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RE: chasity - 10/16/2011 7:03:15 PM   
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I think locking up someone I have that *connection* with...well, let's just say that the memory remains warm.

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RE: chasity - 10/16/2011 8:13:28 PM   
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I've no real idea how it'd feel for the Domme doing the controlling.

I remember it as a wickedly sadistic delight.

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RE: chasity - 10/16/2011 10:35:05 PM   
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Indeed that was a goodie. It's quite difficult to convey why chastity can be such a big thing for male subs and that was the best attempt I think I've seen.

"akin to promising an alcoholic a drink, or promising an addict a hit if they obey a specific command" - yep, good analogy.

And . . . "It can also lead to some amazing tease and denial sessions. "

Hell's bells, I'd say that's an understatement. I think it can turn tease and denial into a 24/7 rapture. For the malesub, that is



Thanks, Peon.  I thought Heather asked a great question.  I could understand why it would be difficult for women to understand what chastity feels like to males.  So I tried to paint the clearest picture I could of the male perspective on chastity.

I really don't think most women (even dominant women) truly understand how powerful and pleasurable male orgasms are.  Most of them don't realize how badly we desire/need orgasm. 

Most of us (men) can't live without coming on a regular basis.  Hell, most of us can't go more than a day or two without either having sex or masturbating.  Because our need for orgasm is so great, if you control a man's orgasms, you (basically) control the man.

I can't think of many things that can bring me to my knees and make me beg faster than having the old "pleasure hose" turned off.  I (and probably most men) will do ANYTHING in order to have it turned back on.

Orgasm control is a weapon that most Dommes don't truly understand, and therefore under-utilize.  Hopefully, this post will make some of them reconsider. 

You're welcome, Ladies. 

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 12:05:20 AM   
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So ... how to start....

Well, you have got to be kidding!!!!

Wow, am I tired of hearing about how men's sexuality is sooooo damn important and sooooo impossible to control. You wanna know about the power of orgasm .... be a woman!!

Enough said....


... okay, I was mistaken ... I have more to say.

Any man who is submissive just because he is horny, is not submissive to his partner but to his balls!!!

I think I'm done now .... as you were everyone.

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 4:26:21 AM   
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Well, you have got to be kidding!!!!

Wow, am I tired of hearing about how men's sexuality is sooooo damn important and sooooo impossible to control. You wanna know about the power of orgasm .... be a woman!!



I am not a woman.  So I don't know the power of a woman's orgasm.  Why not take the time to try to explain it to me to help my understanding.  That's what I tried to do.  I find that it's more productive if we all try to share knowledge and educate one another rather than just complain.  Complaining is what you were doing, isn't it?

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Any man who is submissive just because he is horny, is not submissive to his partner but to his balls!!!



Nobody said anything about a man being submissive just because he's horny.  You obviously don't know me very well.  Nor do you know Peon very well.  You completely missed the point that we were trying to make.

Heather asked a question, and I took the time to try to share an answer that I thought might be useful.  It sounds like a few people found my response to be helpful.  Sorry that you didn't find it to be.  But your complaints are far less useful.

Heather hasn't responded yet, but I hope she appreciated my attempt at a response, since Wickad obviously didn't. 

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 4:37:12 AM   
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I've often had a comment on male chastity that doesn't always go into detail as I do think that stating that the condition or state of a cock (arousal) shouldn't indicate anything but arousal and fun times and isn't a statement on loyalty. Where Roch talks about the sacrifice or giving up for a domina, I can see and agree there is something there. However, the majority of males that seek chastity are not seeking to give anything up for her... but are seeking someone to put them in chastity without any relation or connection with a certain domina. They don't even present as seeking a personal relationship outside of chastity.

My reason for saying this is that the average male seeking chastity will want to talk about how horny he is, how his balls ache, how hard his cock is trying to get and this is what will monopolize the conversation and focus that the two will have. There is no sacrifice or suffering in silence to prove anything. They seek a keyholder before a domina... they don't seek a relationship or person that means so much that they would give something valuable up with. They seek someone to focus on the state or condition of their cock (arousal) to heighten their enjoyment. It isn't about her or a relationship... but about him. This is what is most lacking in the situation.

With my nick I get a lot of men seeking chastity. My nick means a couple of things.. not locking 'it'. Yet, I can see how it is perceived as locking 'it'. Men seeking a keyholder or chastity are always drawn to my nick... not to me... not to what I would want... but to what they want. All well and fine until they take me out of the equation and simply expect that for one interest and one only, I might do. They are ready to lock it within an email or so.. not because I am so awesome that they would love to be locked for me... but locked for whatever they get out of being locked up and that has nothing to do with me... submission, giving up or giving in or sacrificing anything.

