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lizi -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 9:42:02 AM)

One more thing Mr. Hawkdown. Did you realize that by your own little 'rule for guys' if you had the misfortune to be born a woman at your current listed age you should be seeking a 100 year old partner? Tell me how that would work for you...




Sherrr -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 1:12:45 PM)

Everyone has given very insightful input here. I think that Hawkdown is looking for young women for either or both of these reasons:

1. He is one of those guys that doesn't think he can attract or hang onto a woman his age, and he's probably right.

2. He's such a shallow prick that the slightest wrinkle or bit of cellulite sends him running.

He seems to want a lasting relationship. However, he keeps finding out that he has nothing to offer a half-plus-seven woman over the long term. Meanwhile, with each failed relationship he gets older and less attractive to the younger generation. This is quite the dilemma.




Sherrr -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 1:15:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lizi

One more thing Mr. Hawkdown. Did you realize that by your own little 'rule for guys' if you had the misfortune to be born a woman at your current listed age you should be seeking a 100 year old partner? Tell me how that would work for you...



No, no, no, lizi. These men think they are entitled to younger women, not the other way around. And we had better not be fat!




hawkdown -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 1:49:39 PM)

Lizi...I ain't trying to justify anything with that old rule. It's just something that some guys do while they are "still active physically and sexually" and have a few good years left to have great sex. There's lots of information on the net about "men dating younger women", and why that attracts them, and it comes from good sources. It's not just me....it's out there. Just today, I spent over an hour perusing just one dating site using a search. I tried 50-58 first, found one who looked fairly decent and had similar interests, but the faith thing wasn't compatible. Second, I dropped from 45-49...several had children, and again, of all these, I found one that I sent a message to. The last search was 35-44, and in that group I found one who I messaged. What I did notice in many of the searches is that some of the women had preferences down about 10 years up to about their age, maybe a bit more. Same concept as me, and yes, some of them were in the mid 50's. One woman was 54 and listed that she preferred men 30-52, so it is apparently the same concept or old rule that some still like, depending on the individual preferences.

Someone else in this thread commented on me "focusing on younger, attractive, and kinky." Nothing the matter with that in my book (my choice)...at least I am up front and although I agree it is harder to find, I already know that. I don't want a relationship with a woman who isn't sexy or kinky or knows when to keep quiet and be submissive, which is why I am so bold as to state what I am after. It's like USING A FILTER....good...those of you that didn't like it....it worked didn't it? No waste of time. And where in the hell does anyone get the idea that on "this site" or any other sex site...that because one states what their interests are and it talks directly about kink and sex - that it is or will be a turn off for many of these hot women? If that's the case...good...no waste of time once again. I am not going to make a profile on this sex site and talk about having tailgate parties, pic-nics in the park or walking along the beach at sunset. If the women (and men) are turned off in here based on that kind of reasoning...then there in the wrong fu**ing place and need to go to Disney World cuz they are wasting space and time in here.

As far as me saying I am a switch goes, and that in someone else's opinion, that is a turn off for women, HERE'S A FACT LADIES.... if you've had your man on his back and you teased him at length, then he switched with you to some extent didn't he? He let you take control and you probably enjoyed every minute of it - unless you're one of those women who want to hurry up and get it over with so you can lay on your back and let him do all the work to please you with your legs in the air! Any woman who doesn't know how to please her man for an extended period without being told to do it by her dom, or worse...doesn't like or want to do it at all cuz she has problems or excuses, would not be someone I would want, and probably most men wouldn't want either. I have been lol at the comment that I can't keep it up due to my age. All I can say is that I'll be up for awhile, like a few more years, and for the non-thinkers (can't see the trees in the forrest) that replied sarcastically - when the time does finally arrive where I can no longer be in any meaningful role to provide for her and keep her happy/satisfied with sex and everything else, she is free to make a change if she wants to. Nowhere did I make the claim that I would reach the age of 80 and expect to keep a 47 year old around, and nowhere did I say that the rule would apply to me using the rule for me to have a woman at age 100 so I could see what it would be like to date her using that "old rule" I first posted about men; although it was a good point to bring that analogy up because I left out the obvious. All I said was half my age plus seven, which right now (present time applies - duh) is 35-36. No worries, I can handle it just fine for now and already have...but not every relationship is perfect...so we just move on. I ain't shallow either...c'mon over to my place and we'll see who is shallow and who isn't...






lizi -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 1:53:44 PM)

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LillyBoPeep -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 2:07:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hawkdown

As far as me saying I am a switch goes, and that in someone else's opinion, that is a turn off for women, HERE'S A FACT LADIES.... if you've had your man on his back and you teased him at length, then he switched with you to some extent didn't he?


i don't really consider that switching. to me, a switch is someone who plays on both sides of the D/s and S&M fences. teasing during sex isn't the same thing at all. it's a tool for excitement, but to me, it is never about taking control away from him and switching.  so no, that is not a "fact."

