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Sanity -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:16:10 PM)


Thats the Al Gore crowd


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Hillwilliam -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:24:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity



Seriously though, "we" and everyone else are researching the hell out of alternative energy, why are you spreading the lie that we arent



And Perry apparently wants to cut that out. Are you in favor of that?

I'm not for continuing with Obama but I'm definitely 100% AGAINST Perry to the point I would vote Obama if he won the nomination. (fortunately, I think we can forget about a Bachman candidacy).




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:33:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


And Perry apparently wants to cut that out. Are you in favor of that?




Uhhhh. no he doesnt.

"Renewables: Accelerate the development and deployment of promising renewable energy technologies through the extension and expansion of state and federal production tax credits. "

One of the reasons to vote against Perry is that he is not in favor of cutting out subsidies.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:36:05 PM)

" reshape subsidies and tax credits for different parts of the energy industry, in what appears would be a move away from renewable energy. "


Quote from the original article wilbur.

Yes, he apparently is wanting to cut research into alternative energy because it hurts his buddies in the "AWWWWWWL BIDNESS"

Anyway, I was asking Sanity. Which one of you is the other's sock puppet?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:39:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

" reshape subsidies and tax credits for different parts of the energy industry, in what appears would be a move away from renewable energy. "


Quote from the original article wilbur.

Yes, he apparently is wanting to cut research into alternative energy because it hurts his buddies in the "AWWWWWWL BIDNESS"


Someones interpretation of "what appears to be" doesnt override his stated policy. sorry.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:40:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

" reshape subsidies and tax credits for different parts of the energy industry, in what appears would be a move away from renewable energy. "


Quote from the original article wilbur.

Yes, he apparently is wanting to cut research into alternative energy because it hurts his buddies in the "AWWWWWWL BIDNESS"


Someones interpretation of "what appears to be" doesnt override his stated policy. sorry.

Post the whole policy. Where is it? All I see is someting that is in quotes anat isn't attributed to anyting but your imagination.




slvemike4u -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:45:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


We just gave half a billion to Solyandra, what else do you want

Seriously though, "we" and everyone else are researching the hell out of alternative energy, why are you spreading the lie that we arent

"We" started a huge program to make poor peoples foodstuffs into ethanol on a mass scale for example, while outlawing the recovery of fuel that we could just pump right out of the ground...

People here in the US and around the globe are getting hungrier because of increased costs of the fuel thats required to grow, process and distribute food. Food inflation is really hurting a lot of people and all leftists can think about is their Al Gore cult



The money that we gave to Solyandra....lol,The resources devoted to alternative fuels pales in comparison to the resources ,tax breaks and subsidies funneled to big oil.....all of which serves to drive down the actual price of oil( where have I heard that government should jot be picking winners and losers in the market place ?...something about the true nature of the free market ?).




jlf1961 -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:52:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Again, you are full of shit.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Thats either ignorance or a blatant lie, as Canadas shale oil reserves are staggering.

Too bad the Obama administration is dragging its feet on the proposed pipelinethat could lower our gasoline prices and help our economy take off again

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

What the republicans like Sanity seem to ignore is the fact that at projected usage that known oil reserves will run out in about 40 years. 






Uh, that number is from BP.  Try again Sanity.  Denial is not a river in Egypt.




BP's Statistical Review of World Energy, published yesterday, appears to show that the world still has enough "proven" reserves to provide 40 years of consumption at current rates. The assessment, based on officially reported figures, has once again pushed back the estimate of when the world will run dry.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/world-oil-supplies-are-set-to-run-out-faster-than-expected-warn-scientists-453068.html





slvemike4u -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/15/2011 7:55:09 PM)

Does that take into account the rising needs of new emerging(explosively so) economies?




Sanity -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 10:30:32 AM)


"published yesterday"? [sm=rofl.gif]

The date your own source was published:

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Thursday, 14 June 2007


Look into the massive discoveries since 2007. Especially consider shale reserves, and most especially the reserves in Canadian tar sands...




Hillwilliam -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 10:40:44 AM)

Umm Sanity. The Athabasca Tar sands were discovered in 1719. Hardly new.




Sanity -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 10:54:31 AM)


The means and the wherewithal to survey the amount of petroleum they hold and recover said oil is new.

A lot of other such previously ignored oil resources are also coming online.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 11:34:25 AM)

By the way, the "Tar Sands" petroleum is bitumen which is the lowest grade of petroleum. It makes really good road pavement but for use as fuel it needs a LOT of refining on site to be able to put it in a pipeline instead of on a conveyor belt.

Not all petroleum is created alike.




jlf1961 -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 1:04:32 PM)

15,389 Days to the end of oil, or 42 years, 1 month and 22 days.

http://www.worldometers.info/

http://www.eia.gov/international/reserves.html

The United States has the largest known deposits of oil shale in the world, according to the Bureau of Land Management and holds an estimated 2.175 trillion barrels (345.8 km3) of potentially recoverable oil  Oil shale does not actually contain oil, but a waxy oil precursor known as kerogen. There is no significant commercial production of oil from oil shale in the United States.

