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Sanity -> Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 5:16:47 AM)


But THESE crony capitalists have the OWS seal of approval, so theyre not just alright...

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WH rejects subpoena request for Solyndra docs


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President Obama's attorney sent a letter to Congressional investigators on Friday, saying the White House would not cooperate with a subpoena requesting documents related to its doling out a $535 million loan guarantee to now bankrupt solar panel manufacturer Solyndra.

"I can only conclude that your decision to issue a subpoena, authorized by a party-line vote, was driven more by partisan politics than a legitimate effort to conduct a responsible investigation," Obama's counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler, wrote in a letter to the top Republicans on the House Energy and Commerce committee. (Read Ruemmler's full letter here).

Committee chairman Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich, blasted the White House response:

“We have been reasonable every step of the way in this investigation, and it is a shame that the Obama Administration and House Democrats continue to put up partisan roadblocks to hide the truth from taxpayers. Solyndra was a jobs program gone bad, and we must learn the lessons of Solyndra as we work to turn our economy around and put folks back to work. Our judicious and methodical work over the last eight months has garnered tens of thousands of pages of documents from DOE and OMB that have proven we are on the right track. Now, we need to know the White House’s role in the Solyndra debacle in order to learn the full truth about why taxpayers now find themselves a half billion dollars in the hole. The White House could have avoided the need for subpoena authorizations if they had simply chosen to cooperate. That would have been the route we preferred, and frankly, it would have been better for the White House to get the information out now, rather than continue to drag this out. Our request for documents is reasonable - we are not demanding the President’s blackberry messages as we are respectful of Executive Privilege. What is the West Wing trying to hide? We owe it to American taxpayers to find out.”


Theyre FABULOUS! [;)]




tazzygirl -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 5:45:08 AM)

Where is the article linking OWS to this now defunct company?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 5:46:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Where is the article linking OWS to this now defunct company?

Shush. He's looking for it on that star wars fan site as we speak. Give him time.

ED for typo




Owner59 -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 6:04:10 AM)

Yada yada....yawn....




Sanity -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 6:15:33 AM)


Its the silence thats so deafening, tazzy...  [;)]

And not just about this either. But just keep moving, theres nothing to see here, as they say.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Where is the article linking OWS to this now defunct company?




YSG -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 6:52:09 AM)

More straw men, Sanity?

Just think folks, this is the collective intelligence of the right wing, dumb enough to think you're dumb enough to beleive anything.




Sanity -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 10:13:06 AM)


Youre not seriously so foolish that youre trying to argue, that OWS is in any way at odds with the Obama administration, or vice versa - are you? [:D]





YSG -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 12:00:10 PM)

Actually, they have said themselves that Obama is NOT on their side, so yeah, typical willfully ignorant conservative, dont know anything and dont want to




Sanity -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 2:41:00 PM)


If you are capable of being intellectually honest, you will at some point admit to yourself that the people who are behind OWS will never disavow Barack Obama, no matter what he does. The Obama faithful and the OWS dredges are one and the same...

But simple basic realities like these are too much for you to deal with, arent they




Lucylastic -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 2:46:08 PM)

His "facts" are pretty simple to debunk for most normal people. Few of them have little to do with real world facts, including the support for the president, or the presidents voluminous outward support, .. or the fact that the OWS are all, "violent, lazy, unemployed, and jew haters, killers and rapists "




Sanity -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:09:19 PM)


Too much for most leftists to deal with, apparently




tazzygirl -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:14:21 PM)

So you cant come up with a single source that confirms the OWS is in support of Obama.




njlauren -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:19:32 PM)

