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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 9:55:55 AM   
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How about "Give a damn, self-exam!" lol


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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 10:10:04 AM   
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<shrugs> I think I'll take the "narrow" view of someone within the age range of the girls in the OP over the "narrow" views of those of us who are far from it.

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I'm only 25. Is that too far removed? Only 7 years out of high school.


Fairly close yes, but Heather is 18 and so closer still.


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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 11:14:16 AM   
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I wonder how this got from my agreeing the school administration was correct to flashing titties to boys. Is that some new breast cancer thing now that teenagers are doing in the name of same?
No, the way it got from there is that while you, and others are all saying how age inappropriate the shirt is, those same girls are lifting their shirts and flashing their boyfriends and girlfriends on cam on a regular basis. The point is that you people simply don't have any idea what is being done by high school girls in this day and age. What was inappropriate when you were in school is quite simply boring, run of the mill nowadays.

Perhaps there is a major difference here between the US and Canada, because both Suze and Cheri confirm what I am saying, it was the same in their high schools as well. Topless pix and caming is a pretty normal thing nowadays.



You are 100% right, totally different from when I was in high school, nearly 40 years ago. When I was in high school, we had a smoking area. When I was in high school, kids were regularly making out in the halls.

Here's the kicker. I'm actually closer to knowing what goes on in a US high school than you are. Why? Because I have a son who was just there. And he has a girlfriend, and they have friends who all come to my house, and talk to me about their problems (except my son, go figure).

Do these girls oversexualize things? Yep. Does that mean it is a good thing? Nope. Moreso, does that mean that parents and schools should encourage this kind of behavior? Nope.

These girls are doing these things not because they WANT to be sexually free, but because they feel pressure to act that way. Pressure from the boys, which is nothing new, been going on since men discovered they had dicks. Pressure from the media that indicates this is the way to behave. Hell, even magazines that show them they need to be heroin skinny and barely covered to be in fashion.

In the US TODAY, not 40 years ago, students are not permitted to wear shirts that have certain slogans on them, whether they be sexual, alcohol, drug related, or just deemed "inappropriate" by the administration. Students are not permitted to smoke on school grounds. Students are not permitted to have sexual contact of almost any kind in the school. Now I know you are going to comment on that last one, but considering I am a parent who got a phone call about my son kissing his girlfriend in the hall and getting in trouble for it, I'm the one who actually knows. For the record, I told the school they were out of their minds on that one, since it wasn't making out, but a peck before class.

The point is that the administration is trying to teach these girls that they can promote breast exams without sexualizing it or dumbing it down. That they should have a bit more respect for themselves and their bodies.

I know very much what is going on in the high schools. I took my son's phone to show a friend a picture of his girlfriend once and stumbled upon pictures of him naked that he took for his girlfriend. Trust me, I could have lived my whole life without that image. I am friended by all these kids on their facebook page and they know I regularly look at what they say and their pictures. I know that there are orgy parties that take place, that include video taping.

I've also told them about the teenagers who have been charged with "kiddie porn" for sending such text messages. They also have been made aware that if they put that picture on their facebook page, someone can steal it and put that picture anywhere and there is nothing they can do about it.

The point is not whether or not kids are doing these things. The point is whether or not we, as adults, as parents, as school officials, should encourage this behavior. If we do, we are doing a horrible disservice to both our sons and our daughters.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 11:39:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

This slogan would be a non starter with the right wing Christians. Cuss word, you know.
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How about "Give a damn, self-exam!" lol



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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 11:44:35 AM   
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Just because immature, horny teenagers engage in a certain behavior doesn't mean society should just shrug their shoulders and look the other way.

Sometimes the rationalizations in here just reek of smelly socks and frustrated HNG fantasies.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 11:56:45 AM   
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I know it's over and doesn't matter, but here is my opinion. 

There is nothing particularly wrong with the shirts or their slogan ... in general.  If the school administrators have a problem with the slogan, then they have a problem with it and the shirts can't be used - although I certainly hope that the cheer-leading uniforms that their cheerleaders wear aren't as skin-tight and skimpy as they were at my high school (a shirt with a borderline risque slogan shouldn't be a problem when their cheerleaders are normally 1/2 naked anyway). 

I remember all kinds of shirts being banned when I was in school - the Big Johnson shirts came out when I was in Jr. High, I believe, and there were some other shirts at about the same time that were very inappropriate.  Compared to those shirts, "feel for lumps, save the bumps" is tame.


