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Edwynn -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 12:18:59 PM)
~FR~ The thing that would cause PeePants to such extent that would require recollection of the last ice age melting to have any chance at comparison would be the situation that the "political types" ever faced reality. Politics & media, taken at their word, constitute one red herring after another in desperate attempt to fend off the inevitable. It's not that others are peeing in their pants, it's that YOU have failed to look down and see the political and ideological diaper that you are still wearing.

SlutJessi -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 6:09:33 PM)
We are supposed to believe that 70 million in 3 months didnt come from selling out to corp interests? that 70 million came in 3 months from 56 dollar donations? seriously? Not one dime from the 1% who like the idea of class warefare to keep the masses occupied.

xssve -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 6:28:41 PM)
To the OP: Well, I'm sorry, but abandoning Obama at this point is basically caving in to the GOP, Obama isn't perfect, I have issues with him myself, but there won't be any change till he gets a mandate, he's running out of leverage, and when his own party deserts him, there ain't much he can do. I think liberals have been sandbagging him from the get-go, we did the same thing to Gore and look what that cost us. Look, there is no such thing as an honest politician, the best you can hope for is one that doesn't simply lie to you right in your face and completely ignore you, which is all you can expect from the GOP, they don't even seem to give a fuck about anybody anymore, any that do are promptly purged. If Gary Johnson runs, I'll consider backing anybody but the O-man - right after I get those pigs flying around over my house back in the pen. they purged him already, he's a political zombie as a pub. No, they'll come up with an actual Zombie, god forbid they get anybody with blood in their veins and a heart that still beats. As a dem Johnson would give Obama a serious run for his money - but, the libs would just go all anal on him too, you people can't seem to figure out that that's why we keep losing - I mean how could a pub possibly have gotten elected after Clinton? Because you thought Nader was the fucking messiah, he's just a cynical old man, it's gotta get worse before it get's better, blah, blah, he as much as told you he was just out to tank Gore, who actually had a fucking ten year plan that you let the fucking Texas Mafia dismantle, and basically undo everything Clinton Gore accomplished and then undo it some more - we're now Twenty years behind economically, when we could be ten years ahead, we're back in the goddamn Seventies. Guess what? They don't care if it's worse, they have all their ill gotten all socked away in the Caymans, lah te fucking dah, nice knowin' you. Well it's worse, and it can damn well keep getting worse still, at some point you have to do something to make it better, because there is still ample room for worsesness, how much worse do you need? How much worse do you think we can endure?

Edwynn -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 6:32:34 PM)
You sound like geilematz. You argue against what I never said to purpose of agreeing with the sentiment. Blind rage needs a new prescription for eyeglasses. The first time I see any of the current protesters speaking directly to the core issue of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act or the Phil Gramm-sponsored Commodities Futures Trading Modernization Act, or any awareness whatsoever that the Federal Trade Commission or the Antitrust Division of the Justice Department have ever strayed from the course drawn by Reagan and followed religiously from that day, would be the time that I actually pay attention to them. Just ask the tea party, which is actually no legitimate party at all, what I think about that. I'm not counting on any of that.

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 6:54:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve To the OP: Well, I'm sorry, but abandoning Obama at this point is basically caving in to the GOP, Obama isn't perfect, I have issues with him myself, but there won't be any change till he gets a mandate He had a close to a mandate as he'll ever have for two years and accomplished nothing but extending the recession.

xssve -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:04:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: xssve To the OP: Well, I'm sorry, but abandoning Obama at this point is basically caving in to the GOP, Obama isn't perfect, I have issues with him myself, but there won't be any change till he gets a mandate He had a close to a mandate as he'll ever have for two years and accomplished nothing but extending the recession. Uh no, that would have been the GOP tanking all the Keynsian stimulus that was needed to create jobs, and smooth out the business cycle - you fucking punched a hole in the boat, then punched holes in all the lifeboats and destroyed the radio. Own it, it's yours. You had all three branches of government, which I don't think has ever happened before, and true to form, you shit the fucking bed.

Edwynn -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:07:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve Because you thought Nader was the fucking messiah, he's just a cynical old man, it's gotta get worse before it get's better, blah, blah, he as much as told you he was just out to tank Gore, ... Nader said no such thing. What's 'funny' (though actually very sad) is that the media and the league of women voters kept excluding Nader from the debates because he was a 'marginal' candidate, not worthy of concern, etc., though he spoke to the sentiments of many. But come the Diebolt/Supreme Court implementation of a president that nobody wanted, .... now, all of a sudden, Nader is a 'factor,' more conveniently, a scapegoat. In contrivance to the argument that excluded him in the first place. Make up your mind, bitches. If Nader is that much of a factor, then let him into the debates. If not, then STFU about 2000 "election."

slvemike4u -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:09:03 PM)
Come on now, Nadar certainly wasn't siphoning votes from Bush back in 2000.

Edwynn -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:14:03 PM)
No, Florida and the Supreme Court took care of that. Or were you awake then?

Sanity -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:17:31 PM)
Run Ralph run quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Come on now, Nadar certainly wasn't siphoning votes from Bush back in 2000.