The OWS people don't think much of Obama, unlike many of the knee jerk Faux News crowd who have posted in this thread, they think Obama is a sellout. For example, the fact that none of the bankers who cratered the economy that led to the financial collapse have faced any kind of criminal charges (and many of them walked away with huge bonuses paid for by government money, nice, which GOP members of congress defended as 'contractual'..). They think Obama has caved in to Wall Street his whol administration, and they aren't wrong, Geithner, Larry Sumners and others running treasury and the SEC are the same markets are great crowd Clinton had (when, for example, they got rid of Glass Steagal and allowed commercial banks to own investment banks, and use money from the commercial bank to lend to financial firms speculating on things like CDO's...real smart). And unlike other posters on this board, I have been to Zuccotti park and talked to some of the people down there so I am not speaking from what 'the media report'. Yeah, a lot of the OWS kids have their heads up their asses in some ways, many are naive about the realities of power and how it works, but they aren't wrong in that they are giving the message something is wrong, it is. As I write this, the government is busy trying to figure out where 600 million dollars of investors money in MF Global went and a lot of people are asking how MF Global could get away with doing what they did..and this bankruptcy isn't going to help the economy, and what the OWS people are probably saying is Obama because he refused to get tough on the industry (not surprising,given how much Wall Street money he has gotten) is a sellout.

They also aren't wrong about giving the message that wall street is not mainstreet, it isn't. Once upon a time wall street was about capital finance for industries, today with the way trading goes, it is basically a giant get rich quick scheme based on sub milisecond trading (yes, folks, trades happening in less then 1/1000 a second), on crazy algorithmic trading that not only trades multiple markets together, also creates a situation where they can blow apart many markets in an instant. More importantly, more then ever, everything companies do is based on stock price, and that means pleasing wall street analysts, who are a bunch of 25 year old snotnoses from Ivy league business schools who have no concept of the consequences of what they write. Want to know why companies aren't hiring? Why companies doing well send 10,000 more jobs overseas? Cause stock analysts love to see labor costs cut down to the swift, and that causes stock prices to jump..and guess what, 95% of executives compensation these days is predicated on stock options and grants..anyone see the problem with that?




Sanity -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:20:15 PM)


Lets see... a single source. Hmm...

Does anyone here, who rabidly supports the OWS rioters, not also rabidly support Obama? Or disavow Obamas crony capitalism?

Or even write about his crony capitalistic exploits in a negative light?

No?

What a bizarre coincidence.

Dont you think? [:D]

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

So you cant come up with a single source that confirms the OWS is in support of Obama.




Lucylastic -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:24:00 PM)

So basically more wild insinuations and nothing to back it up, oh what a twist!




tazzygirl -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:25:30 PM)

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Does anyone here, who rabidly supports the OWS rioters, not also rabidly support Obama? Or disavow Obamas crony capitalism?


I rabidly support Obama? Oh, I dunno, I have more than once said the man doesnt have a back bone.. so have a few others.

But do keep on with your delusions.




Sanity -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:30:31 PM)


If you really believe that its a wild insinuation to say that leftists support Obama, and that leftists support OWS... I just hope that you are thoroughly enjoying your blissful state of existence

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

So basically more wild insinuations and nothing to back it up, oh what a twist!




Lucylastic -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:34:22 PM)

but you didnt say that...I certainly didnt say that, Tazzy didnt say that
you were asked for sources
as usual youve got nothing but lies and strawmen and obfuscating
simple isnt it.





Sanity -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:43:24 PM)


Quite the opposite dear, you are projecting here

Name the strawman, if you know what a strawman fallacy even looks like

Though you frequently use them I doubt that you do

And the obfuscation is yours, what I write is clear enough, the very best you can hope is to muddy it

The source is before you, I have cited these forums. Though you deny it you know it holds enough water, had you sufficient intellectual honesty you would admit it. Its funny, funny as hell that you try to deny that leftists support both Barack Obama as well as OWS

Funny, funny as hell how you deny reality. Cut off your nose to spite your own face, as it were... [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

but you didnt say that...I certainly didnt say that, Tazzy didnt say that
you were asked for sources
as usual youve got nothing but lies and strawmen and obfuscating
simple isnt it.






Lucylastic -> RE: Crony Capitalists Bunker Down (11/5/2011 3:52:06 PM)

Projecting, yet denying.........I havent denied anything I asked you for sources, Tazzy asked you for sources,you have none
you have zero
you have zilch

Does anyone here, who rabidly supports the OWS rioters, not also rabidly support Obama? Or disavow Obamas crony capitalism?
your words, now back them up with sources, not your blathering over-emotional drama queen bullshit
or are you gonna go with a ad feminem again?




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