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ORIGINAL: hawkdown
Nowhere did I make the claim that I would reach the age of 80 and expect to keep a 47 year old around, and nowhere did I say that the rule would apply to me using the rule for me to have a woman at age 100 so I could see what it would be like to date her using that "old rule" I first posted about men; although it was a good point to bring that analogy up because I left out the obvious.


you have said several times that you want a relationship with a younger woman that will be long-term or committed, something like that, right?  then yes you do expect to keep that much younger partner around, in spite of your aging. you will remain much older than that partner as time passes, and it's reasonable to suspect that you will decline as time passes, too.
of course, when a relationship is strong and people love each other, i don't think caretaking is really that big of a deal. a lot of people stay with partners who deteriorate due to age, illness, injury, whatever, but asking someone to accept the prospect of being a nurse in the future up front? well that's what they were getting at, and that's probably part of the reason why the younger women eventually leave you.
you are probably a nice, fun guy, but ultimately, in 20 years, you'll be 80 years old.
women can play around and have fun, too, and then go off on our merry way to seek out something more suitable for long-term goals, so the fact that you had sexual relationships with younger women doesn't really change anything as far as long term relationships go.

anyway, of course, you're well within your rights to look for whatever it is that you think will make you happy. you came here talking about how difficult it is for you to find a match and asking "best ways to find a keeper?" and some people have suggested that widening your scope might help you do that. by all means keep searching and maybe you will find someone who is right for you. May/December romances, particularly with older males and younger females, aren't terribly uncommon. but it also might help you to be a little realistic with what you really have to offer and think about what might be in store for the future.




Sherrr -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 2:25:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hawkdown

Nowhere did I make the claim that I would reach the age of 80 and expect to keep a 47 year old around



That's another problem. No woman wants to think that she'll give her prime years to some guy, only to be left single in her late 40's.




littlewonder -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 3:20:34 PM)

Good luck to you. You obviously didn't come here for advice.





lizi -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 4:56:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hawkdown

Lizi...I ain't trying to justify anything with that old rule. It's just something that some guys do while they are "still active physically and sexually" and have a few good years left to have great sex. There's lots of information on the net about "men dating younger women", and why that attracts them, and it comes from good sources. It's not just me....it's out there. Just today, I spent over an hour perusing just one dating site using a search. I tried 50-58 first, found one who looked fairly decent and had similar interests, but the faith thing wasn't compatible. Second, I dropped from 45-49...several had children, and again, of all these, I found one that I sent a message to. The last search was 35-44, and in that group I found one who I messaged. What I did notice in many of the searches is that some of the women had preferences down about 10 years up to about their age, maybe a bit more. Same concept as me, and yes, some of them were in the mid 50's. One woman was 54 and listed that she preferred men 30-52, so it is apparently the same concept or old rule that some still like, depending on the individual preferences.


Yes, people have preferences. I never said you were wrong for wanting the younger woman. If that is your desire then go find one.  It was the fact that you were having trouble with finding what you wanted that people were trying to help you with.

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Someone else in this thread commented on me "focusing on younger, attractive, and kinky." Nothing the matter with that in my book (my choice)...at least I am up front and although I agree it is harder to find, I already know that. I don't want a relationship with a woman who isn't sexy or kinky or knows when to keep quiet and be submissive, which is why I am so bold as to state what I am after. It's like USING A FILTER....good...those of you that didn't like it....it worked didn't it? No waste of time. And where in the hell does anyone get the idea that on "this site" or any other sex site...that because one states what their interests are and it talks directly about kink and sex - that it is or will be a turn off for many of these hot women? If that's the case...good...no waste of time once again. I am not going to make a profile on this sex site and talk about having tailgate parties, pic-nics in the park or walking along the beach at sunset. If the women (and men) are turned off in here based on that kind of reasoning...then there in the wrong fu**ing place and need to go to Disney World cuz they are wasting space and time in here.


Well hey, you are the one who said you couldn't find a woman to your liking. Women here told you what women like, but you go ahead and filter all you want by doing things that turn women off and you'll keep filtering out every woman around- which is what is happening. Yup, women on here don't always want to talk about sex and kink because it's damned easy to find. As a single woman, I can get laid just by getting up in the morning. If you didn't already know this, woman are harder to find on an adult site, there are tons more guys. Thought it might be helpful for women to maybe tell you what women find attractive, but you obviously know all that and are extremely successful to boot. Tell you what, when you write a woman from now in throw in a cock shot. Oh and guess what, this isn't a sex site, it's a social site. People use it for different things. Interesting that you think your definition applies to everyone.

