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FirstQuaker -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:03:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: FirstQuaker quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic dont put words in my mouth, or expect me to answer your questions, there have been more strawmen and illogical fallacies in your postings today without adding more you havent proven anything, just made a plonker of yourself, congrats. So you admire this Libyan adventure as one of Harper's better moves, and undoubtedly are proud a Canadian general was in charge of the thing. I said no strawmen..give it up, even clocks rare right twice a day. Which is ..something you should be aiming for Either you approve of Harper getting Canada into Libya or you don't.

mnottertail -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:05:04 PM)
Is Harper a sunni? Does his wife wear a burkha? Is there sharia law in Quebec?

FirstQuaker -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:08:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Is Harper a sunni? Does his wife wear a burkha? Is there sharia law in Quebec? Dunno, Maybe NATO should invade the place and sort the Frogs there out too while they are at it. There might be oil too . . .

mnottertail -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:09:12 PM)
Well what a thread starter for you then, hah?

FirstQuaker -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:21:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Well what a thread starter for you then, hah? So discussing regime change for the financial benefit of the EUrozone is uncomfortable for you when the Muslims in Libya by all appearances are replacing a modestly Islamic government with a radical/funde one as the result?

mnottertail -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:24:58 PM)
Not a bit, Im in it, both goddamn feet. Not uncomfortable talking with profoundly disturbed people, I used to work at a State Hospital. Its just that it hasnt anything to do with anything, start a thread. And there are 200 dead americans from 103 and a hella lotta fellers in Lockerbie don't buy your putrid bullshit...just for starters. And there are no appearances yet of some radical nothing.

Lucylastic -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:26:33 PM)
bloody hell,do you know how to do anything else [image]http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/blogimages/strawman2.jpg[/image]

slvemike4u -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:28:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 " We should not involve ourselves in foreign entanglements." - George Washington - Do you think old George had any salient advice on the buying and selling of slaves Pops ? Or more to the point...could you tell us just how long a journey it was back than when one sailed from the new world to the old world ? Now just in case any of that was to subtle for you old buddy...let us try this....the world has spun quite a few times since old George was chomping on his food with his wooden teeth.It has grown smaller( no pops,the world hasn't actually gotten small...calm down,I just mean this in a figurative way [:)]) we are all so much more interconnected.Isolationism was a silly policy when you were a glint in old popeye seniors eye....it is idiocy at this late date [8\|]

FirstQuaker -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:31:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Not a bit, Im in it, both goddamn feet. Not uncomfortable talking with profoundly disturbed people, I used to work at a State Hospital. Its just that it hasnt anything to do with anything, start a thread. And there are 200 dead americans from 103 and a hella lotta fellers in Lockerbie don't buy your putrid bullshit...just for starters. Yes, amazing how the British government under Tony Blair helped release then man they convicted for that. But since nobody yet either here or in any of the NATO countries has claimed this war in Libya was the result of Lockerbie, maybe you should start a thread exploring that end of the matter.

mnottertail -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:33:13 PM)
Why? Not a prob for me. Modesty notwithstanding. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12698562 Which of these bomb throwing burkha wearing radicals you wanna have a chin wag about? Whose the scarey guy?

FirstQuaker -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:35:30 PM)
@Lucylastic So Harper, the Frog's Hungarian Carpetbagger and Cameron are your champions in Libya? How does the reluctant Obama, who had to be dragged into the Libyan deal, really fit into this august company?

mnottertail -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 1:45:25 PM)
How does the reluctant Obama, who had to be dragged into the Libyan deal, really fit into this august company You are sadly misinformed on every aspect of this situation, please check your tinfoil at the door. Obama was in before nato came a callin..........we had a pissup about it here, you can get dates and times and constitutional and legal misunderstandings from anybody on the right on this site.

FirstQuaker -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 2:01:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail How does the reluctant Obama, who had to be dragged into the Libyan deal, really fit into this august company You are sadly misinformed, please check your tinfoil at the door. Obama was in before nato came a callin..........we had a pissup about it here, you can get dates and times and constitutional and legal misunderstandings from anybody on the right on this site. Sorry, the realpolitick is that the French and the British were the ringleaders this time. From the UN resolution brought by France and the UK, to France and the UK bringing it to the EU and then to NATO, the US and Canada have been the "Johnny come latelies" in this thing, at least a period of about two months behind the curve if the published chronology is correct. The USAsians and Canadians who support it are doing it from the back of the pack. Cynics suggest the US support is a "tit for tat" regarding continued NATO support in Afghanistan.

