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http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/16/world/africa/kenya-somalia/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Somalia is clearly run by Al-Shabaab extremists as opposed to a central government. They bombed Kenya (no idea why), and Kenya is invading Somalia in response.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/16/world/africa/kenya-somalia/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Somalia is clearly run by Al-Shabaab extremists as opposed to a central government.  They bombed Kenya (no idea why), and Kenya is invading Somalia in response.

To me, it's a good thing.  Somalia has been a hotbed of Muslim unrest and has been using piracy as its main industry.

And, yes, in a display of modern journalistic incompetence, the article used "evoking" instead of "invoking".

Obama's been handed a gift in that regime change may take place without the US spending lives and money.

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The Land of Punt is a European made mess.

After holding off everyone from the Arab conquistadors to the Portuguese,  Spanish and Dutch for a thousand years, they fell to a combination of Mussolini fascists  and the British Empire in league, indeed the first country to enjoy a blitz and a modern naval bombardment of it's cites was Somalia.

Then, after destroying their government,  when the EU found there was nothing worth stealing they waltzed out the door, leaving the place and its infrastructure, much of which, like it's irrigation system had been in place since the time of the pharaohs, in ruins.

Not happy with that the Europeans strip mined their coastal waters for fish and then used it as a dumping ground for radioactive wastes and other biohazards.

After this century of EU (primarily British and Italian) "improvements, it is no surprise they are now a bunch of knuckleheads.


History of Somalia

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

The Land of Punt is a European made mess.

After holding off everyone from the Arab conquistadors to the Portuguese,  Spanish and Dutch for a thousand years, they fell to a combination of Mussolini fascists  and the British Empire in league, indeed the first country to enjoy a blitz and a modern naval bombardment of it's cites was Somalia.

Then, after destroying their government,  when the EU found there was nothing worth stealing they waltzed out the door, leaving the place and its infrastructure, much of which, like it's irrigation system had been in place since the time of the pharaohs, in ruins.

Not happy with that the Europeans strip mined their coastal waters for fish and then used it as a dumping ground for radioactive wastes and other biohazards.

After this century of EU (primarily British and Italian) "improvements, it is no surprise they are now a bunch of knuckleheads.


History of Somalia

Revisionist history at its finest.

Britain was never in league with Mussolini. Italy invaded British Somaliland in 1940 and were kicked out by the British in 1941. British Somaliland became a protecterate through a series with the Sultan of the area in the 1880s. The war with the Dervish took place some twenty years later.

If you need to blame anyone for the current state of affairs, look towards Siad Barre and the nations that supported him.

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The British allowed almost all the Italians to stay, except for a few too risky for their security, and regularly employed them as civil servants and in the educated professions. The fact that 9 out of 10 of the Italians were loyal to Mussolini, and probably actively spying on the Italian Army's behalf during World War II, was tolerated due to Somalia's relative strategic irrelevance to the larger war effort. Indeed, considering that they were technically citizens of an enemy power, the British lent considerable leeway to the Italian residents, even allowing them to form their own political parties in direct competition with British authority.

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ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker

The Land of Punt is a European made mess.

After holding off everyone from the Arab conquistadors to the Portuguese,  Spanish and Dutch for a thousand years, they fell to a combination of Mussolini fascists  and the British Empire in league, indeed the first country to enjoy a blitz and a modern naval bombardment of it's cites was Somalia.

Then, after destroying their government,  when the EU found there was nothing worth stealing they waltzed out the door, leaving the place and its infrastructure, much of which, like it's irrigation system had been in place since the time of the pharaohs, in ruins.

Not happy with that the Europeans strip mined their coastal waters for fish and then used it as a dumping ground for radioactive wastes and other biohazards.

After this century of EU (primarily British and Italian) "improvements, it is no surprise they are now a bunch of knuckleheads.


History of Somalia

Revisionist history at its finest.

Britain was never in league with Mussolini. Italy invaded British Somaliland in 1940 and were kicked out by the British in 1941. British Somaliland became a protecterate through a series with the Sultan of the area in the 1880s. The war with the Dervish took place some twenty years later.

If you need to blame anyone for the current state of affairs, look towards Siad Barre and the nations that supported him.

Neither kind of thief (Italian or British)  belonged there in the first place. But it was mighty European  of you and Mussolini to divy the place, a sovereing nation, up between the two of you. (The Frogs got their cut.)

Kinda like how you divvied up the Middle East among yourselves after WW1.

As for your collusion, even during WW2 -

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The British allowed almost all the Italians to stay, except for a few too risky for their security, and regularly employed them as civil servants and in the educated professions. The fact that 9 out of 10 of the Italians were loyal to Mussolini, and probably actively spying on the Italian Army's behalf during World War II, was tolerated due to Somalia's relative strategic irrelevance to the larger war effort. Indeed, considering that they were technically citizens of an enemy power, the British lent considerable leeway to the Italian residents, even allowing them to form their own political parties in direct competition with British authority.

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More revisionism, short on fact, as per usual. Somalia was run along clan lines and never a centralised government when britian got involved there, just like India, and come to that, America.

British Somaliland became such originally due to trade treaties in the 1880s. Britian did with one Sultanate, Italy and France with others. If you think your quote shows collusion, you must be stupid. It just shows tolerance to the Italian civillian population left behind after Mussolini was defeated.

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In the late 19th century, after the Berlin conference, European powers began the Scramble for Africa, which inspired the Dervish leader Muhammad Abdullah Hassan to rally support from across the Horn of Africa and begin one of the longest colonial resistance wars ever. In several of his poems and speeches, Hassan emphasized that the British "have destroyed our religion and made our children their children" and that the Christian Ethiopians in league with the British were bent upon plundering the political and religious freedom of the Somali nation. He soon emerged as "a champion of his country's political and religious freedom, defending it against all Christian invaders." Hassan issued a religious ordinance that any Somali national who did not accept the goal of unity of Somalia and would not fight under his leadership would be considered as kafir or gaal.

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Like I said, check your facts. Hassan was a religious zealot, click on your own links and learn a little.

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I shall now go and flagellate myself harshly, open my veins to the blood gods and thrash myself for every year that has passed since my ancestors werent involved in the war in the africa.

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I shall now go and flagellate myself harshly, open my veins to the blood gods and thrash myself for every year that has passed since my ancestors werent involved in the war in the africa.

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Like I said, check your facts. Hassan was a religious zealot, click on your own links and learn a little.

And your point is what, again?

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After holding off everyone from the Arab conquistadors to the Portuguese, Spanish and Dutch for a thousand years, they fell to a combination of Mussolini fascists and the British Empire in league...

Revisionist history at its finest.

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After holding off everyone from the Arab conquistadors to the Portuguese, Spanish and Dutch for a thousand years, they fell to a combination of Mussolini fascists and the British Empire in league...

Revisionist history at its finest.

Revisionism at its finest? Surely you jest!

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Like I said, check your facts. Hassan was a religious zealot, click on your own links and learn a little.

And your point is what, again?

My point is, again, that you are making false claims, again.

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Sayyīd Muhammad `Abd Allāh al-Hasan (Somali: Sayid Maxamed Cabdille Xasan, Arabic: محمّد عبد اللّه حسّان‎) (April 7, 1856, in Buuhoodle northern Somalia – December 21, 1920 in Imi, Ogaden) was a Somali religious and patriotic leader. Referred to as the Mad Mullah by the British, he established the Dervish State in Somalia that fought an anti-imperial war for a period of over 20 years against British, Italian and Ethiopian forces.