Edwynn -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:27:57 PM)
Run Herman run.

slvemike4u -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:35:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn No, Florida and the Supreme Court took care of that. Or were you awake then? Nah,as a matter of fact I slept thru 2000... Right up till thanksgiving 2003, I was really,really tired. [8\|]

slvemike4u -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:37:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Run Ralph run quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Come on now, Nadar certainly wasn't siphoning votes from Bush back in 2000. Any chance Sarah might change her mind [:)]

willbeurdaddy -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:42:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: xssve To the OP: Well, I'm sorry, but abandoning Obama at this point is basically caving in to the GOP, Obama isn't perfect, I have issues with him myself, but there won't be any change till he gets a mandate He had a close to a mandate as he'll ever have for two years and accomplished nothing but extending the recession. Uh no, that would have been the GOP tanking all the Keynsian stimulus that was needed to create jobs, and smooth out the business cycle - you fucking punched a hole in the boat, then punched holes in all the lifeboats and destroyed the radio. Own it, it's yours. You had all three branches of government, which I don't think has ever happened before, and true to form, you shit the fucking bed. He had control of both Houses. Own it, its his.

xssve -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:46:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn No, Florida and the Supreme Court took care of that. Or were you awake then? I blame gore too, Nader had every right to run, but as a practical matter, Gore had the plan, he was the man, period, you're fucking playing with your pud if you thought you were gonna change the system at that point, there is a system and we're stuck with it. I agree in principle with most of what Nader says, but there was a lot ridding on that 2000 election, and we lost a lot of jobs when we lost Gore, they had some very good programs already in place hat would have assured steady economic growth into the next decade, programs Bush and co gutted, and here we fucking are. You need to wake the fuck up now, or start practicing to be a progressive in a fucking Maquiladora.

Edwynn -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 7:47:31 PM)
There is a reason that you never played as a catcher, or an outfielder, or an infielder, or anything else on a baseball team. Learning how to catch anything ... What a bitch.

xssve -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 8:03:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: xssve quote: ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy quote: ORIGINAL: xssve To the OP: Well, I'm sorry, but abandoning Obama at this point is basically caving in to the GOP, Obama isn't perfect, I have issues with him myself, but there won't be any change till he gets a mandate He had a close to a mandate as he'll ever have for two years and accomplished nothing but extending the recession. Uh no, that would have been the GOP tanking all the Keynsian stimulus that was needed to create jobs, and smooth out the business cycle - you fucking punched a hole in the boat, then punched holes in all the lifeboats and destroyed the radio. Own it, it's yours. You had all three branches of government, which I don't think has ever happened before, and true to form, you shit the fucking bed. He had control of both Houses. Own it, its his. For what? Two years? You need a Twenty year plan: that takes Ten years to get programs in place of the for the next Twenty years, and stick to it - this is economics, it ain't fucking magic. When I was tree planting in the Eighties, I worked with good old boys and their wives who had retired only to find their pensions had been "reorganized" into shit like Philippine gold mining scams - out working like Mexicans, alongside Mexicans, to get enough to eat and gas RV's they had planned to use to be touring the quality waters thanks to your buddy Ronnie Raygun. It wasn't pretty, it was fucking tragic and hard to watch - that's where you're gonna be, and as much as I respect and admire you... not - I really don't wanna watch that either.

xssve -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 8:14:13 PM)
All we got from you is bills and dead bodies, and 2 Million metric tons of depleted uranium to clean up. Here's your legacy, rejoice.

imperatrixx -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 8:16:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve Well, I'm sorry, but abandoning Obama at this point is basically caving in to the GOP, Obama isn't perfect, I have issues with him myself, but there won't be any change till he gets a mandate, he's running out of leverage, and when his own party deserts him, there ain't much he can do. I completely disagree. I don't get the 'party' thing, I've always been a loner not a joiner. I'm registered Democrat but I don't consider myself "a democrat" just "a liberal" or "a leftist" or whatever. I don't see the GOP as 'the enemy' I see them as a political party who is not running any candidates that I'm interested in voting for. And right now I see Obama as the same way. I get the whole "Obama is slightly better than anyone the GOP would run" thing but I also have to live with my vote and I don't want to vote for someone I don't support just because they're slightly less bad. I'm not down with the party vs party thing, if the only reason to vote for Obama is so the GOP doesn't win, then I have absolutely zero fucking reason to vote for Obama. The biggest difference imo between voting for a candidate and voting for an incumbent is that when you vote for a candidate you give him a vote of confidence. Re-electing an incumbent means you're saying you support what he's done. If the GOP wins this election, they deserve to. Because right now all I see is Democrats in Washington and Democrat voters turning every one of their failures into herp derp the GOP and I'm sorry but if you're that incapable of performing when there is strong opposition, why am I voting for you again? Obama sold himself as a brand. I saw that when he was running the first time. He can't back it up. And believe me I do give a fuck about social issues and I think the pro-life anti-gay god squad is absolutely nuts and trying to take America into some fucking Shariah dark age. If it looks like he's going to lose in Illinois (where I'm registered) I'll probably vote for him...but so long as I have the luxury of not supporting someone who does not deserve my support I won't.

Edwynn -> RE: Not voting for Obama. (10/15/2011 8:20:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xssve You need to wake the fuck up now, or start practicing to be a progressive in a fucking Maquiladora. Sorry, but I am actually with Imperatrix and Hannah on this one. I'm all in favour of just letting it go. Vote Republican; I do dislike the extended torture we are presented with currently. Vote straight ticket Republican and let's just be done with it. My outdoor skills are well intact, all the more fun to see others , especially the "political types," fall by the wayside, which is where any of them would be in less than a month. Thank heavens.

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