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outhere69 -> RE: Obama sending 100 troops to Uganda as "advisors." (10/17/2011 3:57:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan
That's your peace prize winner! Good grief, it just keeps getting more hilarious. Sadly, we all pay the price for his "change." What WERE you people thinking when you voted for this dunderhead? Having the brain damaged biden on the ticket would be bad enough, but O'dingdongs track record, or lack of a track record, should have been enough to disqualify him from even being dog catcher in your town. OK, now you can go back to the "occupy" protest of your choice.

Did all y'all conservatives squawk when Bush 43 wanted to take them out?  Or are all y'alls just bitching because Rush (idiotically) said Obama was out to kill good Christians?




FirstQuaker -> RE: Obama sending 100 troops to Uganda as "advisors." (10/17/2011 3:57:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Why are we in Uganda?

The usual suspects. http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/country/2009/myb3-2009-ug.pdf


No doubt -

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The reality in Uganda is an absolute, murderous mess. As much as the LRA "rebels", Museveni's government (helped by Washington) has also perpetrated horrendous massacres against civilians. Kony may even be an amateur compared to Museveni - a sort of dictator for life who has just supervised the displacement and mass murder of at least 20,000 Ugandans on behalf of British corporations. Additionally, Museveni basically stole the Ugandan elections early this year.


And 

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Uganda's proximity to the new country of South Sudan is key in the whole equation. So far, for Northern Sudan the LRA has been a convenient, weaponized firewall against Western puppet Museveni. But most of all, this whole area is prime real estate where the fierce battle between China and the Americans/Europeans plays out, centered on oil and minerals, all part of the Great 21st Century African Resource War.


And then follow the money -
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Any student of realpolitik knows the US doesn't do "humanitarian" interventions per se. Africom's surge parallels the real name of the game; precious minerals - and mining. Uganda - and nearby eastern Congo - happens to hold fabulous quantities of, among others, diamonds, gold, platinum, copper, cobalt, tin, phosphates, tantalite, magnetite, uranium, iron ore, gypsum, beryllium, bismuth, chromium, lead, lithium, niobium and nickel. Many among these are ultra-precious rare earth - of which China exercises a virtual monopoly.

The mineral rush in Africa is already one of the great resource wars of the 21st century. China is ahead, followed by companies from India, Australia, South Africa and Russia (which, for instance, has set up a fresh gold refinery in Kampala). The West is lagging behind. The name of the game for the US and the Europeans is to pull no punches to undermine China's myriad commercial deals all across Africa.

Then there's the inescapable Pipelineistan angle. Uganda may hold "several billion barrels of oil", according to Heritage Oil's Paul Atherton, part of a recent, largest-ever on-shore oil discovery in sub-Saharan Africa. That implies the construction of a $1.5 billion, 1,200 kilometer long pipeline to Kampala and the coast of Kenya. Then there's another pipeline from "liberated" South Sudan. Washington wants to make sure that all this oil will be exclusively available for the US and Europe.


Obama, the king of Africa







Masta808 -> RE: Obama sending 100 troops to Uganda as "advisors." (10/17/2011 4:27:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Why are we in Uganda?

The usual suspects. http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/country/2009/myb3-2009-ug.pdf


No doubt -

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The reality in Uganda is an absolute, murderous mess. As much as the LRA "rebels", Museveni's government (helped by Washington) has also perpetrated horrendous massacres against civilians. Kony may even be an amateur compared to Museveni - a sort of dictator for life who has just supervised the displacement and mass murder of at least 20,000 Ugandans on behalf of British corporations. Additionally, Museveni basically stole the Ugandan elections early this year.


And 

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Uganda's proximity to the new country of South Sudan is key in the whole equation. So far, for Northern Sudan the LRA has been a convenient, weaponized firewall against Western puppet Museveni. But most of all, this whole area is prime real estate where the fierce battle between China and the Americans/Europeans plays out, centered on oil and minerals, all part of the Great 21st Century African Resource War.


And then follow the money -
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Any student of realpolitik knows the US doesn't do "humanitarian" interventions per se. Africom's surge parallels the real name of the game; precious minerals - and mining. Uganda - and nearby eastern Congo - happens to hold fabulous quantities of, among others, diamonds, gold, platinum, copper, cobalt, tin, phosphates, tantalite, magnetite, uranium, iron ore, gypsum, beryllium, bismuth, chromium, lead, lithium, niobium and nickel. Many among these are ultra-precious rare earth - of which China exercises a virtual monopoly.

