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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/21/2011 3:13:30 PM

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So you'd feel the same way if it was (say) a bunch of teabaggers tarring and feathering the Kenyan, or less hypothetically, a bunch of disgruntled Iraqis beheading an American war profiteer and bitchslapping his corpse all over Fallujah?

yea pretty much, why the fuck not? like i said that sort of shit turns me on. i'd fucking look.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/22/2011 12:42:10 AM

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I have purposely not looked and avoided looking at any of the graphic stuff available about Ghadaffi folded spindled or mutilated (not out of personal sympathy!!). I have never watched that poor US citizen who went to Iraq just looking for work get beheaded either.

I feel (FOR ME) deliberately searching for or looking at death by violence would harden me.

How about you? Would you care to say whether or not you have looked and your reasons?

I watched it on youtube 4 or 5 times and I wasn't the least bit "hardened" by it.
It did however "surprise" me that I didn't any feeling about him as the crowd bitch slapped him , pulled out his hair and covered with blood.
They said on the news that he was saying to the last, "what you're doing is a sin." What about what he did?
That's the sure sign of a sociopath and as for them they say they have no "souls" and I think that if and when someone is diagnosed as being a sociopath they should be removed from society and never see the light of day. As far as I'm concerned sociopaths aren't human beings and it shouldn't be a crime and certainly not a sin to kill one. They are evil creatures who are a danger to human beings and even psychiatrists will tell you that there is nothing to be done with them, that there is a part of their brain that just "isn't there" that makes the rest of us human.
And I (was) thinking; "we can watch this but not see the films of BinLaden getting wacked?" My only complaint was that they killed him too soon, they should have made it last for 4 or 5 hours.When you kill a sociopath don't you want them to feel at least one millionth of the pain that they caused others? I doubt that's even possible.
There was no problem with Mussolini and his mistress being hung up by their heels and displayed in public.
Watching those youtube flicks, I didn't feel any "gladness" by him being caught and killed, why would I as an American? It really had nothing to do with the U.S.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/22/2011 1:05:43 AM

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As far as our appetite for gore goes....we produce some of the most violent,graphic,bloody/guts filled films presently made.And I do beleive it hardens us and desensitizes us to violence,even if it`s faked in a movie or vid game.

I am sorry but I just have to ask this: Do you apply the same logic to BDSM? Rape fantasies, slave fantasies, etc.
Best regards.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/22/2011 6:26:53 AM

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For a while some friends and I used to play gross out tennis, sending each other the most disturbingly violent images on the net. Some of these looked like amateurish make up jobs, real gore often can. Some of these may have been fakes, a whole subculture which you can find if you're determined to. I would often view these through my fingers, then stare at them, then think 'so what' not sure I became hardened, bored more like.
The disturbing, or disappointing thing about Gadhaffi is not that he was a supposed sociopath, but that he WAS a human being, corrupted by power.
An old time despot, a throwback to biblical times. Cross him and you were taken out, accumulate any sort of following that might gain momentum, the same thing.
Watch young children playing together and sooner or later the dominant child has all the toys, all the candies and doles out summary violence whenever they don't get their own way.
We try to educate this out of them because it is anti social and if permitted to develop unchecked may see them have personality problems in later life.
It's the (in)human condition.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/22/2011 7:17:51 AM

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As far as our appetite for gore goes....we produce some of the most violent,graphic,bloody/guts filled films presently made.And I do beleive it hardens us and desensitizes us to violence,even if it`s faked in a movie or vid game.

I am sorry but I just have to ask this: Do you apply the same logic to BDSM? Rape fantasies, slave fantasies, etc.
Best regards.

Sad that Owner59 did not answer...

She probably thinks you've got her on ignore, dear.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/22/2011 7:20:18 AM

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So you'd feel the same way if it was (say) a bunch of teabaggers tarring and feathering the Kenyan, or less hypothetically, a bunch of disgruntled Iraqis beheading an American war profiteer and bitchslapping his corpse all over Fallujah?
yea pretty much, why the fuck not? like i said that sort of shit turns me on. i'd fucking look.

