FirstQuaker
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It was sarcasm aimed at your stupid comment about Euromeddling, but then you knew that.
If you say so.
So what do you think the place would be like if the Europeans hadn't spent 50 years trying to conquer and colonize the place?
Not quite Jurassic Park, more like Stone Age Park - about the same as the Americas would be.
The Somalis had a long term civilization, they were a couple notches up on anything we had here, even over the Inca and the Aztec. They ran a huge trading empire across the Indian Ocean for several thousand years, had their own small "pyramids" and had built a massive irrigation system which was destroyed during these wars.
They were able to fight off both the British Empire and the Italian military for a generation, and only were finally beaten when the Europeans brought modern bombers and bombed the place into the stone age, along with the Italian navy using it's battleships to shell everything coastal. There is still the wreckage of large cities in the place that are basically uninhabitable as their water supply was destroyed.
They had already whipped the Spanish, the Dutch, and the Portuguese, along with any Arab who thought to look their way.
People ask the wrong questions about those Somalian pirates. Did anyone here wonder what kind of seamen can take a small open boat a thousand miles offshore and rob modern vessels with hand weapons on a routine basis? That woudl be like me taking my rifle and a whale boat and sailing off to sucessfully rob Japanese, Russian and Chinese shipping on the other side of the Northern Pacific, or someone in a Bayliner, heading out from Cape Cod to rob shipping in the English Channel.
And the EU has fessed up to it's members strip mining their fisheries, and dumping all sorts and large amounts of medical, industrial and even apparently radioactive waste in their waters.
But now the place has been steeped in a hundred years of nothing but war. In many ways they make the Viet Cong look second string. Even the British Empire finally tossed in the towel.
And the UN trying to put some "touchy feely" bandaid on this is ludicrous. Until there is a way for at least a generation of Somalis to feed themselves and do productive things, you will see a group of hard core Muslim fundes running things, as that has been the back bone of their military machine and in large part their war leadership for over a hundred years.
And it is changing this culture, that needs to be done. I think it will have to be internal, as any external force or activity only entrenches it further.
Let every warlord claw out his own little fief and rule it for a generation, when they spend their time working on each other and their infrastructure for a generation instead of passing ships and their neighbors, things will start to calm down.
Places like Djibouti, Puntland, and Somaliland show that they can run a reasonably functional modern government locally if left to their own devices, it is getting these pockets of stability and sanity hooked back together into a national government that needs the work. The UN supported national government is a joke. they barely control most of their capitol.
< Message edited by FirstQuaker -- 10/19/2011 9:38:58 AM >
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