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RE: chasity - 10/14/2011 11:32:57 PM   
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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 12:04:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		"#2 Could anybody explain to me the appeal of being in chastity? I just can't wrap my head around wanting to not orgasm, it's just completely foreign to me. "

I think I can field that. Now understand tha tI am so dominant by nature you wouldn't believe I would ever do some of the things I have done. I like what it feels like. And what IT is really, is to be prevented from getting what you want. In a way it is just like bondage, and some here might understand that with this being the largest Bdsm community in some sense or another. B stands for bondage. D stands for discipline.

It is just another flavor of the same thing, which is why those who practice(d) self bondage the dangerous way can be their own keyholders, running glue down in the keyhole and shit, making for a problem.

To me bondage is a game but for real, in other words it is secure, it needs not be uncomfortable, in fact comfort is very nice. Leather lined cuffs and all that, no chafing or bruising, fucking great. But it must be absolutely secure.

One time my assho ass went chaste for seven weeks in a CB3000 with a harness. I used a bolt instead of a locking pin and it took a grinder to get it off since I had glued it. I got a second degree burn getting it off. The bolt heated up - go figure.

But that is it, not being able. And chastity is tied up to early development as well as bondage. This is going to go far but here goes. What happens to you when you are very young ? Comparitively a chastity device is kinda like a diaper and a St Andrews cross could be like a carseat. Then a cage, well the old playpen or crib is no different. The word recreation actually can mean re-creation.

What I am saying is that I think it possible that all bondage oriented fetishists are in a way, trying to bring back an earlier time, or stage in life. A time when they were not responsible for anything, including their own well being.

Now I know this is alot to lay down, and I want it understood that it is not a putdown at all. People take responsibilities seriously and do this shit in their spare time all the time, there is nothing wrong with it. And in a way in expressing my opinion I am also expressing my opinion :-) I mean I do it too.

You tie me up then I can do anything that I can do, you can't kill me, you can't beat me up too much, you can't fuck up my stereo, you can't do alot of other things. I am actually free. Free of every self or society imposed grief imaginable when it comes to freedom.

Orwell had one word wrong, it's not slavery that is freedom, it is bondage.

Now think of the saying "having someone by the balls", doesn't a chastity belt kinda follow ? Oh, and I can't prove anything but I read a VERY long time ago that the first chastity methods were applied to males. It was in the form of infibulation and there is not much information available these days about it. Some, but not the shit I read 35 years ago.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 12:14:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		"In my experience (my in field case study research haha) I have found that very few guys do not either masturbate or have sex often enough to create the need for a nocturnal emission. Like I said above I've never had one, and most guys I've talked to about it have either never had one or have only had it happen once or twice in their lives. "

OK so you jack off in the field. There should be an option in preferences for that..... LOL

Anyway, if chastised the male member is usualy in a tube, when it attempts to get hard the blood flow causes a pressure and inhibits the flow of semen through the urethra and whatever. This is not good. It needs to flow just like you need to drink water or something and keep pissing.

Therefore the prostrate milking does make it flow and without causing a high state of arousal. Therefore less impedance to the flow. This is better for the prostrate and probably the testilcles as well.

And then when the time goes long with the penis so restrained, release brings discomfort if not pain. Even if the device was perfectly designed and everything, the fact is that certain skin has not stretched for the duration, and that will not be pleasant.

It's not hell per se, it's just not all that nice. You are too sensitive for a bit. It is a bit hard to explain.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 12:29:22 AM   
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How important is a chasity belt for a mistress.
From what I've read on these boards and elsewhere, I would say its far more important to the sub than to the mistress.


There's nothing like reading to replace real life experiences.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 8:39:27 AM   
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And what IT is really, is to be prevented from getting what you want. In a way it is just like bondage
So it's not that they want to not orgasm, its that they want to be prevented from orgasming. Cool! Thanks Termy, that makes perfect sense to me.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 9:16:18 AM   
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A chastity belt is of little importance to many Mistresses. What IS important is that when she tells you not to touch, you do not touch. Obedience is the key here, not a device that takes obedience out of the equation.



Totally agree here, thank you! That's what I was "arguing" about with a sub who tried to get Me to see it their way. It could mean many things to different people but I want them to obey Me not a device!


I just took a quick look at your profile. In it you say you “live for” leashes. Why not just tell your slave to follow?
You say you “love” blindfolds. Why not just tell your sub to keep his eyes closed?
You say you “love” bondage. Why not just tell your sub to stand or lay still?
You say you “love” gags. Why not just tell your sub to keep quiet?
You say you are “curious” about cages. Why not just tell your sub to stay in the corner?