Fair enough.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/22/2011 7:23:42 AM

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They said on the news that he was saying to the last, "what you're doing is a sin." What about what he did?
That's the sure sign of a sociopath and as for them they say they have no "souls" and I think that if and when someone is diagnosed as being a sociopath they should be removed from society and never see the light of day. As far as I'm concerned sociopaths aren't human beings and it shouldn't be a crime and certainly not a sin to kill one. They are evil creatures who are a danger to human beings and even psychiatrists will tell you that there is nothing to be done with them, that there is a part of their brain that just "isn't there" that makes the rest of us human.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/22/2011 7:25:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
As far as our appetite for gore goes....we produce some of the most violent,graphic,bloody/guts filled films presently made.And I do beleive it hardens us and desensitizes us to violence,even if it`s faked in a movie or vid game.

I am sorry but I just have to ask this: Do you apply the same logic to BDSM? Rape fantasies, slave fantasies, etc.
Best regards.

Sad that Owner59 did not answer...

She probably thinks you've got her on ignore, dear.

Or she herself has kinganal on ignore.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/23/2011 1:53:43 AM

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For a while some friends and I used to play gross out tennis, sending each other the most disturbingly violent images on the net. Some of these looked like amateurish make up jobs, real gore often can. Some of these may have been fakes, a whole subculture which you can find if you're determined to. I would often view these through my fingers, then stare at them, then think 'so what' not sure I became hardened, bored more like.
The disturbing, or disappointing thing about Gadhaffi is not that he was a supposed sociopath, but that he WAS a human being, corrupted by power.
An old time despot, a throwback to biblical times. Cross him and you were taken out, accumulate any sort of following that might gain momentum, the same thing.
Watch young children playing together and sooner or later the dominant child has all the toys, all the candies and doles out summary violence whenever they don't get their own way.
We try to educate this out of them because it is anti social and if permitted to develop unchecked may see them have personality problems in later life.
It's the (in)human condition.

Mad, the psychiatrist I was talking to about that said that as far as sociopaths being "human" they are in the sense of "flesh and blood" but that's where it ends. And she said that the "high function" sociopaths, highly intelligent, are the most dangerous.
Look at Bernie Madoff and how many lives he ruined. Sociopaths remind me of that movie "West World" with Yul Brenner.
And no I'm not seeing a psychiatrist, she's my cousin.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/23/2011 7:06:38 AM

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http://www.npr.org/books/titles/139550918/a-first-rate-madness-uncovering-the-links-between-leadership-and-mental-illness

Reading this about Ghaddafi and mental illness reminded me of this book. I haven't read it yet, but want to.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/23/2011 5:28:17 PM

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Fair comment Popeye, but Gadhafi hasn't been subjected to close psychological analysis.
Much of his behaviour does appear beyond narcissistic, nearer a God complex. But it's conjecture.
Brandishing a scimitar on a rearing white stallion might look wanky to us, but it's the kind of thing that played well to his people.
Eliminating one's enemies, including the whole blood line has a long history in the region.
Saddam did it coldly, Gadhafi with a bit more fury.
We don't usually call Herod a sociopath these days. More like a cynical politician, an acolyte of the Romans who committed atrocities to retain power.
It's fair to say that at the least Gadhafi was a murdering bastard.
I have no moral problem with barely legal methods being used to remove such people.
How about taking out Robert Mugabi?

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/23/2011 5:55:44 PM

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Fair comment Popeye, but Gadhafi hasn't been subjected to close psychological analysis.
Much of his behaviour does appear beyond narcissistic, nearer a God complex. But it's conjecture.
Brandishing a scimitar on a rearing white stallion might look wanky to us, but it's the kind of thing that played well to his people.
Eliminating one's enemies, including the whole blood line has a long history in the region.
Saddam did it coldly, Gadhafi with a bit more fury.
We don't usually call Herod a sociopath these days. More like a cynical politician, an acolyte of the Romans who committed atrocities to retain power.
It's fair to say that at the least Gadhafi was a murdering bastard.
I have no moral problem with barely legal methods being used to remove such people.
How about taking out Robert Mugabi?

Mad, he was probably way beyond a sociopath if that's possible. You don't need to "test" him just look at his deeds.
All serial killers are sociopaths at least.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/24/2011 6:30:12 AM

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I don't like the term myself Popeye.
It is quite muddy and can include all sorts of personalty disorder.
Here's a link to a commonly held set of definitions.
'Arsehole' would be the short summation of the layman.
It includes a huge variety of problems, many people I know have a few of these, albeit not developed to the extreme.

