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FirmhandKY -> RE: Current raid on Atlanta...another in Oakland (10/26/2011 9:20:30 PM)
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ORIGINAL: errantgeek
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
Has my point been made? [8D]
Why yes, I do have an opinion of the tea party. Thanks for pointing that out.
That changes the factual, and well-documented, basis of my opinion how? Or makes a plain-language truthful recitation of that basis denigrating and insulting? Seriously, if pointing out shit the tea party actually does is denigrating and insulting of its own merit, perhaps the problem isn't with me.
You are the problem.
You've just started posting, and you seem like - overall - a pretty smart guy.
But, no matter how you parse it, you are displaying a pretty common logical bias, and falling into black/white ideological thinking. I don't like purely ideological thinkers, because they are one of the biggest causes of human misery throughout history when in power, or if they support such people in power.
In other words, regardless of what you think, or what your position is, you are part of the problem, not the solution, as long as you fail to reach and think beyond your own biases.
I have biases, and I acknowledge them - or at least the ones that I identify, or that others identify for me. I've spent a lot of my life thinking about why I believe what I believe, and relentlessly testing it against reality, and by taking the opposite position and defending it.
It makes me more sure of myself in some things, but much less dogmatic and certain about my infallibility in most other things.
You are very sure about yourself. That's rarely a positive indication to me of someone that really has a clue.
Specific complaint I have about your position is:
1. You are lumping groups of people in a group and saying they are all the same is an indication of possible bigotry. Yes, you leave a (very) slight bit of room to attempt to show "not all", but that's a fig leaf (as I said, I don't think you are dumb).
2. You are attempting to remove the humanity of people with whom you disagree, therefore making them easier to hate, and helping to make them "objects" instead of people. That's generally the first step in justifying removing their rights, including the right to live.
If you wish to denigrate the TEA party, start a thread. If I have the time and interest, I may engage you, but it's not likely, as I've got a lot of things going on in my life over the next couple of weeks or so, and little time to waste in long, detailed explanations of life, philosophy, politics and everything.
I will say that the Occupy movement and the TEA party movement could be two of the best things that have happened (politically) in the US for a while, especially if they see and understand the commonalities of what they wish, rather than find the worst of the other and become mortal enemies. Which, unfortunately, what I really expect to happen.
Together, they could reshape the nation in fundamental ways. Opposing each other could just as easily result in both sides worst nightmare.
You are not a bridge between them. You are a facilitator of divisiveness between them, and therefore helping along pain, strife and destruction.
This is the basic issue I have with you, and your characterizations.
Firm
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