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Contentment -> Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 8:48:26 AM)

First, I love wikipedia. I get on a topic and just keep learning more and more, very interesting.

Recently I got onto the mental health stuff, in particular bi-polar, sadism and the new ones for DSM-V. Very interesting read.

First fun one, is that sadism isn't considered a mental illness anymore. They determined it was so common in males, that it wasn't viable as a mental illness. Very amusing. But then again, this is mental health, the minds that, at one point, thought PMS and homosexuality were just mental illnesses.

But for an illness like bi-polar, I imagine it would greatly impact the BDSM scene. Your mood switches from high confidence to a very low confidence, or at least a less confident persona - this would impact your ability to be dominant or submissive. A submissive with that much confidence, is probably not too submissive...Don't really know.

I suspect that listing them as a switch is probably not right either, but I wanted to know other people's thoughts on the subject.

PS: Not looking to make fun of the mentally ill. I enjoy my curiosity, and you can enjoy the conversation too, but try to keep it civil and non-discriminatory. Mental illness is super common and that needs to be kept in mind when posting on a public web site.



OsideGirl -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 8:53:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Contentment
A submissive with that much confidence, is probably not too submissive...Don't really know.
So, what you're saying is that someone who is very confident is not submissive and someone who lacks confidence is submissive.



DesFIP -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 8:54:00 AM)

If you're saying that only insecure people are submissive, then that's your first mistake.
Because that says that all submissive people are unhealthy. Do you really believe that?

I would suggest anyone who was thinking about getting into a relationship with you rethinks it, seriously.

You can be bipolar and submissive or bipolar and dominant. There's no causal relationship.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 8:57:13 AM)

You really should not depend on Wikipedia for all your information.



Contentment -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 8:58:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: Contentment
A submissive with that much confidence, is probably not too submissive...Don't really know.
So, what you're saying is that someone who is very confident is not submissive and someone who lacks confidence is submissive.


Not my intention at all. Though I do understand how you'd come to that conclusion from the above. Was having trouble describing the flux for a bi-polar, and decided on confidence. Wikipedia is pretty clear that the experience is different for most affected.

I just meant, that with fluxing moods/confidence/feelings, I imagine it would be hard to maintain a specific stance in the dominating or submitting role.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:01:54 AM)

Have you actually met anyone bipolar? Because it seems apparent that you have no clue about how bipolar disorder operates in real humans.

Please, find another hobby, or go to school.



Contentment -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:08:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Have you actually met anyone bipolar? Because it seems apparent that you have no clue about how bipolar disorder operates in real humans.

Please, find another hobby, or go to school.

Hmm...seems like no one wants to answer the question.

Yes I've met them, I know several, just not in the BDSM scene. Was cruising wikipedia and the question hit me.

Seems like a legit question, but if no one wants to answer, then don't reply. I don't post to offend, I post because I have a question or thought I want expressed. I thought this was pretty clear in the OP.

Just answer the question above, don't reply, or explain how the question above can't be answered. I hate these dodgy responses.



JanahX -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:09:32 AM)

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But for an illness like bi-polar, I imagine it would greatly impact the BDSM scene. Your mood switches from high confidence to a very low confidence, or at least a less confident persona - this would impact your ability to be dominant or submissive. A submissive with that much confidence, is probably not too submissive...Don't really know.

I suspect that listing them as a switch is probably not right either, but I wanted to know other people's thoughts on the subject.

PS: Not looking to make fun of the mentally ill. I enjoy my curiosity, and you can enjoy the conversation too, but try to keep it civil and non-discriminatory. Mental illness is super common and that needs to be kept in mind when posting on a public web site.


You sound like an idiot, that couldnt comprehend what youve read via WIKIPEDIA - (may I add the best medical journal out there when Doctors need reference to medical topics) ... and then trying to put your BDSM spin doctor on things.

Bi-polar confidence? High - confidence? Lo- confindence? Youre fucked up. Confidence has nothing to do with bi-polar disorder.

quote:

Seems like a legit question, but if no one wants to answer, then don't reply. I don't post to offend, I post because I have a question or thought I want expressed. I thought this was pretty clear in the OP.