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As far as me saying I am a switch goes, and that in someone else's opinion, that is a turn off for women, HERE'S A FACT LADIES.... if you've had your man on his back and you teased him at length, then he switched with you to some extent didn't he?

Being a switch is a major turnoff for many submissive women, which I thought was your targeted group. Don't take my word for it, start a thread asking or do a search on old ones. But hey, I forgot, you know all about us wimmens. Nothing we say seems to ever get through to you. This quality of yours is extremely unattractive. Btw, this is not what being a switch or switching is by any definition I've ever seen.

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He let you take control and you probably enjoyed every minute of it - unless you're one of those women who want to hurry up and get it over with so you can lay on your back and let him do all the work to please you with your legs in the air! Any woman who doesn't know how to please her man for an extended period without being told to do it by her dom, or worse...doesn't like or want to do it at all cuz she has problems or excuses, would not be someone I would want, and probably most men wouldn't want either.


So your correlation here is that if women don't want teasing and switching then they must be lousy lays is facetious. Nice to know that you are speaking for most men here about what you all want in the bedroom- I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

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I have been lol at the comment that I can't keep it up due to my age.


No one ever said this. I went through the entire thread and this comment does  not exist, show it to me. I made a couple of general comments about age and  a man's sexual performance as he gets older and how it would be a bad decision to match me up with a man who was much older, nothing directed at you. It is very telling that you are taking comments personally, can't keep your facts straight even with a written record here, and are also falsifying from what others write. 

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All I can say is that I'll be up for awhile, like a few more years, and for the non-thinkers (can't see the trees in the forrest) that replied sarcastically - when the time does finally arrive where I can no longer be in any meaningful role to provide for her and keep her happy/satisfied with sex and everything else, she is free to make a change if she wants to. Nowhere did I make the claim that I would reach the age of 80 and expect to keep a 47 year old around, and nowhere did I say that the rule would apply to me using the rule for me to have a woman at age 100 so I could see what it would be like to date her using that "old rule" I first posted about men; although it was a good point to bring that analogy up because I left out the obvious. All I said was half my age plus seven, which right now (present time applies - duh) is 35-36. No worries, I can handle it just fine for now and already have...but not every relationship is perfect...so we just move on.

Whoever the non thinkers were that replied sarcastically I didnt see that either. I see a lot of people who have tried to give you their time and a discussion. You are the one who is extrapolating personal slander and inferences from what was written, funny thing is - we can all go back and read it for ourselves. Also, anyone looking at your profile can see what you've written here in the forums. Your attitude renders you far more unattractive than your age ever did. You are still trying to justify looking for a younger woman by this crap rule, no one really cares about that except for yourself. Knock yourself out looking for whatever you want. There were suggestions that you might find a woman if you'd widen your perimeters, but actually I don't think it's possible.

quote:

I ain't shallow either...c'mon over to my place and we'll see who is shallow and who isn't...


Whatever this means is something I'd never choose to find out. I can do so much better...not because of your age, looks, whatever the hell else you'll throw in there, but because you're a small-minded person with narrow attitudes and views.




risktaker9 -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/29/2011 7:15:24 PM)

OP, you really don't make much sense and actually that could be part of your problem. You don't have great reading comprehension or communication skill. The best I can figure out is that you aren't having much luck finding someone which happens, but then you are being incredibly defensive about everything that was said as well. It's been pointed out several times that you don't really want to discuss this lack of success or possibly learn anything- you seem to think you know everything already. Not sure why you are here then.

So when you're 80 you plan on letting your no longer young woman go to be free to find someone else? Is this like the catch and release program? You seem to be all about yourself, I bet this is why the lack of luck more than anything.




Arpig -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/30/2011 7:06:16 AM)

quote:

Perhaps Arpig will come along and weigh in on this
Hey! Recognition at last!!!!

Hey there hawkdown, the reason KK mentioned me dropping by to comment is because I am the resident dirty old man and cradle robber on these boards. Like you I have a taste for younger women, but I usually chase them in the 18 - 25 range.

So first of all...that half your age + 7 rule you mentioned. Its supposed to be the minimum age you date, not the maximum.

Second, KK is right. You are limiting your talent pool enormously by chasing the young stuff. There just is NOT that many girls in their 20s (or even early 30s) who want to bang an old fart. Don't get me wrong they exist, in numbers far greater than I ever suspected, but they are still a ridiculously small minority. Now of that tiny number of old man fetishists, the number who want an actual relationship with one of us without needing substantial wealth are themselves a ridiculously small minority. Most will want a fling, maybe two, maybe if you're really lucky a few rolls in the hay, but that's it. They have a particular itch they want scratched. They have an Electra complex, or a pedo victim fantasy, or just a desire for the humiliation of being fucked by some ugly old man. you know, they are effectively slumming.