Rarely have I run into someone that actually wants to have more than this and chastity being used as a result of what has evolved from two interacting and actually caring about one another.

Most often men are pointing out how much loyalty this chastity proves and they are trying far too hard to convince a woman of the wonders of it all and talk of how much control the domina will have by using chastity. They are often times not talking about anything other than kinky topics and if submission to them is all its about... fine for them... not fine for me.

Are we domina's so blind that we cannot see the loyalty or wonderful submission in a male willing to give something valuable to him up or the worth or even the fun of it? No, I think not because a number of us state it is fun. We just need the bigger picture and to know that he does this truly for us and shows submission in other areas. That we are not blind to and believe me, we can work that... but really don't have a desire to work it with someone that really doesn't get all chastity can mean outside of a focus on one aspect of it all.

'Pant, pant... my cock is so in need because I want and need that ever elusive cum that I cannot have because I have given it up for you mistress... all for you. See mistress, my cock in bondage for you? I will do anything, I am so horny... I want that cum so bad, I will do anything. See how faithful and loyal I am to you?' This type of communication or manipulation gives those that see the big picture, are submissive in many ways and who care to give it up for a particular woman a bigger challenge if they say they like chastity, because they by sheer numbers alone are included with the numbers of men not seeing the big picture and are a turn off to most dominas. If one of the first things a man brings up is chastity... you can bet that lock... is not about the domina or submission.

I see nothing but a horny man getting off to the denial, the chase and the need for a cum... not the need to please me whether he is aroused or not.

The intensity of a climax by gender is often an outdated view on the value of a woman's orgasm. Men feel more.. men need more than a woman. This is utter bull shit. It was often used to excuse a mans ruthless search for his needs met, all while not considering that a woman has needs and desires too. Men typically in times past thought jumping on and rutting until that cum was good enough and had little consideration for their partners needs and as things evolved and women had a voice, men had to be taught about a womans orgasm because these women weren't having them. It was all about the male, with all his rights to get what he wanted and needed and little attention was given to the woman. How was a woman to like sex or even know what it felt like to orgasm when a man typically jumped on and off at will? Once men valued women more, is when women were able to get what it was all about. I know these are typically of times past, but I'm older and have seen it all evolve. Men, to get it at all, had to put more into it.

I was a curious young lady, horny in all my ways and I asked the women older than me... what it was like for them. Most would rather do dishes. I can't say that is true for my generation and those that have followed. I am thankful for the sixties and seventies and the sexual revolution. lol


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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 4:53:58 AM   
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Wow!  Thanks, Lockit.  That was a  great post!

Believe it or not, I never thought about the attraction your name would have to some horny guys seeking a key holder.  But once you mentioned it, I immediately understood and had to laugh.  I can only imagine the content of some of the e-mails that you must  get.

You definitely understood the message that I was trying to share.  There is definitely a sense of sacrifice for some males when it comes to chastity.  But I completely agree with you that there are also many men who seek chastity as an act of submission to their balls, not to a Domme.  The key, IMO, is knowing the difference.

As far as women's sexual needs go, I completely agree with you.  I think BOTH genders would be far better off if we sought to better understand one another's needs, and then worked to meet those needs based on our enhanced understanding.  That's why I think dialogues like this one are useful. 

Historically, men as a group have probably (okay, "definitely") been selfish lovers.  But as you stated, I think that women of the last few generations have started demanding more.  And we're seeing the benefits of women demanding that their needs be met as well.  I think it's enhanced the sexual experience for both genders.

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 4:54:38 AM   
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my boy does not wear a belt but wears the CB6000 currently. He is locked in it 24/7 and in the 5 mths he has belonged to me he has only been out 3 times but only allowed to cum on 2 occasions.
My boy has not missed any arousal once he cums as he is locked up and it all starts again with him not knowing when he will be let out again

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 5:00:49 AM   
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I cannot say what an orgasm is like for other women. I can only speak for myself. I remember not understanding the great desire that drove me or how to appease it. I hadn't any idea what it was. If I had no idea what it was... you can bet, I was pretty young. I can remember being tormented and wondering how to stop this feeling.