mnottertail -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 2:05:32 PM)
Yeah, the realpolitik of the thing before anyone was on board is that since france and britain had sold them the hardware, it was rather their problem to deal with it. While Britain and France were stepping up to the plate, we started in on the side. Canada sent a ship, US and UK started lobbing cruise missles. France and Britain (as they should have) started flying sorties. France UK and I dont remember who (it was three of em) proposed a un resolution to security council. ten voted for (plus those three) and CHINA AND RUSSIA abstained (which is the best they could have done, they wouldn't vote for it by their realpolitik, but neither voted against as permanent members, or it was all over right then and there) and caused some commotion here. Cuz we got the big ass at him anyhow. And we were in the neighborhood.

FirstQuaker -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 2:05:50 PM)
So you support the PC platform on Libya. Just admit you took the Tory plank up as your own on foreign policy.

popeye1250 -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 2:22:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 " We should not involve ourselves in foreign entanglements." - George Washington - Do you think old George had any salient advice on the buying and selling of slaves Pops ? Or more to the point...could you tell us just how long a journey it was back than when one sailed from the new world to the old world ? Now just in case any of that was to subtle for you old buddy...let us try this....the world has spun quite a few times since old George was chomping on his food with his wooden teeth.It has grown smaller( no pops,the world hasn't actually gotten small...calm down,I just mean this in a figurative way [:)]) we are all so much more interconnected.Isolationism was a silly policy when you were a glint in old popeye seniors eye....it is idiocy at this late date [8\|] Mike, yeah you're right, George Washington was full of shit. Given a choice of "isolationism" or "interventionism" I'd take "isolationism" anyday! Who wouldn't? In case you hadn't noticed our treasury doesn't exist anymore. We're $14 T in debt up from $4 T when that other "George" left office, you and mottertail's buddy. You two are sounding more and more like Republicans all the time.You two are taking the conservative side of issues now. Let's see here, we can fly from NYC to the Middle East in 12 hours or so,...so,.......that means we have to be "interventionist? (post hoc ergo proptor hoc) I didn't think anyone was trying to use that "argument" anymore full of holes as it is. Yeah, I'd MUCH rather spend $200 B on wars overseas and "foreign aid" that only gets stolen. Fuck all the homeless people right, dangerous bridges, bad roads, ancient sewer systems, that we pay our taxes to fix only the feds seem to always spend elsewhere. And there's that word "interconnected". Sure, we're "interconnected" but that doesn't mean we should be sending Troops all over the world to solve other countrie's problems. That's their jobs not ours. And you say that isolationism is "idiocy at this late date?" Then why not start a war with China? That'd be some real "interventionism" wouldn't it? In case you haven't read the papers in the last week, Oblunder is removing all troops from Iraq. And hopefully Afganistan will follow. Oh, plus the other 2 or 3 wars that he's gotten us into. You're "for"interventionism I'm against it. Now who is the "liberal" here? You sound like a Republican war hawk.

slvemike4u -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 2:30:07 PM)
Your argument is ,naturally,nothing but the presenting of a false dichotomy....there is,in case you didn't realize it, an awful big chasm between isolationism and interventionism. It is often referred to as the "middle road".....you being a world famous "independent" perhaps you could explore this option ?

mnottertail -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 2:33:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 In case you hadn't noticed our treasury doesn't exist anymore. We're $14 T in debt up from $4 T when that other "George" left office, you and mottertail's buddy. As usual you are wrong and ignorant, and W aint my buddy either you are wrong about that too. debt jan.20.2009 10,626,877,048,913.08 (Bush) debt oct.24.2011 14,939,232,547,985.08 (Obama) and a great deal of that is interest on the war and so on.... Try to use a fact even occasionally for starters. Say even once.

popeye1250 -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 3:14:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Your argument is ,naturally,nothing but the presenting of a false dichotomy....there is,in case you didn't realize it, an awful big chasm between isolationism and interventionism. It is often referred to as the "middle road".....you being a world famous "independent" perhaps you could explore this option ? Well thank you Barry Goldwater. And who refers to it as "the middle road?" It's right on the tip of my tongue! And your argument is spurious at best. You'd do better if you stuck to the topic instead of trying to attack me personally. When one does that they lose the argument.

mnottertail -> RE: New govt. in Libya based on sharia law. (10/24/2011 3:17:05 PM)
lol spurious is right, specious.....dude.

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