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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 1:49:54 AM   
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Well, I'll tell ya somethin', sparky. I don't pay Fed income taxes, and I'm not looking for "something for nothing".

The last tax return before I got divorced, our AGI was $274,000, and I don't begrudge a penny of that tax bill going to poor folks, Veterans, children, the disabled, or the unemployed.


Well, sparkless, I do. I don't mind tax money going to those who have earned it in some other way in their lives, or those who simply cannot physically work to better themselves. But I have a huge issue with tax money being used fir others, such as those who can work, but don't; those who sneak in to this country and use tax-funded programs whil not paying into them; and those who squat out more and more kids knowing full well they can't afford to raise them. In the latter case, it would be better to remove the kids from the home and then force the parents to get jobs (since a common complaint is that they can't work because all their money goes to child care).

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 1:55:17 AM   
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Can you prove it?
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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 3:51:36 AM   
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Well, I'll tell ya somethin', sparky. I don't pay Fed income taxes, and I'm not looking for "something for nothing".

The last tax return before I got divorced, our AGI was $274,000, and I don't begrudge a penny of that tax bill going to poor folks, Veterans, children, the disabled, or the unemployed.


Well, sparkless, I do. I don't mind tax money going to those who have earned it in some other way in their lives, or those who simply cannot physically work to better themselves. But I have a huge issue with tax money being used fir others, such as those who can work, but don't; those who sneak in to this country and use tax-funded programs whil not paying into them; and those who squat out more and more kids knowing full well they can't afford to raise them. In the latter case, it would be better to remove the kids from the home and then force the parents to get jobs (since a common complaint is that they can't work because all their money goes to child care).


oh do tell us specifically which groups & programs you are talking about, some of your descriptions cover multiple areas.

So your only complaint is about illegal immigrants  & the vast majority of "red states" that receive more federal funds than they give in federal taxes?  it's hard to tell just wtf you are talking about when you try to use metaphors instead of stating specific programs given your history of problems with showing an understanding reality.

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 5:16:06 AM   
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Any proof of that part?


You mean other than the fact that they're homeless?

Any proof that they were homeless?
Apparently, not.
The article says that they are "people in the encampment who are not part of the cause, including some people who have criminal backgrounds", and "taking advantage of the movement by sleeping in donated tents and eating donated food". It does not say that those people have no cozy home somewhere (maybe not in NY and they are making cheap tourism?) or money to buy food (but they prefer to eat for free, for example?).

So... your claim that they are homeless people. Can you prove it?



Of course they are not homeless. They just heard about the wonderful sleeping conditions and great food and decided to camp out for a bit


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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 6:52:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		When the media was 1st trying to ignore/besmirch the OWSers,they were running stories of fights,thefts,drug use and sex at the protest areas.

Turns out that in many cities,the homeless there(and there`s a lot of homeless people) were crashing the party with what SOME street people did everyday already,taking advantage of the protest for as much as they could get.

I don`t think it`s a big deal to try to point out that the OWSers are not doing petty crimes,smoking crack and fucking/shitting/pissing in allyways.Actually it`s smart and the right thing to do.



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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 7:28:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Many “Occupy Wall Street” protesters arrested in New York City reside in more luxurious homes than some of their rhetoric might suggest, a Daily Caller investigation has found.

For each of the 984 Occupy Wall Street protesters arrested in New York City between September 18 and October 15, police collected and filed an information sheet recording the arrestee’s name, age, sex, criminal charge, home address and — in most cases — race. The Daily Caller has obtained all of this information from a source in the New York City government.

Among addresses for which information is available, single-family homes listed on those police intake forms have a median value of $305,000 — a far higher number than the $185,400 median value of owner-occupied housing units in the United States.

Some of the homes where “Occupy” arrestees reside, viewed through Google Maps and the Multiple Listing Service real estate database, are the definition of opulence.

Using county assessors and online resources such as Zillow.com, TheDC estimated property values and rents for 87 percent of the homes and 59 percent of the apartments listed in the arrest records.

Even in the nation’s currently depressed housing market, at least 95 of the protesters’ residences are worth approximately $500,000 or more



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/02/nyc-arrest-records-many-occupy-wall-street-protesters-live-in-luxury/#ixzz1cqCvNL9c

some conservative rags information about "the homeless" and the arrest records,
i dunno what they are trying to prove apart from the fact that having a house in new york means you have no right to class yourself as a 99% er for some reason
But I thought it was all "hippies and the homeless and the jobless and the spongers" let alone uneducated uni student layabouts?
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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 11:34:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which may make for effective propaganda to a non-thinking audience, but is a far cry from a comparison to the $ 457,800 median value of a home in the NYC metro area.
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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 11:38:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes it is, and that was my point.... surprised you didnt get that, its a puff peace that actually stands UP for the OWS not puts them down , when you consider the cost of housing in NY they may have housing, it doesnt mean they are rich in NY

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/5/2011 11:40:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since the corporate media failed at painting the OWS as a bunch of left wing hippies, or the welfare receiving deadbeats,  they now must paint them as a bunch of spoiled rich brats.

Not that those US marines and other veterans showing up fit nicely into these categories.