I can remember feeling it with a boyfriend and not knowing after having sex, how to stop it and the hell of the frustration. I had a lot to get through to get to a place where I understood more, explored more and had a guy that actually would explore beyond a touch or tweak of each body part and jumping on. I was left wondering... is that all there is? There has to be more! Why would I want to do this if I am left feeling like this? Where a guy got his... I was left wanting more until I found an older man that had been taught love making and the art of sex, by an older woman and I married that one! lol

An orgasm hopefully is built up desire.. teasing, playing, all consuming passion/lust and when fulfilled, it is earth shattering, mind exploding, extreme physical contractions and spasms that can leave you exhausted and too sensitive for touch for a while and yet often times hungry for more because it is so amazing. It makes you want more, seek more and hunger for it all the time... just as men seek it... so do we. I never met a man that superseded my desire and my goal of getting it. We might match... but none superseded it.

However, wanting it and needing it, doesn't supersede my brain and superseding the brain doesn't in any way mean that the climax is better. It just indicates a more well rounded experience for wanting more than that wondrous climax.


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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 5:17:53 AM   
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lockit hello

i just had a submissive whom was topping from the bottom so much so i wonder what in the hell is
he doing!  i saw what he wanted and he bought things we had agree on and went ahead and did the oppsote of what 'i
had order him to do, it was always ' well you can punish me this way or that, the last straw was i lose all feeling of
wanting him to give his silly submission that was never there to get, he wanted to go to a munch i was invited too, no i dump himm and fast he will not go with me, he never talked laugh or smile, i never had this happen before!  he had the chasity device
before we even began to talk and when we meant it was okay, but something inside of me felt something was wrong!!!!1  i listen to my inner self and i meet my submissive online for real time things, it has never failed me , and lockit it this feeling of something is very wrong never left me until i got rid of him!  Now this feeling is gone!!!! I do not know what it was but he was very quiet about his life, i am glad i let him go! my twin is always and he did it too , they think she is to be serve as i am lol that is the deal breaker for me , my sister is not apart of my lifestyle!!!!!!!

i am so glad you wrote that post it is wonderfully written and so true, it is indeed a piece that many will see their submissive acting in that manner!

thank you again
mons/jane

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 5:18:38 AM   
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my boy does not wear a belt but wears the CB6000 currently. He is locked in it 24/7 and in the 5 mths he has belonged to me he has only been out 3 times but only allowed to cum on 2 occasions.
My boy has not missed any arousal once he cums as he is locked up and it all starts again with him not knowing when he will be let out again


It would appear you have a deeper understanding, its not about when a man cum's or how often, thst occurs if locked upor not, its the unknown and the authority surrounding it. Its as much about what is going on in the big head as it is the little one. The locking device is simply a tool, a prop for one hell of an extended mind fuck provided the woman is in my head and working every moment of it. And, at the same time, I am wondering the corridors of her mind giving flame to her creativity and igniting every nerve ending in her body.

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 5:34:22 AM   
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lockit hello

i just had a submissive whom was topping from the bottom so much so i wonder what in the hell is
he doing!  i saw what he wanted and he bought things we had agree on and went ahead and did the oppsote of what 'i
had order him to do, it was always ' well you can punish me this way or that, the last straw was i lose all feeling of
wanting him to give his silly submission that was never there to get, he wanted to go to a munch i was invited too, no i dump himm and fast he will not go with me, he never talked laugh or smile, i never had this happen before!  he had the chasity device
before we even began to talk and when we meant it was okay, but something inside of me felt something was wrong!!!!1  i listen to my inner self and i meet my submissive online for real time things, it has never failed me , and lockit it this feeling of something is very wrong never left me until i got rid of him!  Now this feeling is gone!!!! I do not know what it was but he was very quiet about his life, i am glad i let him go! my twin is always and he did it too , they think she is to be serve as i am lol that is the deal breaker for me , my sister is not apart of my lifestyle!!!!!!!

i am so glad you wrote that post it is wonderfully written and so true, it is indeed a piece that many will see their submissive acting in that manner!

thank you again
mons/jane


I think that what many men don't understand is that we want to do all sorts of things to them, but when they direct or push... we lose all desire to do anything at all with them. They are in a hurry to get things done... I can appreciate that in dealing with a broken something or other, but sex and people shouldn't be so broken that we must rush into things that are dimmed or diminished by the rush. Those that have allowed for time with me... have had a rough time getting over what was lost when we broke up. They had a hard time finding a woman so focused on sexual things and the feel good, that they wondered why they let other things make them run.