If you like them young, then go for it, they are hot, tight, and adventurous as Hell. But don't kid yourself that there are hordes of them out there just waiting for you to come along and scoop them up. There are very few of them, and they are in great demand. For every girl into old men, there are 1000 or more old pervs hoping to get lucky, and a lot of them will have a lot more to offer than you do. Think Trophy Wife. If you want to snag a young thing, then you need to capitalize on your strengths, you need to figure out what your niche is. Figure out what variety of old man fetish would you appeal to and play to those strengths.

There's a whole bag of tricks you can use to increase your odds of success, but in the final analysis it doesn't really matter what you do, or how skilled your approach, you're not going to get anywhere unless she's got some sort of old man fantasy to begin with. You are looking for a very specific type of woman with very specific, and relatively uncommon fantasies/fetishes that they are very often reluctant to even admit to themselves.

Good luck there dude, but you had best be a patient fellow, and prepared to strike out far more often than you score, and to take a lot of flack over your preference.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/30/2011 4:09:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

No idea what that has to do with anything, Lookie, but thanks for the . . . errrr . . . insight.


Not a problem...I'm here for everyone...not just you.





hawkdown -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/30/2011 4:36:23 PM)

Got it Arpig, and thanks for jumping here. I have a possibility already...not from this site...she is 39 and just messaged me. We'll see. BTW, I get messages all the time from the Mrs. Doubtfire types...and it scares the beejezus out of me. There at least has to be some chemistry between a couple...and part of the make-up for that recipe is one's attraction to the significant other. Yes, I know, attraction can be to most anything, but if you ever watched Gabriel Iglasias do his Fluffy stand-up comedy... he sums it up in 3 words...  "OH - HELL NO".




HisPossession513 -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/31/2011 6:53:13 AM)

Hawk...in regards to your comments about dating sites and "age ranges," it appears that people aren't focusing in on ONE age (younger or older) if they give a range of 10 years on either side. It implies, instead, that these people (unlike you) realize that age isn't the most important factor in a relationship and are open to the idea that they could fall in love with the PERSON, not how old they are. My husband and I found each other on a dating site. If he or I had kept to a narrow search regarding age, we wouldn't have found each other as I was over 40. We also, however, kept our minds open to distance. We were 100 miles apart. We should have never found each other. But we did because we didnt' limit ourselves. There's nothing wrong with liking younger women. I prefer men my age or younger. But I never closed myself off from the idea that love could come in the form of an older man.




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (10/31/2011 11:14:34 PM)

It's pretty well all been said.  Take it or leave it, and apparently you don't want to take it.  The only comment I have to make is about a journal entry you made that you're getting so many much more views of your profile since you started this thread.  Believe me, it has nothing to do with "wanting' you, it's something we, as posters sometimes like to check to match against what you've posted.  So don't take it as making you "hot stuff" take it as curious people who look at others profiles when a thread such as yours is started.  Nothing more, nothing less.  You're reading too much into it, which goes to show your reasoning skills aren't all that great.




hawkdown -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (11/1/2011 8:20:20 AM)

Tiggers, why are you reading into it? I am only impressed with more profile views generated because of this thread. That's all I said. I am not saying I am "hot stuff" or that anyone is "wanting you", that's you talking. What it means is just like you said....if you're posting in a thread, you get viewers who look at it (not because they think someone is hot - I never said that) it was just them wanting to see what it said. The point is this. Posting in a thread does generate more profile views, that's it - nothing else to read into it, just a simple thing, not trying to brag about myself or anything.

I suppose someone else is going to come along now and accuse me of doing that only for that reason.

I have read and appreciated most of the responses in here. What pissed me off is the way in which some users selected their wording intentionally. It started with my age posted, then went on to "sagging balls", or "I'm not listening", or something else. When that started, it kept fueling stronger vibes.






hawkdown -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (11/1/2011 12:25:36 PM)

I changed my profile. Thanks for the sincere advice - NOT THE SARCASTIC REMARKS.




kalikshama -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (11/1/2011 12:35:23 PM)

Great rewrite!

Please rethink the use of your ex's pic, though.




LillyBoPeep -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (11/1/2011 12:36:01 PM)

your new profile is very nicely written. :) 




hawkdown -> RE: Assertive - Taking One - Control (11/1/2011 2:49:27 PM)

Thank you for the most recemt kind replies.




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