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xxblushesxx -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 2:03:28 AM)

You need to be more realistic. Date women your own age or just a bit younger. Everyone's heard of the half your age plus seven and it's horse hash. Yes, some guys are able to attract younger women, but unless you're rich like Hugh, charming like Johnnie Carson, or hung like...some guy that's really hung, it's probably not gonna happen for you.




kalikshama -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 5:19:45 AM)

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BTW, the local munches here are hopeless, and there are no local events that attract singles. It always seems to be subs with their doms, or single doms, but rarely do I see single subs.


So make a good impression on the people who are there and they will hook you up with their single friends, who may be too shy to attend.

Everyone has a right to their preferences, but if you insist on women more than 20 years younger, you are making things much more difficult for yourself. Perhaps Arpig will come along and weigh in on this.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 5:27:42 AM)

men aren't "entitled" to date women much younger than them (which is what you seem to be implying by saying "there's a rule for men") -- everyone's heard of that rule, and it's generally used to justify either sex dating a younger partner, not just for men.
that said, a lot of women do like older men, but for many, there's a limit.
at least now you're being honest about your age, and it's possible that if people perceive you as a dirty old man just going after young women, they won't introduce you to older yet wonderful women they know. just like you want younger women to be open to dating you, you need to be open to dating women your own age.
you're severely limiting yourself.

our community here is similar but opposite -- lots of couples looking for thirds, and single subs, but not a lot of single Doms. if your community isn't really helpful, try branching out into neighboring ones. go to events in other cities or nearby states. if you prefer sites, OkCupid has a pretty large kinky contingent, but some of them have profiles written in code, like "looking for old fashioned relationship" or something like that.




Tristan -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 5:45:08 AM)

As others already stated, you need to date closer to your age.  You might also try expanding your search by also using vanilla dating sites.  A submissive friend says stuff like "I'm not a vanilla girl anymore" in her vanilla profile to find dominant men, and she has been getting very good responses.  




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 6:15:46 AM)

First, let me welcome you to the discussion side of CM, Hawkdown.

As others have said, you are putting yourself at an extreme disadvantage in searching for females so much younger than you. Most especially since that age difference becomes an issue further down the road.

As far as lying about your age, dude, this is a biggie. The only way you are going to attract a partner of good mental and moral character is to be a person of good mental and moral character. Lying about something as important as your age is not displaying good character.

My take on your profile is that I smelled a distinct whiff of "older male wanting to buy younger female."  I would not included finances in your profile unless you *do* want to attract females that are drawn to that. Good luck on filtering out the ones of good moral character.

And yeah, I got that males like younger females with firm young flesh and nice tight bodies. You are my age, and yet it appears you are still focusing on the physical and superficial. You should know better.

Lastly, and I do not mean to be harsh by saying this, but many females don't like switch males, neither do they like short males. Nothing personal, but those two things (which really you cannot change) are strikes against you for some females.

Which means you really need to lead with your winning personality, excellent mental state, and good moral character. Women over the age of 40 tend to value these things highly.

Just my take on your situation, Hawkdown. YMMV and all that crap.







Kana -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 6:53:48 AM)

I'm taking the other tack. Frankly, as long as both parties are of the age of consent, I don't care how old you and she are. Just cuz something isn't my kink/bag/style, doesn't mean I can't give others the leeway to do what they like.
Either way, the whole thing is a tangent. It doesn't matter how old/young/whatever you are, although it may shrink your pool of, ahem, available talent. In the end, all that matters is that one person like you. And for that, how bout being awesome. Be real, no games, no chicanery. Let her see how awesome you are and make it easy for her to fall in love with you.
That simple.
It's worked wonders for me in my years here on CM.

Either that, or the OP may wanna revert to option J, or even better, sending prospective subs pics of his massive tallywhacker in the intro mail.






LafayetteLady -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 9:11:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hawkdown

OK, alright already....I corrected my age to reflect the truth. I still don't think it will make a difference. I can tell you that I am on other sites, and it doesn't seem to make a difference. Some of the women who have messaged me are older, but the ones who have initiated the contact are just not my cup of tea. Sad, but true in all of the cases. The ones who were closer to my age that I was attracted to didn't pan out, but I can count those on one hand....very few and far between.

There is an old rule for guys that many haven't heard about. It goes something like this....half our age, plus seven. So if he is 24, she would be around 19. If he was 40, she would be around 27. And for me, it's around 35. And of all the women I've dated or have been in relationships with, they were all under 35.

