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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 1:58:28 PM   
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Do you have some sources for phoenician coins etc. found in New World archaeological sites?
I second that request, I would be very interested to read more about that.

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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 1:59:30 PM   
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So you have nothing that places Siberia as anything but "Russian"
Of course I don't, but then again why would I, I never said it wasn't, you just imagined that.

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or Carthage as anywhere but a suburb of Tunis (nowadays) which is in Africa.
Same answer as above, I never said that, so why would I try prove it.

Obviously, the subtlety of what I did say, which in all honesty were no more than the average 4th grader could have grasped was beyond you, so let me revise my earlier statement about education. Stick it out to grade 6, that alone will be an enormous leap for you.


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Not suprising, coming from an Ontario resident who claimed Ontario was not the largest province (in terms of population) in Canada, in another thread.
I suppose you can find that post on that thread there Dr. Parnassus? I am know for a fact that you can't because it never happened. I know which post on which thread you are referring to, and you have it wrong on every particular except that it had to do with Ontario, other than that you're just lying through your teeth again.

I don't know what podunk little town you grew up in, but here in the city, you have to do more than just act like you know what you're talking about before people will believe you, especially when you are so obviously full of shit. Buh bye FQ, do come back after you get through grade school.



So you admit Carthage is in Africa, and Siberia is a part of Russia.

Do you still think the Carthaginians were not Africans and the people in Eastern Russia are not Russians, or do we need to work on that some more?

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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 2:09:34 PM   
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So you admit Carthage is in Africa, and Siberia is a part of Russia.
I never said anything about either point, you are the only one ranting on about those details. As per your usual routine, you keep insisting people back up statements they never made, I suppose that is the only way you can win an argument. Now go back and read what was actually written, and try very hard to see where you have jumped to conclusions Dr. P.

Oh, and while we're at it, where is the link to that Ontario thread you referenced? Can't find it can you? Here's a hint, it had to do with the recent Ontario election and Lucy started it. Now run along and look for it, I, and the rest of the grown ups, will be here waiting for you.

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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 2:19:04 PM   
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Carthage was a Greek civilization not Phoenician.
I'm afraid you must have been sampling the national beverage a little early today DK. Carthage was indeed a Phoenician colony, that is why the Romans referred to them as "Punic".

And built temples to Apollo. Not a very Phoenician thing to do. The Carthaginian are frequently refered to as a Hellenistic society (ie. Greek).

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Also there is no credible evidence of cross atlantic trade prior to the Vikings founding Vinland.
No concrete evidence of a specific cross Atlantic connection, but, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest at least intermittent contact. And some crazy ideas to explain it as well, one suggesting it was all through Chinese middlemen. As far as it goes, I find it entirely plausible that Phoenicians did make it across the pond, they did sail beyond the Pillars of Hercules to trade for tin in Cornwall, and were known as the greatest mariners of their age. It is not at all unreasonable to assume some contact was made.


The odd Phoenician ship might have gotten blown off course but to get to the Americas and return? Without maps, or any knowledge of open ocean sailing? The Phoenicians were really good at trade in the calm and well mapped Med and could follow the European cost up to England but there is simply no way they had the ability to cross the Atlantic and return intentionally.

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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 2:19:34 PM   
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The second piece of evidence consists of a series of seven or eight copper coins found scattered across North America from Nebraska to Georgia to Connecticut. The coins have an image of a Punic horse, the Phoenician palm tree (uprooted as if to be transplanted) and an enigmatic inscription in the Punic Language. It seems unlikely that these coins were brought across the Atlantic in modern times, and if authentic they suggest a Carthaginian presence in ancient America.

Will likely get you started. Others have apparently been found in Brazil. If they are legitimate and how they arrived if so, is a question we don't have the technology to discover, yet, and which is discussed at length across numismatic and archeology forums.

Ditto for the Roman and Greek coins found in various places in the Americas (the Roman and Greek coinage was also used by others.) 

By themselves they do not prove the trading route existed, for wrecks of Phoenician and even Roman ship[s have been found in places like Bermuda, Brazil and elsewhere. However the tobacco and cocaine being found in Egypt and now apparently in the Sudan's mummies preserved during a certain time period is another story in conjunction with coins and other artifacts . . .

And the Phoenicians were the known seamen and traders of the time.

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 2:25:58 PM   
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Africans from Phoenicia
Phoenicia isn't in Africa.

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As did the Russians, we were trading with them when Columbus thought he discovered the place.
That's quite an accomplishment, seeing as the Russians hadn't crossed the Urals in 1492.


So you did not say this?

Carthage was the capital (as such) of Phoenician (Punic) people for a nice bit of time, especially after the Greeks sacked their Middle Eastern settlements, and you admit Siberia is a part of Russia.

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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 2:28:08 PM   
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Yeah I tought that was what you were going on about.

I recommend Willimas Fantastic Archaeology before getting too invested in that claptrap.

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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 2:28:25 PM   
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The odd Phoenician ship might have gotten blown off course but to get to the Americas and return? Without maps, or any knowledge of open ocean sailing? The Phoenicians were really good at trade in the calm and well mapped Med and could follow the European cost up to England but there is simply no way they had the ability to cross the Atlantic and return intentionally.



And doubtlessly loaded up a couple hundred years of tobacco and cocaine to take home and sell for a profit with him, while he was at this shipwreckery..

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 2:36:52 PM   
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Carthage was not in Phoenicia, specifically because Carthage was in Africa and Pheonicia isn't. That might just be why historians differentiate between Phoenicia and the Punic Empire.