We will give our all when we desire to tease and please... but at our call, our time and our call and timing of it all... will not leave them lacking, if they only have the smarts to understand that we want it all too... just want it to be more in pleasure by using the build up.

They need to remember the hunger of the car back seat... where lust drove them mad. Now that is fun.. but in this quick drive through sexual mentality... we get those that just don't get it and they will top. They leave a domina feeling rather awful don't they? If they want the magic of a domina... they have to let her work it.

I'm glad you walked away from that because there is surely someone or something far better to be had.


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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 8:28:59 AM   
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I'm glad this turned out to be a useful thread after all!

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 11:40:08 AM   
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just what I was thinking, Hibbie.. some GREAT posts here..

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 11:51:43 AM   
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Why not take the time to try to explain it to me to help my understanding.
It starts slowly, a feeling of building pleasure without any focus or any real location, just a generalized "pressure" building up. The best I can come up with is that it is sort of like a balloon inflating with pleasure. Anyway, from there the pleasure just swells and it not so much envelopes you, but more it just envelopes your awareness. The growing, expanding pleasure is all that I am are aware of and I just withdraw into it.

For me there is also a small element of fear in it as well, because it starts to just feel too good, as if my system might overload, but it just keeps on feeling better and better and better and better until it just overflows and sort of short circuits my whole brain. To me it isn't like an explosion, its more that the whole world ceases to exist and there is nothing but pleasure. Thought ceases, feeling ceases, awareness ceases. Nothing exists but that wave of pleasure that flows over and through me, rippling and sparkling with energy. I see flashes of colour, my whole body is tingling, every nerve is firing, my entire being is reduced to this feeling of overwhelming pleasure flowing through it.

I feel totally detached from reality, I have no awareness of anything other than floating in this endless sea of scintillating pleasure. Just soaring far above the world no longer really aware of it, or even myself. Nothing exists but the overwhelming pleasure. My mind and body are just melted away by it, nothing but that pleasure exists.

This feeling lasts as long as the orgasm can be maintained. You see, it's not just a 20 second flash, if the person you are with knows what they are doing the orgasm can be made to last and last and last until I just pass out. My brain just overloads and I black out. Knocked unconscious from pure pleasure.

That's a very inadequate description of what its like for me.

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 11:57:32 AM   
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I don't know if that makes sense to you.  It makes sense in my head, but it may not translate well when written down.
Yes it does, thank you. I can understand it a little better now. Thanks for taking the time and making the effort to explain.

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 3:03:02 PM   
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But what does her malesub being in chastity do for the femdom? Let me be crystal clear, here: it wouldn't do a damned thing for me unless I knew that 'she' was getting something out of it. A very *big* something out of it, in fact.

Er . . . I have an awful feeling that I've missed something in this thread that should have been glitteringly obvious to me. Pray tell if so.

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 3:11:39 PM   
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I like the control I have when my sub is in chastity. And I like to know that, no matter how badly he wants to touch it and/or cum, he can't until I allow it. Of course I will let him eventually, but only I know when and it's a great mindfuck....his mind going wild not knowing when, if ever. I'd have to say that, yeah, it's the control and the mindfuck. I can be a little sadistic that way.

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 3:38:32 PM   
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FR

But what does her malesub being in chastity do for the femdom? Let me be crystal clear, here: it wouldn't do a damned thing for me unless I knew that 'she' was getting something out of it. A very *big* something out of it, in fact.

Er . . . I have an awful feeling that I've missed something in this thread that should have been glitteringly obvious to me. Pray tell if so.

I like driving him insane... sadistic sensual, denial, teasing and otherwise, im not into hard humiliation with him, but even the subtle hint of teasing especially when not alone, yes I like that..
If I didnt like the result, I wouldnt do it.. yes its about me.
Plus milking a man is fun but over rated, and once enforced six or seven ejaculations in an hour or two
they are pretty much useless, which is fine when I want a rest, but not otherwise.
YMMV
It is not something I do for long term, , I probably wouldnt even if we were together 24/7, as I like to play too much to lock it away and have to keep fiddling with a damn key

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RE: chasity - 10/17/2011 3:40:30 PM   
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But what does her malesub being in chastity do for the femdom? Let me be crystal clear, here: it wouldn't do a damned thing for me unless I knew that 'she' was getting something out of it. A very *big* something out of it, in fact.

Er . . . I have an awful feeling that I've missed something in this thread that should have been glitteringly obvious to me. Pray tell if so.



Um. I guess "warm" wasn't a good enough euphemism....

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