The mineral rush in Africa is already one of the great resource wars of the 21st century. China is ahead, followed by companies from India, Australia, South Africa and Russia (which, for instance, has set up a fresh gold refinery in Kampala). The West is lagging behind. The name of the game for the US and the Europeans is to pull no punches to undermine China's myriad commercial deals all across Africa.

Then there's the inescapable Pipelineistan angle. Uganda may hold "several billion barrels of oil", according to Heritage Oil's Paul Atherton, part of a recent, largest-ever on-shore oil discovery in sub-Saharan Africa. That implies the construction of a $1.5 billion, 1,200 kilometer long pipeline to Kampala and the coast of Kenya. Then there's another pipeline from "liberated" South Sudan. Washington wants to make sure that all this oil will be exclusively available for the US and Europe.


Obama, the king of Africa




As I said before it would be better if Obama said they got an WMD, it worked well for Iraq. Its not like Halliburton or other corporations benefited from the US invasion of Iraq. Also it had nothing to do with the oil. It was all about the WMDs.




xssve -> RE: Obama sending 100 troops to Uganda as "advisors." (3/30/2012 8:09:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Masta808

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/obama-sends-100-u-military-advisors-uganda-193812911.html

Isn't this how Vietnam started?
And why do we even have any relations or communications with Uganda?
I wonder how much "foreign aid" they're stealing?
I wish the election were next month instead of next year. Oblunder is insane.



Instead he should have said that uganda has WMDs. That worked out well for Iraq


Not far off the mark as it turns out: while the LRA and the Ugandan civil war has been a curse on Uganda, a conflict going back to colonial times, the ruling kleptocracy in the South was routinely slaughtering Northern Ugandans, from whence the LRA arose, led by Kony.

The fallout makes even Darfur look tame: Kony's tactic was to raid villages, kill the adults, kidnap the children, then retreat on a forced march back to his camps across the border in Sudan. On these marches, the children were forced to kill any children to young or tired to keep up, and then eat them, once they reached the camps in the Sudan, the boys would be trained as soldiers, the girls farmed to to his officers.

As a result, enormous numbers of civilians were herded into IDP camps (INternally Displaced Persons), where they faced rampant malnutrition and disease, and at the mercy of the Ugandan army, who torture the men and rape the women, while the Ugandan government skims the international aid and the funds provided to fight the LRA.

Now the thing is, this has been going on for over 20 years, rape is common, and Uganda has some of the highest AIDS rates in the world (actually less among the LRA: Kony is paranoid about STDS, adultery and premarital sex are punishable by death) - blamed on homosexuals, but more likely spread by rapists infected by eating bushmeat.

The good news is, the war itself is effectively over: nobody has seen Kony in like 5 years, most people think he's dead, the LRA's activities have diminished significantly, and the two sides are engaged in peace talks.

The bad news is, more oil has been discovered, and US "advisors" sent in in response to what probably is the most severe humanitarian crisis on the planet (and has been for 20 years), about the time it looks like it might be over.

Of course, they still have AIDS, Ebola, malaria and malnutrition, and a corrupt psycho-kleptocratic government grown fat skimming aid, so it will be interesting to see just what sort of changes our advisors will be able to effect, even insofar as making the world safe for Halliburton.

We could cynically pin this on Obama, but it's basically in line with Bush energy policy (in fact Obama is basically following through on the Bush policy in Uganda, this thing was put into play back around 2005 when the ICC issued a warrant for Kony, which actually hindered peace efforts), and it might be more productive to ask why abetting kleptocratic mass murderers is so critical to out energy policy to begin with.

i.e., there doesn't appear to be any "good" side here, other than the Ugandan people, just a side able to grant on Oil contracts for a price.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obama sending 100 troops to Uganda as "advisors." (3/30/2012 5:03:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/obama-sends-100-u-military-advisors-uganda-193812911.html

Isn't this how Vietnam started?
And why do we even have any relations or communications with Uganda?
I wonder how much "foreign aid" they're stealing?
I wish the election were next month instead of next year. Oblunder is insane.



100 troops.

Vietnam.

Get a life.




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