? 2) Obama does have guts- look at the way he handled the Bin Laden affair. He made the tough call and promptly. 3) Obama has made mistakes- he has underestimated the depths that the Republican party will sink to, and he's hamstrung himself by worrying about showing up as an angry black man- which would automatically alienate the majority of the country. 4) The mainstream media didn't elect Obama- a grassroots campaign did. That the mainstream media is prejudiced against the right is a fairy story spread from Ronnie Rayguns. Never was....and now it's prejudiced against the left. How else do you explain the NY Times not questioning the rationale behind Gulf War II, i.e. buying into the BS about WMD? There were plenty of liberals- me included (who, BTW is happy to call himself a liberal and screw you Bush I) who knew that they Iraqis didn't have the capability that was claimed and were ignored. Yes, I wrote letters in- notice how much good it did? And yet the NY Times is considered a left wing rag.... Sam

truckinslave -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 10:21:16 AM)
quote: Even the hapless Jimmy Carter did not attain that status. Say what???

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 11:23:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: samboct I'm going to disagree with the article and with Dark Steven- at least a bit. 1) Obama didn't screw the pooch on the economy. If he had, we'd be looking at a global depression because that was the possible magnitude of the financial failure. It's a lot like the Y2K bug. Everybody thought it was fizzle because it got fixed. Well, if it hadn't gotten fixed, it would have been a disaster. Obama made an error in not tarring the Republicans with the economic crisis he inherited- a grave error. His thought process was simple- the Republicans would be grateful that he didn't rub their nose in the mess they made, that they'd work together with him to clean it up. Ding!!!! Yeah, right....Instead, the spin has been that it effectively never happened, and that the disaster of the economy has been laid at Obama's feet. Republicans seem to be pretty good at this type of ridiculous spin- how many folks believe the fairy story that Ronnie Rayguns won the cold war? 2) Obama does have guts- look at the way he handled the Bin Laden affair. He made the tough call and promptly. 3) Obama has made mistakes- he has underestimated the depths that the Republican party will sink to, and he's hamstrung himself by worrying about showing up as an angry black man- which would automatically alienate the majority of the country. 4) The mainstream media didn't elect Obama- a grassroots campaign did. That the mainstream media is prejudiced against the right is a fairy story spread from Ronnie Rayguns. Never was....and now it's prejudiced against the left. How else do you explain the NY Times not questioning the rationale behind Gulf War II, i.e. buying into the BS about WMD? There were plenty of liberals- me included (who, BTW is happy to call himself a liberal and screw you Bush I) who knew that they Iraqis didn't have the capability that was claimed and were ignored. Yes, I wrote letters in- notice how much good it did? And yet the NY Times is considered a left wing rag.... Sam 1. No, we wouldnt be looking at a global depression. Companies would have failed, companies would have been split into pieces and companies would have survived intact. Paulson and Bernanke scared the shit out of you so they could have their slush fund to play with. 2. Obama needed no guts to authorize taking out bin Laden. If he has the opportunity and didnt take him out he would have ensured a legacy of weakness. 3. He's made mistakes, like not having a clue about economics and hiring advisors who are more interested in supporting his ideology than they are in economic growth. 4. the maintream media abdicated its responsiblity in vetting this moron.

thompsonx -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 12:51:03 PM)
quote: It is not a strain to conclude that the mainstream media, rather than the electorate, put Obama into the highest office in the land. Your cited op seems to be unaware that in the u.s. the electoral college "put obama in the highest office in the land". If you feel the same way perhaps you both need to take a remedial civics class.

