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"We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:58:14 AM   
LillyBoPeep


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Status: offline 		" - against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_excop_we_fabricated_drug_raps_for_quotas.html#ixzz1afq9qhrn


it's not really all that surprising to me, sadly enough.


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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 6:09:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Arrest quotas"?  Oy.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 7:02:17 AM   
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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 1:49:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is not even slightly surprising. Disgusting, but honestly I'd be more surprised if there were none of this happening. Police corruption is so rampant in this country it's amazing.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 2:32:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

" - against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_excop_we_fabricated_drug_raps_for_quotas.html#ixzz1afq9qhrn


it's not really all that surprising to me, sadly enough.



Policemen have always scared me a little...because I have known too many who have become very jaded with their job and see everyone as guilty before proven innocent. I knew them through my dad (his drinking buddies and fellow poker players) and then through my aunt (she dated some) and mother. The last one was a detective in Dayton, Ohio, and...ah...let's just say he was his wife's "business manager" and leave it at that.

It doesn't surprise me that power corrupts, and that having a system of quotas would put pressure on people to perform, regardless of their oath to protect and serve. Thank God for that security tape in the bar that proved that those poor men were set up and drugs planted on them by the detective. Glad they were stopped and the scandal unleashed.

It is surprising that some of the cops saw this as a victimless crime, just because the people set up and arrested would be out of jail by the next day. Reputations lost, permanent police record, money spent, jobs lost... If this had happened to a relative, I would have been believing that it had to be true if the drugs had been found on them. :(

I used to not think too well of some lawyers, but now I have a greater appreciation. They really are the last line of defense someone has when their client has been "framed".

I am so glad I don't live in New York.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:02:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		i don't know about arrest quotas, but i'm sure in Davis, CA there are traffic ticket quotas. 

ETA: Their police department is about four times as big as it should be for a town that size and with that low level of crime.   To pay for it, they issue buttloads of bogus tickets.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:13:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gungadin09

i don't know about arrest quotas, but i'm sure in Davis, CA there are traffic ticket quotas. 

pam



The difference with traffic tickets is that a cop can legitmately ticket you for pretty much anything. I know in the state of New Jersey, a cop can ticket someone for not having the right air pressure in their tires, the little lightbulb on your license plate being out and something hanging from your rearview mirror. Most cops aren't going to be bothered with this stuff, but when quotas are instituted, they will to meet them.

You don't risk prison over a traffic ticket though. Neither is your reputation, relationships or livelyhood at risk.

With traffic tickets, those fines contribute to the money the towns have.

With this story, what would appear to be happening is that public outcry over police not being effective at "getting the drugs and dealers off our streets." So politicians put pressure on the department chiefs to show the public they are out there doing their jobs.

I know so many here (and everywhere) hate the police and feel they are all corrupt. But think of it this way. When bad things are happening, every one screams the police aren't doing their job. When they do do their job with legitimate busts or clearing up cases, someone is screaming about that as well. I would guess that at least 20-30% of people charged with these types of crimes are screaming they are innocent. Of that percentage, I would bet that less than 5% actually are.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:19:28 PM   
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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:22:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Definately it sucks. I hope the police who they found are fabricating charges all face the maximum punishment. But that isn't going to fix the problem either.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:32:07 PM   
Sashareign


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Status: offline 		A number of police departments are trying to make these kind of tapes illegal. We had an incident near Philadelphia in the last year or so, where the police were way out of hand at a convenience store (they really hurt a young woman and then lied about it) and the tape eventually became public. But evidently several officers, those involved and others, visited the convenience store a number of times and "leaned" heavily on whoever was there, saying things like "You had better destroy those tapes." Because they knew there had been a camera. I think there is a site called CopWatch. I just can't go there. I know it will break my heart.

I could write a lot more on this topic but I am sad now.

Thanks for posting Uber OP.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:34:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

" - against innocent people to meet arrest quotas, former detective testifies"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_excop_we_fabricated_drug_raps_for_quotas.html#ixzz1afq9qhrn


it's not really all that surprising to me, sadly enough.


Its actually worse than just arresting innocent people. The govt also seizes and sells their assets and the govt is the financial beneficiary of those seizures and very motivated to do that. And its pretty dam hard to hire a good lawyer to fight them when the govt has taken all your money and assets away from you before you even stand trial. If you want the assets/money back you have to prove you acquired them legally. This kinda shit has been going on for many years, I have read about horrible abuse by the cops/govt and even targeting innocent people and charging them with anything just to seize assets. It makes the saying "You cant fight city hall" even more true..

"Last year, under this "equitable-sharing" program, the federal government paid out more than $500 million, up about 75% from a decade ago.

The payments give authorities an "improper profit incentive" to seize assets, says Scott Bullock of the Institute for Justice, a libertarian public-interest law firm in Arlington, Va. It's a particular concern amid current state and local government budget problems, he contends."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903480904576512253265073870.html

http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/138299-asset-forfieture-policing-fun-profit-america.html

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:40:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think more convicts are actually innocent than people think. People about whom I have personal knowledge have nothing to do with it. It's the way the system works. To save money they do not investigate crimes, when a crime is commited they investigate a person. This is the most likely suspect based on about five minutes of consideration. At that point they tend to ignore evidence that contradicts their initial assumption. If counter-evidence is not EXTREMELY compelling, it will be ignored and they will continue to build the case against their primary suspect.