The crude bitumen contained in the Canadian oil sands is described by Canadian authorities as "petroleum that exists in the semi-solid or solid phase in natural deposits.
Bitumen is a thick, sticky form of crude oil, so heavy and viscous (thick) that it will not flow unless heated or diluted with lighter hydrocarbons. At room temperature, it is much like cold molasses".

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Bituminous sands are a major source of unconventional oil. Conventional crude oil is normally extracted from the ground by drilling oil wells into a petroleum reservoir, allowing oil to flow into them under natural reservoir pressures, although artificial lift and techniques such as water flooding and gas injection are usually required to maintain production as reservoir pressure drops toward the end of a field's life. Because extra-heavy oil and bitumen flow very slowly, if at all, toward producing wells under normal reservoir conditions, the sands must be extracted by strip mining or the oil made to flow into wells by in situ techniques, which reduce the viscosity by injecting steam, solvents, and/or hot air into the sands. These processes can use more water and require larger amounts of energy than conventional oil extraction, although many conventional oil fields also require large amounts of water and energy to achieve good rates of production. This is because heavy crude feedstock needs pre-processing before it is fit for conventional refineries. This pre-processing is called 'upgrading', the key components of which are as follows:
  1. removal of water, sand, physical waste, and lighter products
  2. catalytic purification by hydrodemetallisation (HDM), hydrodesulfurization (HDS) and hydrodenitrogenation (HDN)
  3. hydrogenation through carbon rejection or catalytic hydrocracking (HCR)
As carbon rejection is very inefficient and wasteful in most cases, catalytic hydrocracking is preferred in most cases. All these processes take large amounts of energy and water, while emitting more carbon dioxide than conventional oil. Catalytic purification and hydrocracking are together known as hydroprocessing. The big challenge in hydroprocessing is to deal with the impurities found in heavy crude, as they poison the catalysts over time. Many efforts have been made to deal with this to ensure high activity and long life of a catalyst. Catalyst materials and pore size distributions are key parameters that need to be optimized to deal with these challenge and this varies from place to place, depending on the kind of feedstock present. At the present time, only Canada has a large-scale commercial oil sands industry, though a small amount of oil from oil sands is produced in Venezuela. Because of increasing oil sands production, Canada has become the largest single supplier of oil and products to the United States. Oil sands now are the source of almost half of Canada's oil production, although due to the 2008 economic downturn work on new projects has been deferred, while Venezuelan production has been declining in recent years. Oil is not produced from oil sands on a significant level in other countries.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_sands


Yup, oil sands are the answer.  It costs more to recover, refine AND the refining process has far more pollution than normal oil refining.  In other words, it is going to RAISE the cost of gasoline and diesel at the pump.




SternSkipper -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 1:08:35 PM)

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Now who said that the Republicans care about the environment? This seems to be a Republican idea, dismantle the EPA and screw regulations dealing with pollution.


SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!!!
There's only one thing to do, since it's a public stining for anyone who recommends re-electing the President....
PeePants in 2012!!!





Sanity -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 1:39:04 PM)


That logical fallacy is called moving the goalposts

Originally you claimed there was no oil beyond forty years out...

Now its too expensive. [:D]

There is plentiful oil available for our energy needs well into the future, and it is economically feasible now.

Dig the new pipeline that hills "tar" will flow through with ease




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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Yup, oil sands are the answer.  It costs more to recover, refine AND the refining process has far more pollution than normal oil refining.  In other words, it is going to RAISE the cost of gasoline and diesel at the pump.





Hillwilliam -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 1:45:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


That logical fallacy is called moving the goalposts

Originally you claimed there was no oil beyond forty years out...

Now its too expensive. [:D]

There is plentiful oil available for our energy needs well into the future, and it is economically feasible now.

Dig the new pipeline that hills "tar" will flow through with ease




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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Yup, oil sands are the answer.  It costs more to recover, refine AND the refining process has far more pollution than normal oil refining.  In other words, it is going to RAISE the cost of gasoline and diesel at the pump.



You're showing your abject ignorance of physical chemistry once again.

Bitumen will not flow thru a pipeline without being refined on site initially. Your articles that you put up explain a lot of the very delicate and expensive process. If you had read them instead of just posting, you would know that.




Sanity -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 1:48:19 PM)


Point out where I wrote that it wouldnt be refined




Hillwilliam -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 1:59:56 PM)

Quote "Dig the new pipeline that Hill's 'tar' will flow thru with ease"Unquote

Unless your control of the English language is slipping badly, that sentence says the 'tar' will flow thru the pipeline. It will not unless it is at least partially refined on site first.
It should be edited though as you don't DIG pipelines. You construct them and then sometimes bury them.






LillyBoPeep -> RE: Perry Promises Increased Drilling and Decreased Regulation (10/16/2011 2:02:23 PM)

they want to send this pipeline through Nebraska. we don't want it here. 




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