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/24/2011 7:01:39 AM

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Well, the video was being promoted right there infront of me when I went online, so I looked.

I tend to take these things on a case by case basis. I am usually abhorred by mob violence but can make a few rare exceptions... Ghadaffi is one of them.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/24/2011 7:06:55 AM

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Just thought I’d toss this in for the fun of it. A college professor of mine once explained the differences between a sociopath, a psychopath and a psychotic:

The sociopath stabs grandma in the back because she was standing in his way. The sociopath knows that society considers it wrong to stab your grandma in the back but he doesn’t give a shit. Come Thanksgiving the sociopath understands why grandma is not there to serve up the turkey… he just doesn’t give a shit.

The psychopath stabs grandma in the back because grandma refused to lend him five dollars. The psychopath knows that society considers it wrong to stab your grandma in the back but that doesn’t apply here… it was grandma’s fault, she provoked him. Come Thanksgiving the psychopath understands why grandma is not there to serve up the turkey but he already told you it was her fault, not his, and he really wishes that you’d GET OFF HIS FUCKING CASE ABOUT IT!

The psychotic stabs grandma in the back because grandma wasn’t really grandma… she was an evil android secret agent from planet X sent by the evil overlords of planet X to implant a silicon chip in his head so that the evil overlords of planet X could track his movements here on Earth. The psychotic knows that society considers it wrong to stab your grandma in the back but what has that to do with this? Surely it is not wrong to destroy evil android secret agents from planet X? Come Thanksgiving the psychotic understands why grandma isn’t there to serve up the turkey… typically the evil android secret agents from planet X kill the people they are replacing… but don’t worry… he has avenged grandma and will continue the fight against the evil overlords of planet X.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/24/2011 9:22:34 AM

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A cute line, but aren't sociopath and psychopath two terms (neither of which, I think is used in psychiatry any longer) for the same syndrome? It's now properly called antisocial behaviour disorder, I think. Sociopath is a term from the turn of the century, and this was supplanted, at least in psychiatry, by psychopath in the '40s.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/24/2011 11:53:35 AM

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A cute line, but aren't sociopath and psychopath two terms (neither of which, I think is used in psychiatry any longer) for the same syndrome? It's now properly called antisocial behaviour disorder, I think. Sociopath is a term from the turn of the century, and this was supplanted, at least in psychiatry, by psychopath in the '40s.

Meh. They're always changing their official definitions. When I was in school I was taught that (generally speaking) sociopaths were amoral, the ultimate in selfishness, everything was about them. Pyschopaths were similar but lacked impulse control and always blamed others. Psychotics lived in a different reality.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/24/2011 11:55:48 AM

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Fair enough.
The distinction with psychotics is right on the money, but the other two are different names for the same condition, neither of which is actually used by shrinks anymore.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/24/2011 12:13:27 PM

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Yes I looked, a few times, trying to sort out what I was seeing rather than accepting what was being said. Of course, you couldn't tell much because so much wasn't said, but implied, but as more video came out, you could see... somebody wasn't being honest.

I don't mind looking at real life events/horrors. I don't like to look and see them, but if they are happening, I want to see them. I don't want to turn away and not care or blind myself to what is really happening in this world.

What I don't like is the medias interpretation often times or those things that people are trying to do to promote fund raising. I don't get hardened to life and what goes on... I get hardened to the media and fund raising. The funds are needed. I know, I was a fund raiser, but I did it a bit differently. I didn't have my token few, looking sad, dirty and in a bad situation and then present them as happy because they got a sponsor... such as in places that there is a great need. Don't set it up. It can speak for itself. Don't tell me what to make of it, how to feel about it and how to perceive it.

Just give me the real picture of real life... that I can handle even if gross and I am sickened... but set up a picture you want me to see... fuck you... I am hardened.

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RE: Did You Look...? - 10/24/2011 4:08:58 PM

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I just want to clarify when I asked the question I wasn't talking about ignoring the situation as a whole. I just wanted to know about looking at the graphic stuff rather than ignoring the news totally.

Lockit, I get what you mean about being manipulative with such imagery.

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