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The "so called Palestinian people" - 10/31/2011 7:17:58 PM   
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To Palestinian ears, Republican contenders for the presidency can sound a lot like far-right Israeli politicians when discussing the Middle East. Most oppose concessions by Israel and advocate the expansion of Jewish settlements in the West Bank. But now Herman Cain has managed to outdo even the most hawkish Israelis by referring to residents of the West Bank and Gaza as the “so-called Palestinian people.” The formulation appears to cast doubt on not just the Palestinians’ right to statehood but on their very existence as a nation.

Cain, the frontrunner among GOP candidates, invoked the phrase in an interview over the weekend with Israel Hayom, a mass-circulation Israeli tabloid owned by an American backer of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Asked about President Barack Obama’s Middle East policy, Cain referred to the Palestinian bid for U.N. membership: “I think that the so-called Palestinian people have this urge for unilateral recognition because they see this president as weak.”

He also said Obama’s failure to firmly support Netanyahu “emboldened Israel’s enemies.”
Cain’s remark raises further questions about Cain’s inexperience on foreign policy and his qualifications for the presidency. If elected president he will almost inevitably have to act as peacemaker between Israel and the Palestinians, as have all recent presidents. A businessman and former Washington lobbyist who has never been elected to any office, Cain has made a series of gaffes in debates and interviews on international issues, at one point last month dismissing “Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan” as a small and insignificant state.

Hanan Ashrawi, a Palestinian legislator and former peace negotiator, said she was outraged by Cain’s remark in the Israeli newspaper. “Even the Israelis he’s pandering to know that the Palestinian people exist, so to refer to Palestinians as if we’re a figment of someone’s imagination is more a reflection of his own ignorance,” she said in an interview. “But we’ve become accustomed to such absurd statements during election campaigns.”


http://news.yahoo.com/cains-palestine-blunder-010100592.html


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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 10/31/2011 7:31:36 PM   
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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 10/31/2011 7:41:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Another example that this is not a serious attempt to get nominated....he doesn't even care enough to give the appearance of trying.

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 10/31/2011 7:42:51 PM   
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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 10/31/2011 7:46:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not really,as I have been saying this is a book selling/ paid speakers tour.When you look at it in that light it makes perfect sense.


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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 10/31/2011 10:47:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cain is not a serious candidate, he is just the flavor of the week.   The rest of the candidates mindless embrace of zionism is just par for the course.

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 5:41:49 AM   
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The history of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars.[23] According to legal historian Assaf Likhovski, the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the twentieth century.[23] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.

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The history of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars with some arguing that it can be traced as far back as the 1834 Arab revolt in Palestine while others argue that it didn't emerge until after the Mandate Palestine period.


The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement.
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In his 1997 book, Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness, historian Rashid Khalidi notes that the archaeological strata that denote the history of Palestine – encompassing the Biblical, Roman, Byzantine, Umayyad, Fatimid, Crusader, Ayyubid, Mamluk and Ottoman periods – form part of the identity of the modern-day Palestinian people, as they have come to understand it over the last century.[42] Noting that Palestinian identity has never been an exclusive one, with "Arabism, religion, and local loyalties" playing an important role, Khalidi cautions against the efforts of some Palestinian nationalists to "anachronistically" read back into history a nationalist consciousness that is in fact "relatively modern"

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The historical record continued to reveal an interplay between "Arab" and "Palestinian" identities and nationalism. The idea of a unique Palestinian state separated out from its Arab neighbors was at first rejected by Palestinian representatives. The First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: "We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds."

So, you are one side of a question, and Cain is on the other side.

*shrugs*

You are simply attacking him because you are a liberal, and he's not, therefore any attack that you can use in an attempt to prevent his political rise is fair game to you.

Got it.

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 6:07:07 AM   
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you arent worth it.

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 6:31:32 AM   
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~shrugs

you arent worth it.

Caught again, weren't ja?