I agree with what many of you have wrote here, and thank you. There is plenty of good advice and opinions, and I respect each one of them. The reward thing I talked about was more of a stab at the extreme, and yes, I realize that if you have to offer a reward, it won't be for the right reasons for any relationship to get off the ground....BUT, (and there's always a butt!), I've tried everything on numerous sites, and what it comes down to is age, plain and simple.

Some people have told me..."go hang out at the store, you'll meet women there." I can just see myself hanging around the yogurt isle while security watches on camera. I've gone to Starbucks, been at numerous nightclubs, and in nearly one year, I've dated 8 different women of which 4 of them I had a relationship with. One of them was 21, and she actually really liked me...but cried one day when we were at the park sitting on a bench watching the children play. I knew what it was...she was thinking about how different I was as compared to the younger stallions who were immature, played video games all day, lived at home with their parents, and couldn't be trusted in a relationship. She saw what she liked in me, but she cried because I would be way too old by the time the kids would attain teen years. I suggested we see and psychologist to help us sort through our age dilemma, and it was the best thing...because I didn't want to hurt her or break it off. Instead, the shrink helped us come to an understanding on neutral ground, and if it were just discrete dating, that would be one thing. If it lead to marriage, that would be difficult because of the huge generation gap, peer pressure, friends, and family. But if lead to children, that would be unrealistic and very difficult for her, the kids, and everyone else in our lives. We mutually agreed to do the right thing, but at least she knows the difference and what a real relationship is all about. Yes, she knew how old I was - I told her the first night we met.

I guess I deserve a spanking for saying I was 48, but then again, what femdom would bother now. I think it would be an interesting twist to have a femdom in my life, although I think a switch scenario describes it better. I think many women enjoy the opportunity to turn their man on in their own way, and if he knows she gets into it once in a while (even though she is sub and he is dom) and enjoys the control; the tease; anything that she knows will drive him nuts for her, I think that's not only fair, but wise to let her experience it. It's healthy, and it's natural for many relationships to take turns and work on the other, yet it is also not natural nor feels comfortable to others. Either way, it's whatever both want to do.

Maybe 2012 will be a better year for me, but 2011 has been a huge disappointment. BTW, the local munches here are hopeless, and there are no local events that attract singles. It always seems to be subs with their doms, or single doms, but rarely do I see single subs. When I see single subs on fetlife, they are usually connected with "under the protection of", or something like that. A good percentage of the single subs don't always specify an age preference, so when I make contact, right away it's an issue....why not just say that in their profile, and I wouldn't bother. I hate that when I make contact and am polite, don't talk about sex at all, yet the first turn off mentioned is "your old enough to be my dad....go away." It's so immature not to put something in a profile with regard to preferences, only to have that person shoot you down like a rabid dog when you initiate a conversation.

Again, all these stupid games are a waste of time and immature, and yes, even 40 year old women have pulled this stunt on me, go figure.

Well, signing off for tonight...I'll check back later. Thanks again.



Look, I know this sounds harsh, but...stop trying to relive your mispent youth. You are pushing 60. You are either close to retired or retired already. All that freedom will TEMPORARILY attract a young girl, but you just aren't going to have much in common by way of life experience. Ever occur to you that is what is happening? The one constant in your failing relationships is YOU, so you need to look at how YOU can change what you are doing, and it doesn't start with complaints about games other people play. ESPECIALLY when you attempted to play such bullshit on these boards. Is that the problem with us gals your age? That when you try to be so "educational," we are a little more likely to be up on the history of what you are talking about and know it is bullshit? I immediately saw your post as some guy who thought he knew it all. Twenty somethings might find that attractive, but forty somethings want someone to share with (most of the time in my opinion), not someone who starts with the "when I was young..."

Look at what you are doing and how you can be more appealling to the right aged women, because right now, you are attracting the women that aren't going to be what you desire in the long run.

Oh yea, and the whole "rule about men?" Was something a guy said to justify dating a girl so much younger than him. Not a rule and not realistic unless, like someone else said, you are as rich as Hefner (nope), or as good looking as Connery and still have the charm of a prince (both of which you don't), the young ones are going to use you for short periods of time and then dump ya. Sorry.




DesFIP -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 10:39:54 AM)

Your profile says you're retired and want a woman who is also retired without small children. Yet you insist on dating women who cannot afford to quit working in midcareer and who most likely have children. You've set it up so you can't meet anyone. Why?

Because when you do something like this, to make it absolutely positive you cannot get a relationship, there's a reason. Usually it's because you're afraid of being hurt again so you prevent anyone from getting too close to you. Remember the only common denominator in all your relationships is you.

I suggest taking some time off from seeking while you explore your own psyche and figure out why you've set yourself up to fail, and deal with the underlying issues.




