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Arpig -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 1:06:49 PM)

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Does the genuine cm population agree with me that some steps should be taken to stop profiles which fit into the above categories being allowed on cm?
No. The genuine CM population is far doesn't give a crap whether some brain-dead guy gets fleeced for being stupid enough to send money to a picture. If it wasn't the "domme" on CM it would be somebody else, the sorts of people who fall for that scam will fall for just about any scam...a fool and his money




SailingBum -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 1:07:59 PM)

After all in my very next post I agreed that some "may" get pleasure. Weather they derive pleasure has no bearing the fact that they get paid. Ergo they should pay to advertise to be listed just like the rest of the advertisers. You have to help me out here... What part of any of my posting was I unclear?

BadOne



obsequence -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 1:35:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

After all in my very next post I agreed that some "may" get pleasure. Weather they derive pleasure has no bearing the fact that they get paid. Ergo they should pay to advertise to be listed just like the rest of the advertisers. You have to help me out here... What part of any of my posting was I unclear?

BadOne


I'm mostly unclear on how you've come to the conclusion that someone's interest in financial domination somehow puts their kink into a different category than yours.  Selling material goods and "getting paid" in the course of dominating someone are completely different situations; it is important to realize there are men (and women, ostensibly) who WANT to pay to be dominated and would rather not do it without paying.



Ninebelowzero -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 1:38:02 PM)

Agreed.
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Does the genuine cm population agree with me that some steps should be taken to stop profiles which fit into the above categories being allowed on cm?
No. The genuine CM population is far doesn't give a crap whether some brain-dead guy gets fleeced for being stupid enough to send money to a picture. If it wasn't the "domme" on CM it would be somebody else, the sorts of people who fall for that scam will fall for just about any scam...a fool and his money






Kaliko -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 1:49:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: obsequence

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

After all in my very next post I agreed that some "may" get pleasure. Weather they derive pleasure has no bearing the fact that they get paid. Ergo they should pay to advertise to be listed just like the rest of the advertisers. You have to help me out here... What part of any of my posting was I unclear?

BadOne


I'm mostly unclear on how you've come to the conclusion that someone's interest in financial domination somehow puts their kink into a different category than yours.  Selling material goods and "getting paid" in the course of dominating someone are completely different situations; it is important to realize there men (and women, ostensibly) who WANT to pay to be dominated and would rather not do it without paying.


I'm going to jump in here, if that's okay, because I was reading this and trying to wrap my head around this a bit. I, too, kind of have a not-so-friendly feeling about financial domination, but to be fair, I don't know much about it. So, I was inclined to agree with my friend the Bad One.

But..

Then I recalled a time in my previous relationship when he started proposing the idea of me turning my paycheck over to him (and, theoretically, another woman, but that's over in the cuckquean thread some time ago). It was a "for the future" kind of idea, but something that came up more than once and something that he described to me sometimes in detail. And you know what? I liked the idea of it! Thinking of it and how it would feel to do so really turned me on.

So...I'm not so sure that I've been fairly judging financial domination. I would never consider my former Dominant to have to advertise himself as a business. Perhaps it is different because it was just a subset, sort of, of our D/s, not the basis of our relationship, but who knows? Maybe it could have become a stronger part of us in the future, had we lasted.

Or...maybe I just don't understand it at all, and this doesn't apply in the least. Certainly could be. :)




TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 3:38:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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Does the genuine cm population agree with me that some steps should be taken to stop profiles which fit into the above categories being allowed on cm?
No. The genuine CM population is far doesn't give a crap whether some brain-dead guy gets fleeced for being stupid enough to send money to a picture. If it wasn't the "domme" on CM it would be somebody else, the sorts of people who fall for that scam will fall for just about any scam...a fool and his money




Yeah, this. Honestly anyone who is dumb enough to send a stranger money despite the rather large warning not to deserves what they get.



SailingBum -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 4:46:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: obsequence

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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

After all in my very next post I agreed that some "may" get pleasure. Weather they derive pleasure has no bearing the fact that they get paid. Ergo they should pay to advertise to be listed just like the rest of the advertisers. You have to help me out here... What part of any of my posting was I unclear?

BadOne


I'm mostly unclear on how you've come to the conclusion that someone's interest in financial domination somehow puts their kink into a different category than yours.  Selling material goods and "getting paid" in the course of dominating someone are completely different situations; it is important to realize there are men (and women, ostensibly) who WANT to pay to be dominated and would rather not do it without paying.


