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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Maybe it's because they keep lobbing rockets into Israel... Duh!

Damnit Rob! Don't you know that the Jews are supposed to just walk peacefully into the gas chambers!

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Sorry Firm,he is ignorant...ignorant of the complexities of the situation and the United States position as an honest agent for peace and a proponent of the two state solution.In his pandering for Jewish backing,and his assessment that there is no real downside to throwing the aspiration of the Palestinian people under the bus,he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteenth time.
Ignorant of the fact that to be considered an actual real live candidate for the Republican nomination to the office of President one must do more than mouth pithy little comments aout electrified fences and " so called Palestinian people".. The job he states he is seeking is a serious position and calls for a serious candidate...not one who jokes about frying illegal immigrants are shoots himself in the foot vis a vis how any future Cain administration would be perceived as they tried to broker a peace deal.

Not only is he ignorant he is an embarrassment to the Republican party... and anyone who considers him a viable candidate should be embarrassed for doing so.He's a joke,any party that would nominate him is a joke...and any one who would cast a vote for this joke should be ashamed of himself .

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I don't object to calling them Palestinians which is the historic roman word for the region not anything else.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Sorry Firm,he is ignorant...ignorant of the complexities of the situation and the United States position as an honest agent for peace and a proponent of the two state solution.In his pandering for Jewish backing,and his assessment that there is no real downside to throwing the aspiration of the Palestinian people under the bus,he put his foot in his mouth for the umpteenth time.
Ignorant of the fact that to be considered an actual real live candidate for the Republican nomination to the office of President one must do more than mouth pithy little comments aout electrified fences and " so called Palestinian people".. The job he states he is seeking is a serious position and calls for a serious candidate...not one who jokes about frying illegal immigrants are shoots himself in the foot vis a vis how any future Cain administration would be perceived as they tried to broker a peace deal.

Not only is he ignorant he is an embarrassment to the Republican party... and anyone who considers him a viable candidate should be embarrassed for doing so.He's a joke,any party that would nominate him is a joke...and any one who would cast a vote for this joke should be ashamed of himself .

You mean he isn't a "politician" who says just exactly whatever people want to hear, based on the latest poll?

You mean he seems to be a real person, who gives his honest opinion, and hasn't has his personality coached out of him?

You mean he is someone who doesn't remember every single landmine out there, but doesn't dodge the question?

You mean he is someone who, on reflection, is willing to clarify what he said, and might remember some arcane point after making an off-the-cuff remark?

So ... you'd rather have one of them thar "plastic politicians" that is lying if his mouth is open?

I think that attitude is what got us in the shape we are in today.

No thanks.  I'll take a chance on a real person for a change.

Firm

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Palestinian people

The history of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars.[23] According to legal historian Assaf Likhovski, the prevailing view is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the twentieth century.[23] "Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I.

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The history of a distinct Palestinian national identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars with some arguing that it can be traced as far back as the 1834 Arab revolt in Palestine while others argue that it didn't emerge until after the Mandate Palestine period.


The timing and causes behind the emergence of a distinctively Palestinian national consciousness among the Arabs of Palestine are matters of scholarly disagreement.
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In his 1997 book, Palestinian Identity: The Construction of Modern National Consciousness, historian Rashid Khalidi notes that the archaeological strata that denote the history of Palestine – encompassing the Biblical, Roman, Byzantine, Umayyad, Fatimid, Crusader, Ayyubid, Mamluk and Ottoman periods – form part of the identity of the modern-day Palestinian people, as they have come to understand it over the last century.[42] Noting that Palestinian identity has never been an exclusive one, with "Arabism, religion, and local loyalties" playing an important role, Khalidi cautions against the efforts of some Palestinian nationalists to "anachronistically" read back into history a nationalist consciousness that is in fact "relatively modern"

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The historical record continued to reveal an interplay between "Arab" and "Palestinian" identities and nationalism. The idea of a unique Palestinian state separated out from its Arab neighbors was at first rejected by Palestinian representatives. The First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations (in Jerusalem, February 1919), which met for the purpose of selecting a Palestinian Arab representative for the Paris Peace Conference, adopted the following resolution: "We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographical bonds."

So, you are one side of a question, and Cain is on the other side.

*shrugs*

You are simply attacking him because you are a liberal, and he's not, therefore any attack that you can use in an attempt to prevent his political rise is fair game to you.

Got it.

Firm

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Thanks for clearing that up, Lilly.  I think you are right.  I have actually talked to lots of American zionists who try to make that same argument.  They always end it with "so, are you going to give your house back to the Indians?".  Well, no, but on the other hand, if I was actively stealing someone's land and bulldozing down their house, I wouldn't expect to be loved for it either.  Zionists just can't seem to figure out why Palestinians just won't accept this as their fate.

exactly, and the Natives were labeled as savages and terrorists, too, while no fault was applied to the actions that were CAUSING the Native re-action. it's literally like someone hit the history rewind button; it's just happening on the other side of the world. =p

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And Israel has been blowing up buildings without regard to who gets hurt since 1947.  Fuck them.

http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

How DOES the King David Hotel bombing fit in with your image of poor, "set upon by every side", Israel, Rob?

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I don't object to calling them Palestinians which is the historic roman word for the region not anything else.

I cannot believe anyone on these boards would look these people in the eye and say...

You are a "so-called" Palestinian.  Are they or arent they?



I dont give a rats ass about the politics.

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Oh jesus christ.  So, are you now somehow contending that Palestinians sent Jews to gas chambers?  Hadn't heard that one before.

But I guess Palestinians are supposed to quietly recognize Israel's historical claim, and get the hell off property they have lived on for generations.  I mean, why not?

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Maybe it's because they keep lobbing rockets into Israel... Duh!

Damnit Rob! Don't you know that the Jews are supposed to just walk peacefully into the gas chambers!

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Heres how:

The attack, which initially had the approval of the Haganah (the principal Jewish paramilitary group in Palestine) and was conceived of as a response to Operation Agatha (in which widespread raids, including one on the Jewish Agency, had been carried out),

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Again my next objection.  The King David was being used by the British as military quarters.  I.e. a legitimate target.  Is a bus or a school or a residential neighborhood that has rockets fired at it a military target?

Putting aside that civilians have the same or higher rate of death as military in the last century so maybe anything goes.  If Hamas can shell apartment buildings why can't Israel?

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Oh jesus christ.  So, are you now somehow contending that Palestinians sent Jews to gas chambers?  Hadn't heard that one before.