Since your understanding of bi-polar and how you are describing it to fit a certain senerio is flawed, your question is NOT legit.

And by the way.. anyone can reply to this at anytime.



Contentment -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:09:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Contentment


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Have you actually met anyone bipolar? Because it seems apparent that you have no clue about how bipolar disorder operates in real humans.

Please, find another hobby, or go to school.

Hmm...seems like no one wants to answer the question.

Yes I've met them, I know several, just not in the BDSM scene. Was cruising wikipedia and the question hit me.

Seems like a legit question, but if no one wants to answer, then don't reply. I don't post to offend, I post because I have a question or thought I want expressed. I thought this was pretty clear in the OP.

Just (a) answer the question above, (b) Don't reply or (c) explain how the question above can't be answered. I hate these dodgy responses.




winspiritsbaby -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:11:34 AM)

~FR~
I think you have a bad understanding of bi-polar. I highly recommend you do a little more research away from wikipedia. When researching try to identify the differences between bi-polar I and bi-polar II.

An excellent place to get information would be through the data bases at your local library, more specifically, you should be looking at psychiatric journals.
Good luck with your learning.



Contentment -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:21:42 AM)

1, you guys are fucking idiots, and, 2, no one has answered the question, just commented about my understanding of the subject or about wikipedia being a bad site.

This is crap. I asked a question, one related to bdsm. It was a real question and I was looking for real answer. Perhaps my prelude wasn't perfect, but don't assume anything, just answer the question or don't reply.

I wouldn't derail one of your posts because I thought you were an idiot or had poor understanding on a subject, I would answer and try to keep the topic on topic.

EDIT: Seems all the posters above are now in a thread titled, "pissing contest." Suppose they don't represent a majority on this site - at least I hope not.

Ignore the references to wikipedia, that isn't my only source, it was just a poorly veiled question trying to be vague - worked a bit too well, it seems. I was testing the waters, seems like this site can't handle mental illness as a serious topic. Perhaps I'll ask again in a few months....



searching4mysir -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:27:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Contentment

1, you guys are fucking idiots, and, 2, no one has answered the question, just commented about my understanding of the subject or about wikipedia being a bad site.

This is crap. I asked a question, one related to bdsm. It was a real question and I was looking for real answer. Perhaps my prelude wasn't perfect, but don't assume anything, just answer the question or don't reply.

I wouldn't derail one of your posts because I thought you were an idiot or had poor understanding on a subject, I would answer and try to keep the topic on topic.





Oooh....the big bad dominant called internet strangers a name....oooh....scary


OK, now that that is out of my system....

no one answered your question (the way you wanted) because the question is invalid due to an invalid understanding of Bi-polar. If you REALLY wanted an answer (instead of people you don't know stroking your overinflated ego) then you would bother to do REAL research into the disease in order to gain a valid understanding of it before posting a question.



winspiritsbaby -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:31:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Contentment

First, I love wikipedia. I get on a topic and just keep learning more and more, very interesting.

Recently I got onto the mental health stuff, in particular bi-polar, sadism and the new ones for DSM-V. Very interesting read.

First fun one, is that sadism isn't considered a mental illness anymore. They determined it was so common in males, that it wasn't viable as a mental illness. Very amusing. But then again, this is mental health, the minds that, at one point, thought PMS and homosexuality were just mental illnesses.

But for an illness like bi-polar, I imagine it would greatly impact the BDSM scene. Your mood switches from high confidence to a very low confidence, or at least a less confident persona - this would impact your ability to be dominant or submissive. A submissive with that much confidence, is probably not too submissive...Don't really know.

I suspect that listing them as a switch is probably not right either, but I wanted to know other people's thoughts on the subject.
PS: Not looking to make fun of the mentally ill. I enjoy my curiosity, and you can enjoy the conversation too, but try to keep it civil and non-discriminatory. Mental illness is super common and that needs to be kept in mind when posting on a public web site.