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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 1:24:31 PM   
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distracting from the job these children have to learn
And what exactly are they supposed to learn at a football game? What is the vital lesson that will be distracted from?

Leadership and team work.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 1:52:20 PM   
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Where are all of the cute slogans for colon cancer?


Thank you. This is why I have a hard time with the "Save the ta-tas" and all these other cutesey names to draw attention to the issue as if women's breasts are cartoonish and we can't use real words - we have to say "boobies" or "ta-tas."


Once you make up shirts like that the focus of your event becomes the shirt instead of the cause behind it... which maybe doesn't matter as long as it raises money and awareness but I still feel it is inapproriate. That so many people are not bothered by lowering the issue down to this lowest common denominator is just plain sad.

Maybe they should let kids from St. Jude's wear the shirts. Then maybe people might start taking this seriously.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 1:57:50 PM   
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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 2:01:16 PM   
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Once you make up shirts like that the focus of your event becomes the shirt instead of the cause behind it...


Not necessarily. The year I participated behind the scenes for the Weekend to End Breast Cancer, there were lots of creative cute t-shirts and we raised 7.2 MILLION dollars.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 5:24:29 PM   
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Maybe I didn't get the memo, but when did the supposition that certain groups of people are engaging in inappropriate behavior make that the gold standard for defining what appropriate or inappropriate bahavior actually is?

Just because immature, horny teenagers engage in a certain behavior doesn't mean society should just shrug their shoulders and look the other way.

Sometimes the rationalizations in here just reek of smelly socks and frustrated HNG fantasies.


But isn't that the point everyone is trying to make? The kids are doing it anyway, so we might as well just let them join in. As a parent, there are some things I can advise against, explain the reasons and hope for the best.

Parents, school officials, adults in general are responsible for setting the tone, for letting kids know how to navigate through the world. What I see is a future generation that will be a mess, because the youth of today want there to be NO line in the sand between right and wrong.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 5:38:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I must be odd man out than. It didn't make me think of finding a cure or even having mine checked. It made me think a lot of the kids I know are brighter than the adults I know.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 7:20:13 PM   
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Whether they are at a game or wearing them around the school, this slogan is not approprate for teenaged girls.  I sure the heck wouldn't buy or allow my child to buy such a slogan but would get her a more fun, slogan that doesn't suggest feelin' for lumps on breasts.     

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This was as far as I got before I was overwhelmed to respond.

Have any of you people looked around lately at the teenagers in our society? THEY HAVE BOOBS!!!!!!!!

And the best way, the easiest way, the cheapest way, to catch breast cancer in its tracks is ....... you guessed it. FEEL FOR LUMPS. Where I live sex ed starts in grade 4. I think that we are doing a complete dis-service to our young girls by railing against this message.

It sounds like a lot of you have reverted to my mothers youth where the girls were tough that it was wrong to touch yourself ... for any reason. She died of breast cancer 9 years ago. My daughter is only 8, but she will be taught early to check for lumps.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 7:44:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		why are so many of you intent on sexualizing the message these t-shirts are trying to spread? can't support breast cancer research - strange people will come up to us and feel up our breasts! leads to ..... oh - can't support colon cancer research ... strange people will come up to us and give it to us up the ass ........ be real people. There is nothing sexual about the message except what your warped puny minds imagine.

Yes - the administration has every right to say no to the girls wearing the shirts at a school function. That is one of the functions of administration - regardless of what they administer! Does that mean they were right? Its not our call - unless we live in that particular school district and are directly affected by the decision.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 8:24:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I asked my daughter if those shirts were presented to her, and she was asked to wear them on a certain day to support breast cancer, would she?
She said no.
I asked her why.
She said that in her opinion, they were tacky, offensive, and rude to those who have survived, and are currently fighting breast cancer. I am in total agreement with her.
However, that's a personal opinion on the issue. In regards to the actual OP:

While I do not agree with the administration telling them that they could not wear the shirts; I DO SUPPORT the admin's right to make that decision.



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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 9:15:27 PM   
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She said no.
I asked her why.
She said that in her opinion, they were tacky, offensive, and rude to those who have survived, and are currently fighting breast cancer. I am in total agreement with her.