HisPossession513 -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 10:46:07 AM)

We were lucky. When we met, I kind of introduced light spanking/biting. It didn't progress from there while we were dating. Then we married. And he discovered deeper within himself that he had the desire to dominate. And I discovered that I had a desire to be dominated. Over the course of the past three years, we've explored more and more. Before we could progress, he dealt with deep feelings of shame because he was programmed that you don't do things like this. You don't "dominate women." It took him months to finally confess the "terrible things" he was thinking. I'm slowly learning to give up control. I was just recently collared.




HisPossession513 -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 10:50:13 AM)

SO glad my husband and I never heard that rule. :D I'm 44; he's 39. And I look way younger than he does. Usually get guessed in my late 20s, early 30s. Age really IS just a number. Don't automatically rule someone out because of a NUMBER. Especially if you're lonely. Best advice I can give.




straponprincess1 -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 11:46:35 AM)

I think you just have to be patient and open to meeting someone anywhere. It is not easy because just because someone might like the same fetish, it might not be to the degree you do. It can take a while but you will find what your looking for if you look hard enough.




hawkdown -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 12:38:58 PM)

More great advice and some well thought out opinions, thank you all. I have to say this again, only because I think it's relevant. There are women who want older men. I've met one and had a great time with her. It wasn't about money, there was true chemistry between us. My age doesn't reflect my personality nor my ability to communicate and have fun with men or women who are much younger. Part of the reason I am attracted to younger is their physical appearance...but I have met several women closer to my age who were smokin hot babes and I was attracted to them in the same way. The difference is that it has been much harder to find and meet potentials in my age scope who are at the very least a sexy and attractive looking woman to me. Julia Roberts...yes of course she is attractive, but that is so rare, I think I could find a needle in a haystack before that comes along...but wait...which also happens to be single, wants a man to take charge, wants to dance to hip hop and rock, wants to ride on a Sportster, wants to be or is submissive, and isn't into sewing, knitting, basket weaving, collecting dolls...etc, isn't so set in her successful maturity that she actually enjoys being an analyst, being critical, verbally wanting to get into it either to an excess or over something so insignificant as a carboard box (yes, that actually happened).

It's just naturally easier for the man to have someone in his life that has a younger outlook on life. I feel younger when I'm around younger and I do the things they do. I feel older when I'm around older. I feel healthy when I'm around healthy, and the opposite when I'm around someone who is not. With regard to obesity, to me it represents either a medical or mental disorder, and I am not attracted to it. No offense...some are and some not.

So when I sum it all up, younger is generally where I believe I will have a better chance at finding my next love, with all things considered.





littlewonder -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 12:50:59 PM)

obviously not. Hasn't worked for you yet.





hawkdown -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 1:11:10 PM)

LittleWonder, you're right, it hasn't worked for me yet. If I fail, or she fails, I try again. In numbers, like odds at the craps table, sooner or later we might just find each other. I am not necessarily saying she needs to be 23 either. There is one gal who is 40 that is absolutely gorgeous and smoking hot that I like, but she too likes younger guys and wants only to be a friend, which is fine by me. That's another thing I've found out....many women closer to my age are also looking for the younger tight bodies, well hung strappin lads that jump out with sexuality and style. Thing is, and this is no bullshit, whenever I am out, I seem to catch the glimpses of many women who turn to look at me....not once...but several times. I've got something that attracts those glimpses, but it's all the rest of it that enters into the game of chance. I work out at the gym, keep well toned, have tattoos, and am successful in my life and what I have achieved. I will share this scenario with all of you. The last woman I dated was a hot gal, age 35. She does have some sort of problem with drama. When she was with me, all she wanted to do is talk about her issues and problems with an x-boyfriend instead of focusing on us. She would even go so far as to use her cell phone to text him or call him and start another argument, and she couldn't care less about how that looked to me. So, I dismissed her and took her where she wanted to go...then blocked her calls. It's called STUPID, and it's something I will avoid.




OICU8Master -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 1:42:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

obviously not. Hasn't worked for you yet.


That could be said for every single person on earth.  Unless you're happily in a relationship that is lasting a lifetime, and very few are, then nothing has worked yet, has it?  Are you single?  Well, then, what good is your advice? It obviously "hasn't worked yet.".

See what I mean?




littlewonder -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 1:58:25 PM)

No I'm not single.

I learned from my mistakes

I didn't jump into one relationship after another and certainly not when I realized that I was dating the same type of man over and over again. I woke up and said "this obviously isn't working and that's not the type of men I should be dating...THIS is what I need in my life" and that's what I looked for.