Well since you asked, I can not give a valid opinion on the subject that you would understand if you do not understand bi-polar a little better, which is why I made my suggestion. I'm not an idiot as you have suggested, but I prefer to have conversations with people who have a decent understanding of the issue at hand. I've spent many years studying psychology (not near enough yet) and find it hard to discuss these things with someone who isn't educated on the subject. I don't get paid enough to take the time to reduce my thoughts down to what you can understand based on your knowledge of the subject. What I suggested was a way for you to get the answers you are seeking.



LillyBoPeep -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:32:43 AM)

i agree with winspirit -- check out some other sources besides wikipedia. it's difficult to answer and stay on topic when the topic has so very little understanding.
some people cycle rapidly, while others cycle over a longer period of time. bipolar disorder isn't a cookie cutter illness in which everyone behaves the same. so for some bipolar people, a scene would not be affected by their mood cycles, but for others, it might. i had one bipolar roommate who was friendly and cheerful the entire time i knew her. she had very long cycles and i never saw her in any of her other states.

anyway, submission is not about confidence or lack of it, so no, listing a bipolar person as a switch BECAUSE of the bipolar issue is not a suitable suggestion. in fact, it reeks of a lack of understanding of the illness and the motivations people have for submitting.

you can't make up a classification for something if you don't understand it to begin with.



GreedyTop -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:35:55 AM)

OP.. let me put it to you in simple terms...

usually, I am a fairly good natured, happy person. SOMETIMES, I am not.

my orientation within this kink realm does not change when the good natured happy person becomes the NOT so much good natured happy person.




HannahLynn -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:50:26 AM)

what exactly is the fucking question?

would being bi-polar make it difficult to be a dominant? well no fucking kidding, being bi-polar makes it difficult to be anything twatwaffle, that's sort of why they tend to try treat it, doncha know.

chirst's blood on toast, doesn't anybody think shit through before they fucking post anymore?



Contentment -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:55:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir


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ORIGINAL: Contentment

1, you guys are fucking idiots


Oooh....the big bad dominant called internet strangers a name....oooh....scary


OK, now that that is out of my system....

no one answered your question (the way you wanted) because the question is invalid due to an invalid understanding of Bi-polar.

But see, now I'm getting serious responses to the question, with less insults. I prefer not to swear/yell if it can be avoided. Apologies if I offended any.

Suppose the wikipedia reference was too common. I tried a veiled question, using a well-known source, like wikipedia, as a reference as opposed to a very specific quotation from people I know. This is pretty useful in conversation, but perhaps, I didn't express it in the thread well enough.

I'm fine looking like a stupid idiot (double negative intended) in an online site if I get my question answered.

The point was to gauge responses in case this site was generally bias against mental illness. Seems like people are defending mental health, so I'll go more specific.

I've got a friend that's schizo-affective. Bi-polar is similar, in the regards to the mood swings, but has other aspects I didn't want to get into due to their lack of relevance for my question (paranoia and such). Bi-polar 1 and 2 were not in my consideration because schizo-affective does not have these numbers, that was an oversight.

The mood swings, as described to me, are a change in confidence and perspective. In an upswing, it's like their confident and their outlook is optimistic. Everything works out. In a downswing, they mope around, having trouble staying on topic and generally feeling a lack of confidence, as their perspective has everything going wrong.

Confidence is the word they use most to describe it. They are withdrawn in a down swing, and outgoing in an upswing. They try to be outgoing in a downswing, but it just doesn't seem to work, so they withdrawn. In such a downswing, it is very difficult to see them as dominating, sort of a lost puppy. It's there in an upswing, an inspiring presence, dominant and in control.

So the question is, is my friend a dom or sub, or a switch, or something else?



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:56:48 AM)

Is your friend a dom or sub? HOW would we know that? Ask your friend! Whatever they identify as, is going to be the correct answer.



Contentment -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 9:57:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Is your friend a dom or sub? HOW would we know that? Ask your friend! Whatever they identify as, is going to be the correct answer.

Ah...thanks. Figures it would be something that simple.



twistedom -> RE: Specfic mental health questions in regards to BDSM? (10/26/2011 10:00:21 AM)

Another attacking session what a shocker



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