I am in agreement too. And I am part of this younger generation. I have a sense of humor about most everything. I have a self denigrating sense of humor too. I make fun of myself a lot. Why? Because I know what I can do and when. I have self confidence and don't feel a need to be egotistical or super serious about myself. I know when the time comes what I will or won't do, so there's no need to brag or talk about it.

Anyone ever read the Chronicles of William Bailey? At the end one of the characters dying from cancer basically tells his son not to take everything so seriously. He tells him it's okay to outwardly to act like you have less than you really do, as long as you possess real self confidence. Because then all the people who view you from the outside don't really know what you have and you can keep it close. I really appreciate and get into that message.

I have my own problems, and if I had cancer, I would find the lighter side of things. I know this about myself. I would do it as a bit of a self defense too. So people didn't feel sorry for me or pity me. I kind of hate that. So I would play it light. Health problems don't make you a lesser person. But I also know that I would spread awareness in a classier way.

I suppose this is just a personal opinion, but when you start throwing around sexual innuendos in the face of a serious sickness like that, it just cheapens it. Someone made the point earlier about having pink ribbons and bracelets. Everyone knows what that means. It's subtle, it's classy and people respect it without making it cheap by saying "feel your lumps."

I was a teenager not so long ago. Hell, I play hockey every week with guys my age and a bit younger. From 18-25 mostly. I know how and what they think. If they were discussing this article in the locker room before a game, you can bet your ass cancer would not be the subject. They would be talking about how hot the cheerleaders were and making jokes about feeling their bumps for lumps. To me, it just seems like a mockery. Again, this is just my personal opinion.

I'm really sorry if this post is kind of rambling or doesn't make much sense. I'm a little out of it right now.

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 10:00:46 PM   
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I was a teenager not so long ago. Hell, I play hockey every week with guys my age and a bit younger. From 18-25 mostly. I know how and what they think. If they were discussing this article in the locker room before a game, you can bet your ass cancer would not be the subject. They would be talking about how hot the cheerleaders were and making jokes about feeling their bumps for lumps.


While, to a point, I agree with you ... these are the same guys who would be talking about how hot the cheerleaders are and how they'd like to "shake their pom-poms" and other such juvenile remarks if the cheerleaders are in the standard "cheer uniform" of almost nothing. 

As I said before, I don't see anything wrong with the shirts - my classmates wore far, far worse innuendos on their shirts when I was in school.  However, it's the administration's right to veto the shirts, even if I think they were over-reacting. 




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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 10:34:13 PM   
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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 10:34:48 PM   
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I was a teenager not so long ago. Hell, I play hockey every week with guys my age and a bit younger. From 18-25 mostly. I know how and what they think. If they were discussing this article in the locker room before a game, you can bet your ass cancer would not be the subject. They would be talking about how hot the cheerleaders were and making jokes about feeling their bumps for lumps.

As I said before, I don't see anything wrong with the shirts - my classmates wore far, far worse innuendos on their shirts when I was in school.  However, it's the administration's right to veto the shirts, even if I think they were over-reacting. 


I have nothing wrong with innuendos at all. I find them quite funny. Double entendres and such. And I also have gone to school and seen people in public with far worse innuendos or messages on their shirts than this. My point is that when it applies to a serious disease that has killed and will claim other lives, it just seems wrong and cheap to me.

Otherwise, I love innuendos and all. I think they are immensely funny. It's just how serious cancer is that bothers me. And making a joke of it or an innuendo (double entendre) just seems like a classless and cheap way to make a point.

Again, this is just my personal opinion. Not trying to attack anyone or the cause one bit...

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RE: Breast Cancer T-Shirts for Cheerleaders - 10/16/2011 10:43:56 PM   
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Yeah, no guy will say in that locker room... "Damn I'd feel for Julie's lumps."






Pretty much. Julie would receive several breast examines. And cancer would not be on the checklist... I hear enough bullsihit in the locker room a couple times a week. I can't imagine what this subject would do.

Keep in mind that some of these guys are older than I am too. Most are 18-25. But we have a couple +30 and 40 year-olds on the team who'd be making the same jokes.... Age has nothing to do with anything. That is one of the lessons I've had to "unlearn" and relearn as a teen and young adult. I found it quite disheartening and disturbing as I was taught to alway respect my elders. But it's hard to respect someone who is 20 years older than you and has the mentality or maturity of someone 20 years younger than you....

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