samboct -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:01:52 PM)
"No, we wouldnt be looking at a global depression. Companies would have failed, companies would have been split into pieces and companies would have survived intact. Paulson and Bernanke scared the shit out of you so they could have their slush fund to play with. " That's akin to saying that a bank run wouldn't have much of an effect, since the same results of some failed companies would be seen. Yet the history of bank runs is that they precipitate either recessions or depressions because when credit freezes businesses and economies collapse. While the fundamentals of an economy may be reasonably sound- panic can destroy a great deal of paper wealth in a hurry- and we certainly were looking at that, since major reinsurers such as AIG were in deep trouble. Seems to me that denial of the terrible straits we were in is one of the ways that the neocons have spun things so that GWB doesn't come out looking all that bad. FDR was smarter than Obama-he blamed Coolidge and Hoover for years- and rightfully so. Bush's expansion of the debt wasn't done overnight- and like the mechanic's sign in the shop reads- "Don't expect me to fix it in the same time you took to wreck it." Perhaps Obama's biggest flaw is not telling everybody what kind of rotten shape we're in- courtesy of GWB and company. Sam

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:10:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: samboct "No, we wouldnt be looking at a global depression. Companies would have failed, companies would have been split into pieces and companies would have survived intact. Paulson and Bernanke scared the shit out of you so they could have their slush fund to play with. " That's akin to saying that a bank run wouldn't have much of an effect, since the same results of some failed companies would be seen. Yet the history of bank runs is that they precipitate either recessions or depressions because when credit freezes businesses and economies collapse. While the fundamentals of an economy may be reasonably sound- panic can destroy a great deal of paper wealth in a hurry- and we certainly were looking at that, since major reinsurers such as AIG were in deep trouble. Seems to me that denial of the terrible straits we were in is one of the ways that the neocons have spun things so that GWB doesn't come out looking all that bad. FDR was smarter than Obama-he blamed Coolidge and Hoover for years- and rightfully so. Bush's expansion of the debt wasn't done overnight- and like the mechanic's sign in the shop reads- "Don't expect me to fix it in the same time you took to wreck it." Perhaps Obama's biggest flaw is not telling everybody what kind of rotten shape we're in- courtesy of GWB and company. Sam "bank runs" wouldnt have happened. Youre in the wrong century.

DomKen -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:27:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: samboct "No, we wouldnt be looking at a global depression. Companies would have failed, companies would have been split into pieces and companies would have survived intact. Paulson and Bernanke scared the shit out of you so they could have their slush fund to play with. " That's akin to saying that a bank run wouldn't have much of an effect, since the same results of some failed companies would be seen. Yet the history of bank runs is that they precipitate either recessions or depressions because when credit freezes businesses and economies collapse. While the fundamentals of an economy may be reasonably sound- panic can destroy a great deal of paper wealth in a hurry- and we certainly were looking at that, since major reinsurers such as AIG were in deep trouble. Seems to me that denial of the terrible straits we were in is one of the ways that the neocons have spun things so that GWB doesn't come out looking all that bad. FDR was smarter than Obama-he blamed Coolidge and Hoover for years- and rightfully so. Bush's expansion of the debt wasn't done overnight- and like the mechanic's sign in the shop reads- "Don't expect me to fix it in the same time you took to wreck it." Perhaps Obama's biggest flaw is not telling everybody what kind of rotten shape we're in- courtesy of GWB and company. Sam "bank runs" wouldnt have happened. Youre in the wrong century. you're insane. Boa and aIG would have failed without the TARP bailouts. Their assets came no where near meeting their obligations so all of BoA's depositors would have gone to the FDIC which did not have anywhere near enough liquidity to handle those payouts. No bank was big enough to take over BoA so it would have either closed down completely or been sold off in pieces over the course of many months. A lot of people had unsecured investments and deposits in those two institutions. Simply wiping away all that money would have had a huge knock on effect through out the economy which would have resulted in, at minimum, a couple of years of 5%+ deflation. With other banks failing due to AIG failing and news of the FDIC's woes people would naturally want their money out of the surviving banks. Which means bank runs.

mnottertail -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:29:00 PM)
Not to mention the horrific payout of the FDIC in real cash and in real time. Talk about fuckin inflation..........