Boy have we got our wires crossed... I am not saying that at all...what Im saying is that if you want to "pro whatever" in your profile you should be charge a fee for advertising.

BadOne



MissImmortalPain -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 6:08:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SailingBum


what Im saying is that if you want to "pro whatever" in your profile you should be charge a fee for advertising.

BadOne



So if they don't actually use the word "pro" they don't get charged for the advertising ...right?



TheFireWithinMe -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 6:18:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain


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ORIGINAL: SailingBum


what Im saying is that if you want to "pro whatever" in your profile you should be charge a fee for advertising.

BadOne



So if they don't actually use the word "pro" they don't get charged for the advertising ...right?



I'm guessing his point is that if they don't charge for services rendered - in other words if they are looking for a relationship rather than clients they don't get charged.



Arpig -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 6:22:55 PM)

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I think you missed the point.
No, YOU are missing his point entirely, you are focussing on a single word that has almost nothing to do with his point. Allow me to rephrase for you and the other intellectually challenged readers.....

The pros are using this site to drum up business. This is commonly known as advertising. They do not pay for this advertising. This is what he objects to, that the Pros use the site for free advertising.



kalikshama -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 6:23:03 PM)

Charging a fee sure improved the quality of craigslist job postings.

http://www.webpronews.com/craigslist-lists-new-job-posting-fees-2007-10

Job ads are a cash-cow for Craigslist; the number of job listings in New York and Los Angeles dropped substantially when the fee began, “but the volume quickly rebounded and by 2007 had more than tripled in each city,” the company said.

“After an initial drop-off in ad volume (in Boston, San Diego, Seattle and Washington) similar to that experienced in NYC and LA, the volume of legitimate job ads in these four cities has more than doubled.”

In addition to the job fees, Craigslist charges $10 for brokered apartment listings in New York City. Classified Intelligence believes the site’s job listings perform better, as fees drive out the junk postings.



MissImmortalPain -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 7:20:20 PM)

Actually I'm pretty sure I know what he means. Bad is pretty clear about most of the stuff he says...but.....it's a bit of a silly thought that many others have brought up before. If they charged for using the word pro people would just stop using it. If people weren't allowed to say....look this is what I do for a living but not the reason I'm here...they wouldn't say it either. And in doing so they would end up missleading a few people. If that rather rambling statement isn't clear let me expain. I do pro sessions but they are not why I am here...period. If I have someone msg me and don't make it clear that I do it than later(yes it has happened) I get jumped for not explaining things to some slow person that is all touchy about pros. To say nothing of the fact that almost every lady on here knows how many emails we all get asking for pro sessions when their profiles say they are in it for 24/7.



MissImmortalPain -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 7:23:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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I think you missed the point.
No, YOU are missing his point entirely, you are focussing on a single word that has almost nothing to do with his point. Allow me to rephrase for you and the other intellectually challenged readers.....

The pros are using this site to drum up business. This is commonly known as advertising. They do not pay for this advertising. This is what he objects to, that the Pros use the site for free advertising.



And before someone points out the difference (as if there actually is one) We are all advertising for something. Just because many of us are not seeking money it does not mean they are not advertising.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 8:31:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain


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ORIGINAL: Arpig

quote:

I think you missed the point.
No, YOU are missing his point entirely, you are focussing on a single word that has almost nothing to do with his point. Allow me to rephrase for you and the other intellectually challenged readers.....

The pros are using this site to drum up business. This is commonly known as advertising. They do not pay for this advertising. This is what he objects to, that the Pros use the site for free advertising.



And before someone points out the difference (as if there actually is one) We are all advertising for something. Just because many of us are not seeking money it does not mean they are not advertising.




But for the pros who are advertising, it is a COMMERCIAL endeavor, and that does make a difference.

To think that profiles here are not scanned somehow for anything inappropriate is naive. It may not be a live human, but I'm sure the system scans new profiles and revised profiles for certain key words/phrases. Really not difficult in computer world.

I haven't looked at your profile, but you have mentioned your business on a number of occassions. Never in a form of advertising, anymore than iamsemisweet mentions she is a lawyer hoping to drum up clients.