It will be interesting to see what they will next be portrayed as.

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 8:18:15 AM   
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When you say "they" it sounds like you don't consider yourself part of the 99.99%. Are you really the most greedy and corrupt 0.01% of your fellow man?


Actually, in that post "they" are the protesters who assume they represent "the 99%" when in fact, they only represent the "47%" who want something for nothing.

Would you please give us a cite for your 47% figure?


I guess technically I'm in the "53%" who are tired of paying for all the entitlement programs that the "47%" who claim they are the "99%" whine about while benefitting from.

If you were to do a little research before posting you would find that you are part of the "53% who is tired of paying for all the entitlement programs of the 1%, you are just too ignorant to know the difference.



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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 8:23:55 AM   
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But go ahead, keep giving the protestors the dirty hippy dehumanizing rhetoric & raise the likelihood of the Kent State style path.


Might as well. It won't affect me in the slightest, except to give me something to laugh at on the nightly news.



We find it most instructive that you find the image of unarmed dead protestors funny.

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 8:26:38 AM   
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It might help if you were to come to the discussion with some knowledge of the discssion. The ows people are not protesting the demopubs but the 1% who control 95% of the pie.


And this is what makes the story equated so ironic. We have one group protesting the "1%" that's holds "95% of the pie," but the protesters themselves are controlling the resources at their camps and turning away the homeless who they should be welcoming into their ranks.



Why do you feel yourself qualified to speak for ows?
Why do you feel you are qualified to set the goals of ows?

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 8:28:54 AM   
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The article does not say that they are homeless. As I quoted already. I abandon this thread, this is getting stupid.
And I "hide" you, no sense to speak with somebody so disrespectful and childish.


A troll who's also a cowardly pussy. Interesting. Well, at least by "abandoning" this thread and hiding me, I won't have to put up with your trolling.


Why do you feel that callling people names helps to substantiate your arguement?

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 8:32:01 AM   
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How is it that you come to this discussion so ill preared. If you do not know the goals of ows by now when do you think you might acquainte yourself with them?
If this food and shelter was donated to ows then isn't it up to ows to decide how to disburse it? So unless you are part of an ows stearing committee then your opinion on how the donations are parceled out is just that an unsubstantiated ignorant opinion


How about this: when they get one clear-cut message and endgame in ind, I'll know what it is. If they don't know, I can only go by what's in the news. And what's in the news makes the story I quoted terribly ironic.



Perhaps you might try to broaden your sources for news. The aims of ows have been pretty clearly stated.

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 10:00:34 AM   
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Would you please give us a cite for your 47% figure?


I already did in another thread, but since you seem to need it repeated, here you go:

http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/26/news/economy/occupy_wall_street_backlash/index.htm

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If you were to do a little research before posting you would find that you are part of the "53% who is tired of paying for all the entitlement programs of the 1%, you are just too ignorant to know the difference.


Really? I don't know of any "1%'ers" that are on welfare or get food stamps. Try again.

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 10:01:47 AM   
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Perhaps you might try to broaden your sources for news. The aims of ows have been pretty clearly stated.


Nope....no they haven't. You can continue to claim that, but you'd be making false claims.

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 1:40:16 PM   
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Really? I don't know of any "1%'ers" that are on welfare or get food stamps. Try again.


The 1% clearly do not qualify for food stamps or general assisstance.
I am sure you would agree that those are not the only sources of welfare.
1700 sugar farmers in the u.s. get .30 cents a pound tax on every pound of sugar sold in the u.s.
ADM recieves much in the way of the taxpayers remittence to the govt. Bill gates and ted turner make out well also.
Remember all of those houses that hud reposessed and is now offering for sale. You are not allowed to bid, only the ultra rich who can bring 1 billion to the table to bid on the houses that all of us paid for.
Yes there is plenty of welfare for the rich.

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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 1:55:50 PM   
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Remember all of those houses that hud reposessed and is now offering for sale. You are not allowed to bid, only the ultra rich who can bring 1 billion to the table to bid on the houses that all of us paid for.

please post links proving that the 1% are the only ones that can bid on HUD houses.
I have been to the HUD site and most houses are offered first to Owner Occupants (& others later if still on the market) and every bidder has to go thru a HUD approved realtor as well.


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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 2:11:05 PM   
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Perhaps you might try to broaden your sources for news. The aims of ows have been pretty clearly stated.


Nope....no they haven't. You can continue to claim that, but you'd be making false claims.



http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/occupy-wall-street-its-not-a-hippie-thing-10272011.html





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RE: "We're the 99%, but you're not, so go away" - 11/6/2011 2:22:08 PM   
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Remember all of those houses that hud reposessed and is now offering for sale. You are not allowed to bid, only the ultra rich who can bring 1 billion to the table to bid on the houses that all of us paid for.

please post links proving that the 1% are the only ones that can bid on HUD houses.
I have been to the HUD site and most houses are offered first to Owner Occupants (& others later if still on the market) and every bidder has to go thru a HUD approved realtor as well.




http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2011/1021/Six-ways-the-rich-really-do-get-richer/Housing-bargains-but-only-for-the-wealthy-and-uber-wealthy




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