These are all forms of enforcing the dominants will upon the sub. A chastity device is just another way of doing the same thing. It may not be YOUR way, but that doesn’t make it any less a legitimate form of bondage than rope or chain restraints, hoods, gags, blindfolds, leashes, or cages. And yet when a sub, male or female, says they like to be tied up you never hear dominants or anyone else poo-pooing that desire saying they should just lay there and take it. If someone says they love blindfolds, you don’t hear everyone nay-saying about how they should just keep their eyes closed.

So why is it that every time someone says they enjoy the use of a chastity device so many people want to jump in and say they should just obey and keep their hands off?

You say you want the sub to obey you and not a device? Then why do you tout the use of leashes, blindfolds, bondage, gags, and cages? Those are all devices to make your sub obey.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 9:23:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Leashes, blindfolds, bondage, these are things we play with WHILE WE ARE PLAYING. A chastity device, the way the OP would have it, is a thing that the man wears when he is NOT with us.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 9:24:49 AM   
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Then why do you tout the use of leashes, blindfolds, bondage, gags, and cages?
Because they look sexy, and chastity devices don't?

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 9:31:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my view of things... chastity is fun to play with sometimes... it isn't a sign of anything else. Just like leashes, chains, rope, sex toys, fun clothing or anything else... it is all about the play time.

The state of a cock should have nothing to do with submission or loyalty.


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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 9:34:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		It can be super fun to lock someone away for a day...even if it's not a chastity device per se. Honestly, fitting the long wear things is nightmarish!! Why not go for shiny & sexy like in the Mr S catalog, and party!



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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 9:55:27 AM   
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In my view of things... chastity is fun to play with sometimes... it isn't a sign of anything else. Just like leashes, chains, rope, sex toys, fun clothing or anything else... it is all about the play time.

The state of a cock should have nothing to do with submission or loyalty.


Locket: I so agree, submission, loyalty and dedication are not the by-product of chastity, neither are floggers, single tales, shackles, cages, knives, needles blindfolds or cells causal of suborning one’s self to the will and authority of another. But damn they are tools and toys that are fun to play with.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 10:07:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

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Then why do you tout the use of leashes, blindfolds, bondage, gags, and cages?
Because they look sexy, and chastity devices don't?


In your opinion.  Which is not necessarily everyone's opinion.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 10:18:03 AM   
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Leashes, blindfolds, bondage, these are things we play with WHILE WE ARE PLAYING. A chastity device, the way the OP would have it, is a thing that the man wears when he is NOT with us.


"the way the OP would have it"?  He was asking a question...not "would have"ing anything. 

And what I was responding to was MistressLilliana's comment about wanting a sub to obey her and not a device when she clearly uses other devices frequently, as well as the nonsense that comes up every time that someone mentions a chastity device about how they shouldn't "need" a device and should just obey.  A chastity device is simply another form of restraint, whether it is used short term or long term. 

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 10:54:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		The view of the sub I was talking with has a completely different view on what chastity means for him and he couldn't understand why I didn't agree but I thought I'd share what he had to say.

His view on chastity is that being locked up forever is the only way that any male can fully submit and commit to one woman. That men naturally want to be pleased and please themselves and that a true TPE can only be accomplished if he is unable to do this. To be someones devoted pet, the Master/Mistress must remove temptation and any use of his penis and because they are the only ones who can remove it and won't remove it, this is the only way a sub/slave/pet can fully submit.

I do not agree. I believe that if a sub/slave/pet loves their Dominant partner and truly finds happiness in Their pleasure that they will do as told. I believe that true TPE and real connections do not come from a device but from how two people feel for each other. What they feel towards another dictates whether or not they can and will submit entirely. Trust and loyalty mean more to me than a device keeping them from doing what I tell them not to.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 11:16:41 AM   
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In your opinion.
Not really, that was the reason for the question mark. I was offering a possible answer to your question.

<I find it interesting that people ask for opinions, and then when they get one they don't like they pull out the old "Which is not necessarily everyone's opinion. " line. Which leads me to wonder why you bother asking in the first place.>

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 1:03:46 PM   
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In my view of things... chastity is fun to play with sometimes... it isn't a sign of anything else. Just like leashes, chains, rope, sex toys, fun clothing or anything else... it is all about the play time.

The state of a cock should have nothing to do with submission or loyalty.

Exactly. It's fun to play with sometimes, and it is what it is, but it's also not what it's not.....a sign of anything else.