LafayetteLady -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 1:58:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hawkdown

LittleWonder, you're right, it hasn't worked for me yet. If I fail, or she fails, I try again. In numbers, like odds at the craps table, sooner or later we might just find each other. I am not necessarily saying she needs to be 23 either. There is one gal who is 40 that is absolutely gorgeous and smoking hot that I like, but she too likes younger guys and wants only to be a friend, which is fine by me. That's another thing I've found out....many women closer to my age are also looking for the younger tight bodies, well hung strappin lads that jump out with sexuality and style. Thing is, and this is no bullshit, whenever I am out, I seem to catch the glimpses of many women who turn to look at me....not once...but several times. I've got something that attracts those glimpses, but it's all the rest of it that enters into the game of chance. I work out at the gym, keep well toned, have tattoos, and am successful in my life and what I have achieved. I will share this scenario with all of you. The last woman I dated was a hot gal, age 35. She does have some sort of problem with drama. When she was with me, all she wanted to do is talk about her issues and problems with an x-boyfriend instead of focusing on us. She would even go so far as to use her cell phone to text him or call him and start another argument, and she couldn't care less about how that looked to me. So, I dismissed her and took her where she wanted to go...then blocked her calls. It's called STUPID, and it's something I will avoid.


So nnow itis the woemn your age are also looking for the "young hot thing." Dude, you have more excuses than Carter has liver pills. You are hung up on a person's appearance, afraid of yourself getting old and trying to relive your youth. Good luck finding someone.

The 40 year old is actually young enough to be your daughter, so I would hazard the guess that regardless of how much you work out, your sagging old balls wouldn't turn her on.

You will find someone when you take your head out of your ass and start looking at the WOMAN, not the "smoking hot gals."




hawkdown -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 2:47:55 PM)

What's with LafayetteLady people? Is she always this emotional, critical, and rude?




MissImmortalPain -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 2:54:11 PM)

Excuses, excuses, excuses. I am a little shocked at this point that so many people here are still being so nice to you when you keep coming up with reasons to argue what they are pointing out to you. So I'm going to try something a little different. You can date women half you age(or younger) if you want to. The trick is having something to offer them and no I don't mean money. It doesn't matter if you can talk to kids it matters if they reallly feel they can talk to you. And I don't mean about football or video games or any of the everyday bull. I mean deep things. You have to understand how they communicate. And that includes women who talk about their exs. You said it makes you feel better when you are around them. I can understand that I don't "date" men that aren't at least ten years younger than I am. It is fun to hang around with people that don't see things the same way everyone else in your age group seems to. But there is a big difference I am guessing between you and myself. I have never lied to any of my boys about my age, my look, my love(or hate) of some of the things they do and don't do. I have read the things you have had to say here and they seem to me very much the way a young person would say something. That is not a plus for you communication skills. I read your profile(twice) and I still see the same things I saw before. Which are some pretty colourful flags that state how you talk a good game but are really just looking for something hot , shallow, and now. And don't take it as in insult by any means. If you never want to grow up....don't. If you never want to be in a real meaningful realationship....don't. If you can keep deluding yourself into believing that if you hang out with youngsters you will never grow old and die.....Do that(if it makes you happy) But don't ask others how to do it a different way in hopes they will give you some magical gift that will tell you how to trick someone a quarter of your age into believing you will be around when they hit fifty because likelyhood is that you won't be. I mean really, come on, even if you are still alive then we both know you won't care about a woman when she hits fifty.

*note for my personal safety on the boards* What is stated above is not a shot at anyone near, around, or over the age of 50. It is how I see the op's train of thought going.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/28/2011 3:09:21 PM)

This is not intended as a criticism of your preference, OP, so please don't take it that way.  But, while I am out of your age range now, I have certainly had the experience of dating people that were 10-30 years older than me.  I have also discussed this with my friends, who have had similar experiences.  Bottom line - we aren't interested in relationships with men where we are likely to be their nurse or their purse.  My hesitation with relationships with anyone more than a few years older than me is that there is a greater likelihood that I am either going to have to take care of them as they decline and/or support them when they are unable to work.  Not really what I, or most of the women I know, are looking for in a relationship.  Harsh, but true.

If finding someone in this age range is important to you, it is going to be tough doing so online.  They are going to look at your age and pass you by.  Lying about your age is not the answer, by the way, which I think has already been covered.  You are going to be better off meeting people at gyms, classes, sporting events or other places where you can show them that you are vigorous and youthful (if you are).  You are then going to have to convince them that they are not going to spend the best years of their life taking care of you.

Sorry in advance if anyone finds this offensive, but even if you do, it is no less true./




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