However, for those whose profiles are based purely on them being a pro and looking for clients, a "pro" check box wouldn't be that hard to establish. If the pros are legit, then paying a nominal fee shouldn't break the bank.

Now I know the age old argument is that the pros would just stop saying they were pros, but that scanning would likely catch that they were if their profile indicated they were looking to drum up business. When the site gets "hits" on those keywords, a human being needs to review it, and that human determines whether or not the content on the whole is appropriate. For example, if "K-9" were to come up, the human reads it and then determines the profile is talking about someone who trains police dogs for a living, no big. Weird example, but the first thing that came up.

Yes, there is "financial domination" as some form of kink, but let's get real here. The majority of women on here who claim to be financial dominas are nothing more than women looking to have someone support them and buy them stuff, they have no interest in kink, just taking some willing fool for a ride.

The respectable pros don't ask for money just to talk with them and see if a session with them is reasonable, and we have a section on the boards for the pros to advertise, even though we had a recent post from someone on the general boards because she posted in that section and didn't get a response.

Everyone talks about how this is a free site. Yes it is free to join, but make no mistake, someone is making serious money off this site or they wouldn't keep it. While the moderators are volunteers, there are, no doubt paid employees. This site is far too large and is too much of a cash cow for the owner to not pay someone to make sure it is done correctly.



HannahLynn -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 8:38:58 PM)

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I'm mostly unclear on how you've come to the conclusion that someone's interest in financial domination somehow puts their kink into a different category than yours.
that, my adorable little bumblefuck, is because you didn't read the terms of service when you signed up

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7.3.12.  You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarme.com, nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;
seems pretty fucking clear, cut and dried one might say. it helps if one pays fucking attention now and then don't it sugar?



xxblushesxx -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 9:23:55 PM)

Are we still allowed to join, Hannah? Can we even ever mention what we do? Because I post on these boards quite a bit, and I've got the gold letters to prove it, but never about that. (and yes, I do mention that I do pro-pso sessions and fin-dom sessions)



HannahLynn -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 9:35:52 PM)

you can join all you want, its just against the tos to use the site to promote your fucking business. follow the rules or not, that's neither here nor there to me, but she did ask why the dollar dommes  are in a different category - and the answer is because collarme fucking put them there.

that isn't my decision, that is site policy, if you dislike it, too fucking bad, i'm sure they'll give you and the other whores a full refund.



xxblushesxx -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 9:39:38 PM)

Well...since you're the one who calls yourself a whore. (retired) I guess you'll be the first in line.

And if we're not allowed to use the site to promote our business, why is there a section for it in the forums? Weird, huh?



HannahLynn -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 9:58:44 PM)

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And if we're not allowed to use the site to promote our business, why is there a section for it in the forums? Weird, huh?
don't ask me, i didn't write the fucking rules. there's a lot of fucked up things that don't make any sense on this site. like full names. can't post them <fuck apparently you can't even post middle names> but there's a place on your forum profile to put your full name and so display it. [sm=dunno.gif]



MissImmortalPain -> RE: Pro/tribute Dommes (11/1/2011 10:04:46 PM)

You know you make a lot of good points(you normally do) but the problem I have is that unless collarme is going to say prodommes can not be a part of site than I don't see what the big issue is. I made a comment awhile back asking if others on the board actually thought they were being helpful when some self obsessed prick came on asking why no one likes him, whats wrong with his profile, how to speak to someone in an email so the person will answer back, etc. I admit I might have a grim view of such things but the way I see it if I'm reading someone's profile and it screams "I'm a prick" at me than I have at least been warned before I wasted my time talking to the person. I see prodomme profiles that say things about piggies and wallets and worms and think the same thing. Well at least whoever/whatever is on the other side of that profile warned the viewer before they spoke to them.

I also have to throw in (as I think someone else did) what about all the married men. Okay, wait never mind them. Never mind the people that are lieing to hide things, or just playing around to jerk off. What about the people that say they are sub when they are just looking to get their knob wet, or to con someone out of rent(looking for room mates my butt) I mean really come on we can't do anything about anyone that lies on the net. And I don't really think it is the job of the folks that own/run the site to play parent for anyone not bright enough to protect themselves from a scammer.

but....

If you are looking for someone to say it would be nice if all the fake , selfish, nasty, rude, liars would get off the net than I'm on your side. Go team honest pervet, yay!




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