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errantgeek -> RE: Obama showing his backbone, finally? (10/25/2011 10:39:49 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Those in pain are they who are forced to resort to ad hominems because their argument is devoid of substance.
Senate rules have zero to do with this, enough Ds have sided with the Rs that the big O doesn't have the votes
In this scenario the hyperpartisan would be the president because he is going against the Senate majority
If you ignore the fact the "defeats handed to Obama" in the Senate were in reality cloture votes that failed to achieve the 60-vote requirement for passage, which cannot be achieved even if every Democrat on the floor voted in favor of ending debate, then you might have a point. Unfortunately, those "defeats" were cloture votes. Two democrats broke ranks and only two, and even if those two had voted in favor of ending debate, the measure still would not have passed. The only realistic "defeat" in this case is ancillary, given the Republicans can now filibuster these bills while they remain on the floor. The truth is the Democrats are behind Obama on this, they are the Senate majority, and the caucuses' voting record shows it.
Argumentum ad hominem is only fallacious when comments against the person are irrelevant to the debate. You are painfully ignorant of Senate rules and the history of the jobs bill to date, and that is absolutely relevant to the topic at hand.
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