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PS.  The US just cut off funding for UNESCO because it accepted the Palestinian's.

 Before the State Department announcement, White House spokesman Jay Carney called UNESCO's decision "premature" and said it undermines the international community's goal of a comprehensive Middle East peace plan. He called it a distraction from the goal of restarting direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.


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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 6:42:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it is not like he shouted, "Death to Palestine!" while the deputy consul general at the Palestinian consulate was speaking.

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/10/31/debate-over-professor-who-shouted-anti-israel-statement

Because that of course, would have been legitimate free speech.

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 7:52:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		 You do realize the area in question was Jewish longggggggg
before there were Arabs.
There never was an independent country,state,whatever
called Palestine it was a region name given to part of
King David's empire. King David was Jewish as were his subjects.

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 7:55:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Your point?  That doesn't change the fact that there were palestinians living there when the modern Jewish state was created.  I can never understand why zionists believe that those people should have been nice about being forcibly and violently removed from their homes.

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You do realize the area in question was Jewish longggggggg
before there were Arabs.
There never was an independent country,state,whatever
called Palestine it was a region name given to part of
King David's empire. King David was Jewish as were his subjects.



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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 7:57:20 AM   
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I can never understand why zionists believe that those people should have been nice about being forcibly and violently removed from their homes.



i don't understand that either, but then again..... American History. =p

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 8:14:14 AM   
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I can never understand why zionists believe that those people should have been nice about being forcibly and violently removed from their homes.



i don't understand that either, but then again..... American History. =p





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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 9:08:35 AM   
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PS.  The US just cut off funding for UNESCO because it accepted the Palestinian's.

 Before the State Department announcement, White House spokesman Jay Carney called UNESCO's decision "premature" and said it undermines the international community's goal of a comprehensive Middle East peace plan. He called it a distraction from the goal of restarting direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians.



Fixed the link.

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 9:24:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		A question Firm : A few posts back you suggested that a poster,who is perceived as liberal( though I myself know of a few issues where she is decidedly conservative in my opinion,2nd amendment for example) is trying to prevent the political rise of a candidate that she disagrees with ideologically speaking.
What is wrong with that?
Has than not been done,from the other side of the aisle,where than candidate Obama was concerned?
Pot....kettle...black

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 10:45:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Exactly.  And in American history, the people it was happening to were not that nice about it either.  Hard to blame them.
Or are you trying to say that since it happened here, it is OK that it is happening again in the Mideast?
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I can never understand why zionists believe that those people should have been nice about being forcibly and violently removed from their homes.



i don't understand that either, but then again..... American History. =p


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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 10:47:27 AM   
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Im not in the least surprised

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 10:49:50 AM   
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Exactly.  And in American history, the people it was happening to were not that nice about it either.  Hard to blame them.
Or are you trying to say that since it happened here, it is OK that it is happening again in the Mideast?
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I can never understand why zionists believe that those people should have been nice about being forcibly and violently removed from their homes.



i don't understand that either, but then again..... American History. =p



not in the least, i'm saying "this is why i think most American Zionists are a-okay with this."  most Americans have grown up believing that these kinds of tactics are okay. it's the way our great, perfect no-fault nation was founded.

i have absolutely no support for Zionism. it's another Manifest Destiny and Screw Anyone Who's In Our Way program, if you ask me.
and what does it get us? an "ally" who we constantly have to defend and finance? growing tension with other countries in the middle east?

it's a nightmare.

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RE: The "so called Palestinian people" - 11/1/2011 11:07:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for clearing that up, Lilly.  I think you are right.  I have actually talked to lots of American zionists who try to make that same argument.  They always end it with "so, are you going to give your house back to the Indians?".  Well, no, but on the other hand, if I was actively stealing someone's land and bulldozing down their house, I wouldn't expect to be loved for it either.  Zionists just can't seem to figure out why Palestinians just won't accept this as their fate.

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