It should surprise none that justice is meted out so haphazardly in a society with crime so rampant. And remember this TV watchers, TV is fantasy, they don't always catch the bad guys, not by a long stretch. There are more unsolved crimes than solved actually, and I think it's likely comparable to the number of those unjustly accused and/or convicted, to the number who are simply not caught.

For some, crime has become a science. Just like we might do research or study to be able to do our jobs. And these people are damn good at it. I personally know someone who for example, ran a chop shop for years and processed at least two thousand vehicles. He got busted for one. But for the grace of whatever, he could have still been in business today. Some are.

And, think about this, if that guy who got the 15 years in the other thread had not turned himself in, do you think they would've caught him ? My educated guess would be a 50/50 chance.

Yuppers folks, there are scads of stories about stupid criminals, but how many do you hear about smart criminals ? Even in the other thread about the Black bank robber vs the White embezzler, three fucking billion ? Come on, if he would have used his noggin he probably would've been able to get away with one billion. But no, because it's like I said. Greed is a disease as much as any addiction. If I could just steal a couple of million I would stop. Probably never steal another thing ever. Not that I steal now except media really, but then I wouldn't even do that. Maybe, I might just do it for fun. (now that I think of it, that's the reason anyway)

But the fact is, criminals who get caught are stupid or unlucky. Smart criminals, well you don't hear so much about them. I don't wonder why.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 3:45:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		tj, fear.org has been fighting this shit for a long time. It stands for :

Forfeiture
Endangers
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Rights

They have made some progress but mainly on individual cases, or at a local level. They have taken on the coast guard but I'm not sure how much success they've had.

The fact is though, more and more people know where the real criminals are. Problem is it is getting harder all the time to do anything about it. They want to protect their turf.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 4:07:40 PM   
tj444


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Status: offline 		That is what makes the US govt dangerous and untrustworthy. What i despise the most is that the US govt also tries to push their shit on other countries.

They were trying to get Canada to do the same thing with seizing assets and passing that money on to local govt (corrupting local law enforcement & their motives) but as far as i know, Canada still has not follow suit. The cops do seize assets but not the same way they do in the US. Unfortunately the federal Liberals when they were in power weakened Canadas extradition laws (so Marc Emery now sits in a US jail) so the US does continue to exert its agenda on Canada (& other countries). So far Canada remains sensible regarding medical marijuana but due to the US pressure Canada has still not legalized pot.

There are major differences between the US and Canada, we may speak the same language but we have very different ways of dealing with many things.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2009/jun/05/canada_supreme_court_clarifies_a

http://www.quebecoislibre.org/000415-6.htm

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 4:18:46 PM   
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regardless of their oath to protect and serve
oh they uphold that fucking oath alright, but the mistake you're making is assuming it is you they are there to protect and serve. it isn't, the police's function with regards the general populace is to fucking control, that's it. that's their main function, just look at the reactions to the ows protests. they are the main coercive arm of the state, and they are there primarily to ensure that the people don't get the fuck out of hand, that the ptb maintain control and that their owners can continue to get rich. anything else is just fucking deluding yourself.


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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 10:55:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh your Hanniness ! You better stop making sense like that or we we will have problems mainaining that level of apparent normal disdain. Don't ask why, it was you who did it. But the thing is it works for me and when you say shit like this that I agree with about 912%, I mean, How can I disagree ?

We all know that all these motherfuckers are into is putting as much money in their pocket(s) as possible, and through political power, maintaining the ability to do so. Now they have a contract with the leeches. We support your campaign and you vote for legislation that favors us. The process wasn't invented in Rome but it was refined there.

We all know the problem.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 11:22:43 PM   
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The police are there to protect and serve those in power, at the mandate and behest of those in power. This is any different from the last 8,000 years, just how? Oh, that's right. It just now came into your awareness, hence just now into being. I forgot.

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 11:29:51 PM   
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This is any different from the last 2,000 years, just how?
Doesn't this effectively say the same thing as
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The process wasn't invented in Rome but it was refined there.


Which renders this part
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Oh, that's right. It just now came into your awareness, hence just now into being. I forgot.
really irrelevant and indicative of a severely limited intellect on the part of the one who posted it, don't you think?

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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/14/2011 11:41:11 PM   
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Severely limited capacity there, noted.

It was refined long before Rome ever came along, WASP. All Rome did was dumb it down, and the Brits and some few Canadians have been dumbing it down further ever since.




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RE: "We fabricated drug charges - - 10/15/2011 12:02:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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This is any different from the last 2,000 years, just how?
Doesn't this effectively say the same thing as
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The process wasn't invented in Rome but it was refined there.


Which renders this part
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Oh, that's right. It just now came into your awareness, hence just now into being. I forgot.
really irrelevant and indicative of a severely limited intellect on the part of the one who posted it, don't you think?


Predictable post...calling into question an individual's intellect when they say something that has an ounce (or more) of truth but reflects poorly on you.

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