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Presidential debates - 5/25/2006 7:47:23 PM   
pahunkboy


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Status: offline 		I would like to ask the questions. and/Or- lets grab a grocery clerk, a mom, an electrirican, and a senior citizen. Unscripted, unrehearsed. We the PEOPLE will ask the questions.

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RE: Presidential debates - 5/25/2006 11:09:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would never happen. No candidate has any desire to answer any real questions but rather the bit of fluff they are used to and which is prearanged.

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RE: Presidential debates - 5/25/2006 11:21:37 PM   
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RE: Presidential debates - 5/26/2006 1:29:26 AM   
Kedikat


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Status: offline 		They do have the debates.
With focus groups of the people you mentioned. And they find out exactly what those people want to hear. Not what they need to hear. And they feed it back to us. As a matter of sad fact, a lot of those people don't want to hear the answers to the important questions. Those answers might require them to actually participate in working at guiding their society as citizens. Get informed and such.
The majority seems quite content to go with the flow, till it drowns them.

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RE: Presidential debates - 5/26/2006 4:06:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I would like to ask the questions. and/Or- lets grab a grocery clerk, a mom, an electrirican, and a senior citizen. Unscripted, unrehearsed. We the PEOPLE will ask the questions.

Who is with me?


Until there are two intelligent candidates (oximoron I know) the real questions that need answered will never be asked....sad state of affairs when you see how far we have deviated from what our founding fathers intended

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RE: Presidential debates - 5/26/2006 11:52:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I would like to ask the questions. and/Or- lets grab a grocery clerk, a mom, an electrirican, and a senior citizen. Unscripted, unrehearsed. We the PEOPLE will ask the questions.

Who is with me?
The only real question I would like to see asked, is "Will you do what the people want you to do and forget your own personal agenda"? I have stated before and will stick to the thought, that politicians have forgot that they are public servants, they are supposed to promote the thoughts, wishes and desires of the people in their constituency and put their own feelings aside. If they would do this...then their view is of no consequence, only their character and ability to carry out that task.

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RE: Presidential debates - 5/27/2006 10:49:18 AM   
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politicians have forgot that they are public servants, they are supposed to promote the thoughts, wishes and desires of the people in their constituency
 
I am with you brother!
How do we change that?

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RE: Presidential debates - 5/27/2006 3:02:05 PM   
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RE: Presidential debates - 5/27/2006 5:14:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I would like to ask the questions. and/Or- lets grab a grocery clerk, a mom, an electrirican, and a senior citizen. Unscripted, unrehearsed. We the PEOPLE will ask the questions.

Who is with me?
The only real question I would like to see asked, is "Will you do what the people want you to do and forget your own personal agenda"? I have stated before and will stick to the thought, that politicians have forgot that they are public servants, they are supposed to promote the thoughts, wishes and desires of the people in their constituency and put their own feelings aside. If they would do this...then their view is of no consequence, only their character and ability to carry out that task.


I actually disagree with you on this. We don't live in a "pure" democracy for a reason. Our republican system (no relation to the party) was designed so this wouldn't happen. Mob rule was one of the things we're supposed to avoid. I'm against anything that encourages a flat rule of the majority.

I would say just make them promise to enforce the Constitution, but they all already committ perjury when they take oaths of office to do so.

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RE: Presidential debates - 5/27/2006 7:09:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ArtCatDom


quote:

ORIGINAL: ScooterTrash

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

I would like to ask the questions. and/Or- lets grab a grocery clerk, a mom, an electrirican, and a senior citizen. Unscripted, unrehearsed. We the PEOPLE will ask the questions.

Who is with me?
The only real question I would like to see asked, is "Will you do what the people want you to do and forget your own personal agenda"? I have stated before and will stick to the thought, that politicians have forgot that they are public servants, they are supposed to promote the thoughts, wishes and desires of the people in their constituency and put their own feelings aside. If they would do this...then their view is of no consequence, only their character and ability to carry out that task.


I actually disagree with you on this. We don't live in a "pure" democracy for a reason. Our republican system (no relation to the party) was designed so this wouldn't happen. Mob rule was one of the things we're supposed to avoid. I'm against anything that encourages a flat rule of the majority.

I would say just make them promise to enforce the Constitution, but they all already committ perjury when they take oaths of office to do so.

*meow*

And you certainly have the right to disagree..not a problem, but if this is in fact true, if the wants and needs of the people don't really count, then we have certainly been led astray by the founders of this country. Myself...I will prefer to keep my belief that somewhere in the depths of our society, there still is some remnant to the addage, "of the people, by the people, for the people". Personally I'm not concerned if someone filling the role as a "Representative" of mine has personal thoughts on subject "X", all I care is that he votes in favor of the way the majority feel about it. I guess if that makes me in favor of the mob mentality...I can accept that, but I'll be damned if I accept that it's supposed to be totally out of the people's control. That is the type of thought that provokes revolutions.

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RE: Presidential debates - 5/27/2006 7:35:38 PM   
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And you certainly have the right to disagree..not a problem, but if this is in fact true, if the wants and needs of the people don't really count, then we have certainly been led astray by the founders of this country. Myself...I will prefer to keep my belief that somewhere in the depths of our society, there still is some remnant to the addage, "of the people, by the people, for the people". Personally I'm not concerned if someone filling the role as a "Representative" of mine has personal thoughts on subject "X", all I care is that he votes in favor of the way the majority feel about it. I guess if that makes me in favor of the mob mentality...I can accept that, but I'll be damned if I accept that it's supposed to be totally out of the people's control. That is the type of thought that provokes revolutions.


It is supposed to be out the people's hands for the most part. That's why officials are elected to terms of office that are only to end prematurely if they die or commit some heinous crime. It's the same reason Supreme Court justices are appointed to a lifetime position. It's supposed to insulate decision makers from the changing whims of the populace. We also have the electoral college because of this tendancy to keep the process insulated from whim.

Every single "reform" intended to move our country further from a republic into the realms of democracy has been a poor decision. The vice-president should be the runner-up in the presidential race. It provides some balance to the White House. Senators should be appointed however the States determine, both to protect states' rights and to counterbalance the populist House of Representatives. And so forth.

America has somehow managed to include a bit of both worst worlds from democracy in our lumbering towards it. We have managed to both concentrate power into a propagandist elite and sway around by the whims of the mobs.

If I had my way, the Amendments allowing direct election of Senators and having President and Vice-President run together would be repealed. I would also support proportional voting for the House of Representatives to ensure fair representation of the entire population, not just the emphemeral whims of the majority.

It's not the government should be serve the interests of the people. It's that it should serve the interests of all the people, not just one half the population plus one.

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