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:45:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: samboct "No, we wouldnt be looking at a global depression. Companies would have failed, companies would have been split into pieces and companies would have survived intact. Paulson and Bernanke scared the shit out of you so they could have their slush fund to play with. " That's akin to saying that a bank run wouldn't have much of an effect, since the same results of some failed companies would be seen. Yet the history of bank runs is that they precipitate either recessions or depressions because when credit freezes businesses and economies collapse. While the fundamentals of an economy may be reasonably sound- panic can destroy a great deal of paper wealth in a hurry- and we certainly were looking at that, since major reinsurers such as AIG were in deep trouble. Seems to me that denial of the terrible straits we were in is one of the ways that the neocons have spun things so that GWB doesn't come out looking all that bad. FDR was smarter than Obama-he blamed Coolidge and Hoover for years- and rightfully so. Bush's expansion of the debt wasn't done overnight- and like the mechanic's sign in the shop reads- "Don't expect me to fix it in the same time you took to wreck it." Perhaps Obama's biggest flaw is not telling everybody what kind of rotten shape we're in- courtesy of GWB and company. Sam "bank runs" wouldnt have happened. Youre in the wrong century. you're insane. Boa and aIG would have failed without the TARP bailouts. Their assets came no where near meeting their obligations so all of BoA's depositors would have gone to the FDIC which did not have anywhere near enough liquidity to handle those payouts. No bank was big enough to take over BoA so it would have either closed down completely or been sold off in pieces over the course of many months. A lot of people had unsecured investments and deposits in those two institutions. Simply wiping away all that money would have had a huge knock on effect through out the economy which would have resulted in, at minimum, a couple of years of 5%+ deflation. With other banks failing due to AIG failing and news of the FDIC's woes people would naturally want their money out of the surviving banks. Which means bank runs. Youre clueless. BofA wouldnt have needed a penny of temporary TARP money if they hadnt been forced to buy ML, and they repaid it as soon as they were allowed to. http://faculty.chicagobooth.edu/luigi.zingales/papers/COP_Testimony_3-4-2011.pdf

samboct -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:47:52 PM)
"I've said over and over and over and over ad infinitum, both parties are to blame." ST- here's the problem I have with that statement- it's Wilbur's "analysis" above. The neocons have a vested interest in sweeping the mess that they created under the rug. Yes, it's not all their fault- you can certainly make the case that the Democrats desire to put everybody into a house had a role in the crunch- but I think Democrats have largely owned up to that one. We don't hear Democrats pushing to get everybody into home ownership anymore- we're hearing speeches and advertising trying to rescue homeowners from the disaster. It's arguable that if the Republicans hadn't pulled out the stops on deregulation- thank you Alan Greenspan- that the checks might have reduced the size of the debacle, but when governments get into private investments- even with good intentions- it tends to be a mistake, The neocons however, don't seem to have owned up to anything- they're just blaming Obama for not fixing their messes and doing their damnedest to make sure he doesn't. The size of the stimulus package is a case in point. Krugman pointed out that it was too small- and at best the economy would be treading water. Seems like he was right. (We won't get into its execution which is another problem.) Yet the Republicans were frothing at the mouth at the size of an inadequate package. Unlike a war when we can get both sides to work together- this financial crisis has shown the Republicans playing hard for partisan gain. People like you that say that it's both parties fault...well, you're cutting them more slack then they should get. So yeah- us liberals aren't full of hate, but we're damn sure pissed off. Time to stick our heads out the window and yell, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" Sam

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:52:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: samboct So yeah- us liberals aren't full of hate, but we're damn sure pissed off. Time to stick our heads out the window and yell, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!" Sam time to get your head out of your ass and yell "It stinks like hell up here and Im not going to take it anymore."

defiantbadgirl -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:55:25 PM)
They already repaid it, which means they have no reason to lay off all those workers other than fat cats wanting bigger bonuses.

samboct -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:56:55 PM)
Why Wilbur- I must have struck a nerve-you had to resort to an ad hominem attack. Maybe there's hope for you yet- some whoppers are just too big for even you to swallow? Sam

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Why the Democrats are so full of hate (10/13/2011 2:57:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl They already repaid it, which means they have no reason to lay off all those workers other than fat cats wanting bigger bonuses. What they repaid has nothing to do with future profitability. They have a responsbility to their shareholders to maximize profits, period.

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