Point to the cute chick.

Russians are an ethnic group, and they do not include the native Siberians.

Point to the cute chick

And you still haven't provided that Ontario population post you referred to. Can't do it can you?

Point, to the cute chick. That's game folks, the cute chick wins.

Thanks for watching folks, tune in again tomorrow when FQ attempts to debate his way out of a wet paper bag, it should be a close run thing.

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 2:41:30 PM   
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Carthage was not in Phoenicia, specifically because Carthage was in Africa and Pheonicia isn't. That might just be why historians differentiate between Phoenicia and the Punic Empire.

Point to the cute chick.

Russians are an ethnic group, and they do not include the native Siberians.

Point to the cute chick

And you still haven't provided that Ontario population post you referred to. Can't do it can you?

Point, to the cute chick. That's game folks, the cute chick wins.

Thanks for watching folks, tune in again tomorrow when FQ attempts to debate his way out of a wet paper bag, it should be a close run thing.

Now for a word from our sponsor.

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Canadians are an ethnic group which does not include the Natives of British Columbia?

And Carthage is not a part of the Phoenician "civilization?"

I see.

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 2:48:43 PM   
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Canadians are not an ethnic group, Russians are.

You didn't say Phoenician civilization or Phoenicians from Africa, you said Africans from Phoenicia, these are not the same thing.

You don't see anything.

Besides, I'm wearing really cute blue panties with a playboy bunny right on the sweet spot, so nobody is going to pay attention to you any more.

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 2:51:31 PM   
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Canadians are not an ethnic group, Russians are.

You didn't say Phoenician civilization or Phoenicians from Africa, you said Africans from Phoenicia, these are not the same thing.

You don't see anything.

Besides, I'm wearing really cute blue panties with a playboy bunny right on the sweet spot, so nobody is going to pay attention to you any more.



So when I see things like -

The English term Russians is also used to refer to the citizens of Russia, regardless of their ethnicity;

It is communist propaganda.

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 2:56:41 PM   
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As you span the aeons of the universe your point will come true.

Al Einstein said, the reason we invented time is so that everything doesnt happen at once.

Take some of this invented time, and see why putting carts before horses was given up soon after the Phoenecio-Russian-Tibetans discovered the cocaine wheel.

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 2:58:49 PM   
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As you span the aeons of the universe your point will come true.

Al Einstein said, the reason we invented time is so that everything doesnt happen at once.

Take some of this invented time, and see why putting carts before horses was given up soon after the Phoenecio-Russian-Tibetans discovered the cocaine wheel.


I think the Russians like their mushrooms better. And only the Tibetans really still seem to use the lotus.

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 2:59:38 PM   
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No, its just that they weren't "Russians" in that sense in 1492, when you said your people were trading with "the Russians". See, its not communist propaganda, its just you assuming that others are as limited intellectually as you are.

Now go away.


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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 3:01:56 PM   
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Hence my trying to invent some time for him. From point to point one can construct a rudimentary timeline. We then can make use of the concept of proper perspective.

Al Einstein also said, 'Time; as we understand it, does not flow from present to past.'



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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 3:12:41 PM   
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If only


so thats why


Change legislation, ban interracial marriages. But that wont stop the interracial children that God creates. If we kill them after they are born, its not abortion.

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RE: Racial foolishness - 10/18/2011 3:15:35 PM   
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No, its just that they weren't "Russians" in that sense in 1492, when you said your people were trading with "the Russians". See, its not communist propaganda, its just you assuming that others are as limited intellectually as you are.

Now go away.



If they came from Russia they were Russians.

Nobody apparently thought to determine just what kind of Russians they were.

Nobody thought to ask if the "British" showing up on the other coast were actually Scottish, Welsh or English either, or just what part of the UK, (which did not exist at the time either,)  they came from.

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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 3:36:39 PM   
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I could not give a flying shit about the racial make up of anyone. fuck this type of thread, fuck him for posting it.
Heather said take it as a joke, im gonna add a tasteless n ugly joke.n move on. meh




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RE: A.D. 2041—End of White America? - 10/18/2011 3:43:22 PM   
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Pat is far too optimistic on the timeline, in reallty 2015 Whites will be at about 50%, those of European Christian heritage that is...
You know I have to give credit to those who worked since 1880 for their achievement, no one would have believed it!!
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John Hope Franklin, the famed black historian at Duke University, once told the incoming freshmen, "The new America in the 21st century will be primarily non-white, a place George Washington would not recognize." In his June 1998 commencement address at Portland State, President Clinton affirmed it: "In a little more than 50 years, there will be no majority race in the United States." The graduates cheered. The Census Bureau has now fixed at 2041 the year when whites become a minority in a country where the Founding Fathers had restricted citizenship to "free white persons" of "good moral character."





Good !

Then hopefully in the future we will all become the same colour and we can file this skin colour superiority bullshit in the cesspit of humanity's greatest failings.

But if as the theory goes we all came out of Africa, where I believe even back then the weather was somewhat warm, our colour differences are only that because of where we migrated too, we adapted to the conditions prevailing, so perhaps in time we will all go back to what we started out as, at last, the great experiment over.

But then with climate change and all that, the world getting warmer, or colder or whatever it is fore casted to do, perhaps the skin colour will be that to survive in the conditions, darker skin is a protection against sun. Perhaps even nature is fully aware of what it is up to and will be changing the wildlife to cope with the change in conditions.

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