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RE: chasity - 10/15/2011 1:12:26 PM   
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I enjoy it and so does he, because it heightens the mental aspect of having erotic stimulation, teases, touching , mental and visual as well as physical.
and unable to have a full erection let alone orgasm> A lot of men enjoy it because it heightens their desires, I like to tease him knowing he wont be getting off.he has no interest in trying to escape, he enjoyes the ache the buildup that is continuous, and can last for "how long" .
He may have a nocturnal emission, however its not because he has had an orgasm, his ache is still there, the knowledge is still there. I certainly wouldnt waste the time and money on a submissive that fought to get out of it and hide, this isnt a loyalty thing for me as mcuh as a drawn out tease and denial session.
Different strokes for different folks, It wont change my enjoyment and reasons.
And one doesnt fit ALL especially in this respect

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RE: chasity - 10/16/2011 5:48:34 PM   
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Two questions, one gross and the other not.

#1 <The gross one> Do guys keep on having wet dreams even after they are teenagers?

#2 Could anybody explain to me the appeal of being in chastity? I just can't wrap my head around wanting to not orgasm, it's just completely foreign to me.



Good questions.  And NEITHER question is gross. 

1)  I'm not a doctor, so this is not a medical opinion.  Just my personal experience as a male.  I haven't had a wet dream since I was an adolescent.  Wet dreams are the (male) body's way of emptying the full testicles.  As adolescents and early teens, many (most?) guys aren't getting much sex, so their body has no way of getting rid of all of the semen that is accumulating in there testicles.  But by their late teens, most men are either having sex on a regular basis, or they've learned to masturbate, so wet dreams are no longer necessary.  I assume that there may be guys who live in monasteries, or who don't masturbate, who may still have wet dreams as adults.  But I don't think most guys fall into that category.

2)  The appeal of chastity is different for different people.  Some people enjoy the idea of forcibly being kept from doing or having something.  To those people, the force, and the implied (or real) punishment are the rewards.  Consider it a form of bondage or masochism.

For me, I don't like the forced aspect.  Instead, I enjoy the sacrifice aspect of it.  To fully comprehend this, you first have to understand how important orgasm is to the average male.  Many women say that they have never experience an orgasm, or that they seldom have orgasms.  Few men fall into that category.  Most men have no problem achieving orgasm.  And our orgasms are INCREDIBLE. 

When a man cums, his body releases endorphins, which are basically the most powerful drug known to man.  So without knowing it, most guys are endorphin addicts.  That's why we masturbate so much.  We are like crack addicts.  We're constantly seeking the endorphin rush that we feel when we cum.

For me, the appeal of chastity is in the sacrifice.  Nothing gives greater physical pleasure than orgasm.  So choosing to surrender that is a huge sacrifice.  Choosing to give up that thing which I desire so badly is, in some ways, the ultimate sacrifice (and thus, the ultimate form of submission). 

Imagine that you were in a relationship with an alcoholic, and you gave him/her an ultimatum that they had to choose between the alcohol or you.  Most sane people would expect the alcoholic to choose the alcohol.  After all, addictions are hard to overcome.  But what if he/she chose YOU, and willingly gave up the alcohol?  Can you see how powerful a statement that would be?  THAT is essentially what it feels like to me when I choose to give up my orgasms when my Domme asks/tells me to.  It means that I either have to find pleasing her to be more important than my addiction (my desire to cum), or else I have to disobey her.  The internal battle is profound, and each second of it is a reminder of my Domme's preeminence in my life.

Once the sub has made that sacrifice, a wise Domme can use that sacrifice to strengthen her control over him.  Just because he is refraining from orgasm, that doesn't mean that the desire for it has disappeared.  It's as strong as ever.  So a wise Domme will dangle the possibility of orgasm as a mechanism for control.  It's akin to promising an alcoholic a drink, or promising an addict a hit if they obey a specific command.  Or perhaps women who are parents will understand better if I use the analogy that it's like promising an unruly child a treat to insure his obedience (e.g. "If you do XYZ, I'll give you some candy").  You may not end up giving the child the candy, but the hope of receiving the candy can still control his behavior.  That's exactly how the hope of receiving orgasm can make a man very obedient.  It can also lead to some amazing tease and denial sessions. 

I don't know if that makes sense to you.  It makes sense in my head, but it may not translate well when written down.

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RE: chasity - 10/16/2011 6:14:53 PM   
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RE: chasity - 10/16/2011 6:54:11 PM   
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Your posts are such a gtreat, Roch! Thank you!


Indeed that was a goodie. It's quite difficult to convey why chastity can be such a big thing for male subs and that was the best attempt I think I've seen.

"akin to promising an alcoholic a drink, or promising an addict a hit if they obey a specific command" - yep, good analogy.

And . . . "It can also lead to some amazing tease and denial sessions. "

Hell's bells, I'd say that's an understatement. I think it can turn tease and denial into a 24/7 rapture. For the malesub, that is - I've no real idea how it'd feel for the Domme doing the controlling.

Lastly: "I haven't had a wet dream since I was an adolescent. " - Likewise. I think they came to an end when I began my regular visits to Mrs Palmer and her five daughters.

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